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CAULTON TUDOR (N&O)
Miami could become dead ACC weight

At a time when UNC’s football program is in the NCAA’s on-deck circle and various other conference programs have been sanctioned, the potential mushroom cloud in Miami will be as bad for business as imaging.

The whole idea of bringing aboard Miami in 2004 was to add a big-hitter football commodity for TV contractual purposes. After much inspection (supposedly), the ACC pronounced the long-troubled Hurricanes a healthy, rehabilitated program that long would be an asset on and off the field for the conference.

In reality, the football team has been average – 30-26 against so-so league rivals – and anything except can’t-miss TV.

STEVEN WINE – ASSOCIATED PRESS
NCAA calls for reforms as reports of former Hurricanes booster’s claims are revealed

New York Giants safety Antrel Rolle declined to discuss the allegations but said Shapiro is mad about being in prison and directing his emotions at the Hurricanes.

“There is a lot of drama going on, and it’s all caused by one guy, one angry guy,” Rolle said. “Obviously he is on a rampage to cause havoc.”

Miami was once among the best and most intimidating teams in college football, but Shapiro was around the program during a period of only modest success for the Hurricanes, who won their most recent national championship in 2001.

“I’m not upset about the U allegations,” tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. “I’m mad we didn’t win anything while we were cheating.”

AUDIO (ACCSJ)
David Glenn Chats With Charles Robinson, Aug. 17

David Glenn r caught up with Yahoo! Sports investigative reporter Charles Robinson on Glenn’s afternoon radio show to talk about Robinson’s story on alleged NCAA violations at the University of Miami.

Among the topics they discussed: trying to calculate the value of Shapiro’s alleged benefits; Shapiro’s “rock star” lifestyle and why it attracted Miami players; how this case compares to other scandals in NCAA history; Shapiro’s high profile at Miami; whether Miami administrators can use the “I didn’t know” defense; and the depth of Frank Haith’s relationship with Shapiro.

Akula Wolf (BackingthePack.com)
Devin Hester Received $1000 For KO Return Touchdown Against NC State

TIM DAHLBERG, AP Sports Columnist
NCAA has more to deal with than just Miami mess

For that to change, someone has to be in charge of college athletics. And, despite all of Emmert’s tough talk, it’s clear the NCAA isn’t.

The big conferences control the big bowls. Television money dictates who plays where and when and in what conference. Wealthy boosters chase after the most coveted coaches with fistfuls of cash.

And all the NCAA does is slap a few hands once in a while when it has no other choice.

That’s not to say Miami will get off easy once the NCAA finