14 GuzInto 18…

How often do you get a chance to roll TV trivia into a title of a blog entry? For full credit, list the show, character’s name, and actor’s name that inspired this title. (no search engines allowed). Extra credit to those under 30 that know the answers without cheating.

As promised, we are going to take a look at some options for how an 18-game conference schedule will play out in a 14 team conference. Let’s set the ground rules with a big-picture view of what an 18-game schedule will look like:

– 5 opponents home/away
– 4 opponents at home
– 4 opponents away
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EVEN ROTATION

If you accept the inevitable, you will acknowledge that the days of small conferences with round-robin conference schedules are gone forever. The next best thing would be a conference schedule designed such that over a given period of time, each team would play each opponent the same number of times. For 18 games with 14 teams, State’s rotation would look something like this:

Observations:

– When compared to a round-robin, you lose 8 games against each opponent over the 13 year rotation.

– While there are many ways to design the rotation, this one was designed such that no opponent was played H/A in consecutive years.

– If you want to see if this rotation is legitimate, you can check to see if each row and each column has five “H/A”, four “H”, and four “A”.

– Based on recent history, the conference makeup will change before we get through one complete rotation.

There is some chance (probably low) that this type of rotation will be put into place. However, this table was still worth putting together so that we can make comparisons to whatever rotation is actually put into place.
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PRIMARY PARTNERS

Let’s look at the current ACC rotation to establish a baseline for what we are talking about:

– Two primary partners are played home/away every year (UNC and WF for State)

– The remaining nine opponents are divided into three rotating groups. One group is played H/A; one group is played at home; and the last group is played on the road. So after a three-year rotation, each team would have played each rotating opponent four times (twice at home and twice on the road).

– You can love this rotation or not, but you have to admit that it is a pretty simple system…at least it is simple AFTER you get through the process of assigning primary partners. (Though I have always thought that the ACC did a good job setting up the two primary partners in the 12-team conference.) Since the ACC is only adding two more teams (for now), it is impossible to assign Pitt and ‘Cuse two primary partners without disrupting at least some of the current partnerships.

I don’t know why the number of partners was set at “two” for the 12-team conference, but you have to admit that they certainly made the rotation for the remaining teams easy to figure out. I’m not saying that a simple rotation is a high priority, but if each of the 14 teams was assigned a single, primary partner, you could divide the remaining 12 opponents into three rotating groups like this:

Observations:
– The point of the table is to generically illustrate how the rotation could be put together. The opponents are just listed in semi-alphabetical order to make sure that I got everyone in the schedule somewhere.

– When compared to a round-robin schedule, each team would lose 8 games against each rotating opponent over a 12 year period. (Note that this is not substantially different than what would happen in the 13-year rotation schedule.

You probably caught that I listed WF as State’s primary partner. It’s not that difficult to imagine a primary partner setup like this:
FSU – Miami
GT – Clemson
UNC- Duke
State- WF
UVA – VT
Pitt, Syracuse, UMD, and BC in whatever combination that you would like.

In the forum thread on the 18 game schedule, someone quickly commented that Swofford would never risk losing a UNC/Duke game. I’m not really sure that Swofford really cares that much as long as the TV money stays the same. Put another way, you can be sure that Swofford will do whatever he can to appease ESPN if they call and express an opinion or concern. But in the end, whatever is done has to be approved by the ADs and coaches in the new ACC.

I really have no idea what or how many alliances/enemies we have among the 14 sets of coaches and ADs. But I’m sure that there will be some interesting conversations that we will never know about if the ACC elects to assign primary partners. Since the rotation wasn’t included in the ACC press release, I’m assuming that these types of discussions are currently being held.
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EQUITABLE SCHEDULES

From Swofford’s press release:

The additional conference games create a more equitable schedule and we’ve received significant feedback from our fans for more conference games

We’ve looked at conference strength-of-schedule variations within the ACC several different times since the last expansion. The SOS variability comes from which teams you play once and which ones you play twice. One of the subtle implications of primary partners, is that those teamed with a consistently strong team will have a greater chance of playing one of the tougher conference schedules (and the converse is obviously true as well). So if we assume that Swofford really has any desire to achieve equitable schedules, then the new rotation won’t include more than one primary partner.

Let’s take a quick look at 16 games and 12 teams versus 18 games and 14 teams to see if both changes really produce a more equitable (less variable) schedule:

So the total number of opponents played only once increases as a gross number and as a percentage with the new changes. I’m not a whiz at calculating probablities….but you don’t need much of a calculation to see that this new schedule isn’t going to produce a “more equitble schedule”. In my estimation, you would need a 20 game conference schedule for 14 teams to actually accomplish Swofford’s stated goal. (But don’t hold your breath waiting for another increase in the conference schedule.)
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PARTING THOUGHTS

If something substantially different is selected for the new rotation, then we can always come back to these and look for advantages/disadvantages. So for now, let the whining and wild alternatives begin….
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About VaWolf82

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26 Responses to 14 GuzInto 18…

  1. vtpackfan 12/18/2011 at 2:07 PM #

    I’m taking a break and smoking one, but I think the answer is 1 .29 (rounded to the hundredth). I’m a Liberal Arts major so may not be the best at these type problem solving conventions.

  2. bill-1956 12/18/2011 at 2:29 PM #

    Beverly Hillbillies – Jethro – darn, it’s on the tip of my tongue, but I can’t remember the actor’s name. Wait! Max Beyer? Or something similar? On to the Google.

  3. LRM 12/18/2011 at 2:55 PM #

    Hey Va, put any thought into how they’ll do the ACCT with 14?

  4. State Fan 12/18/2011 at 3:47 PM #

    I’ll give bill-1956 an assist. He’s got the show, the character is Jethro Bodine, and the actor is Max Baer Jr., son of the prize fighter, Max Baer.

  5. VaWolf82 12/18/2011 at 5:16 PM #

    As far as I can see, there are only two ways to do the ACCT:

    a) 2 bottom teams stay home
    b) The first round grows to 6 games with the top 2 getting a first-round bye.

    The problem with option b is logistics. 4 games in one day is about the max for a single arena…which means that the opening round would have to be spread over two days.

  6. Pack78 12/18/2011 at 5:28 PM #

    Left field suggestion, but top two get byes, six first-round games played at home of the higher seed and the remaining eight play down over three days at the ACCT site…tougher travel logistically, but seeds 3-6 get an extra home game, sort of NIT-like.

  7. LRM 12/18/2011 at 5:39 PM #

    I’m pretty sure Swofford said that to get the votes to expand, all teams had to be included in the ACCT.

    So…unless you want something really wacky (like the couple seasons about a decade ago when they eliminated the play-in game and had the 1/9 winner advance to Saturday), then you’ve got to have two games Saturday and four games Friday, which means you’ve got to give some teams byes until Friday and begin the ACCT for the lower seeds on Wednesday, right?

  8. VaWolf82 12/18/2011 at 5:53 PM #

    begin the ACCT for the lower seeds on Wednesday, right?

    That’s what I think.

    Round 1a on Wed (three games)
    Round 1b on Thurs (three games)
    Round 2 on Fri (four games)
    Semi’s on Sat and Finals on Sun

    Once you bite the bullet and break Round 1 across two days, then you can expand to 16 teams without making any other big changes.

  9. treznor 12/18/2011 at 6:37 PM #

    VAWolf82, if you want really weird, take a look at the current Big East tournament bracket with 16 teams (a nice easy power of 2)… 8 teams play in round 1, 4 get a bye to round 2 and 4 get a bye to round 3. Once you toss out ‘normalcy’, you’ll see that the ACC Tourney could be in any number of odd formats 🙂

    If I had to take a wild guess, I’d say that you’re last suggestion is very close to what the final format will look like though.

  10. btownwolfpack 12/18/2011 at 9:26 PM #

    No way we are the primary rival with UNC if there is only one. Ours would be Wake or Maryland. No way are they giving up two Duke-UNC games a year. Here’s hoping that Gott gets two shots at the Heels every year.

  11. 61Packer 12/19/2011 at 12:26 AM #

    They ought to take only the top 8 teams for the ACCT and make it relevant again.

    Ever since expansion to a 9-team ACCT, they’ve not been able to sell tickets. Why do they think a 14 or even a 16-team tourney will sell?

    Nobody went to the Les Robinson Invitational. Now we’ll have 2 DAYS of it with expansion. Whoopee!

  12. VaWolf82 12/19/2011 at 9:21 AM #

    They ought to take only the top 8 teams for the ACCT and make it relevant again

    The 64+ team NCAAT made the ACCT irrelevant, not the number of teams in the ACC.

  13. LRM 12/19/2011 at 9:32 AM #

    They ought to take only the top 8 teams for the ACCT and make it relevant again

    I used to think this, too. But somewhere along the way I realized that ACCT Friday was never watered down by expansion.

  14. waxhaw 12/19/2011 at 10:07 AM #

    ^ Maybe but no one has ever won four games. Partly because those teams aren’t very good and partly because they are worn out.

    At least with the Wednesday (round 1a with 3 games) scenario, some of the teams potentially playing 4 games would get a day of rest.

  15. MISTA WOLF 12/19/2011 at 11:26 AM #

    I think 8 teams would work. With our conference expansion, as solid as the top of the ACC is going to become, 5 or 6 of those teams are going to be a lock fot the dance. The other 2 or 3 teams that might be on the bubble will have to play their way in by beating the top seeds. Be great semis and ACC championship game.

  16. coach13 12/19/2011 at 11:28 AM #

    How about 3-8 host 9-14 on Tuesday and the 8 left from that begin play on Friday? That’s fair, your reward for finishing bottom 6 you have to win one on the road.

  17. MISTA WOLF 12/19/2011 at 11:32 AM #

    I like the way your thinking too VaWolf. Split the 1st round up so that their is 3 games on Wednesday, 3 games on Thursday, 4 on Friday, 2 Saturday and 1 on Sunday. Of course the top 2 seeds would get a bye till Friday but with the strength of the conference a year or two from now I can’t argue that they wouldn’t deserve it.

  18. Codebrown 12/19/2011 at 11:32 AM #

    Unless there is language in the proposal that assures State a spot in the Top 8 every year (regardless of our regular season record), I am completely against the top 8 ACCT idea.

  19. VaWolf82 12/19/2011 at 11:37 AM #

    The ACC has never excluded a team from the ACCT and there is no reason (right now) to think that they will with the 14-team conference.

  20. vtpackfan 12/19/2011 at 12:34 PM #

    Been awhile since I heard Jethros Clampets’ name thrown around. Nothing like a real big bowl of cereal- can’t say that I’ve tried squirrel yet.

  21. MP 12/19/2011 at 1:18 PM #

    The ACC would be best served to play one additional week of regular season games (that would take us to a 20-game ACC schedule) and eliminate the now irrelevant ACCT. That is, best served for the interest of the actual players and relevancy of the games played. But I’m assuming TV money would not allow such a step of common sense.

  22. VaWolf82 12/19/2011 at 1:49 PM #

    But I’m assuming TV money would not allow such a step of common sense.

    Of course not. But there are still reasons to have an ACCT, even if money wasn’t an issue because the ACCT is the last chance for the bubble teams to make the NCAAT. If not for the ACCT, three of Herb’s teams probably wouldn’t have made the cut.

    Of course now that I type it, I’m not sure if that last sentence is an argument for or against the ACCT.

  23. MP 12/19/2011 at 6:04 PM #

    Haha, I know what you mean. In my opinion it’s no longer clear-cut (from a basketball perspective only – money and tradition are the factors that dictate). I have commented in other threads that the ACC as the trendsetter of creating the conference tournament should become the trendsetter in eliminating the tournament because it no longer has the relevance that it once had.

    A bubble team in a large conference needs to win at least 2 tournament games to improve their standing – Just let them try to win those 2 games within an extended regular season. And save everyone the hassle of participating in a prolonged tournament with a low percentage chance of significantly affecting the end result of the regular season. Let the conference champion be determined by regular season results.

  24. VaWolf82 12/19/2011 at 6:50 PM #

    Just let them try to win those 2 games within an extended regular season.

    The problem with this scenario is that there is no guarantee that the two extra regular season games will be against opponents good enough to help get you into the NCAAT. In a conference tournament, you have to run into good teams eventually.

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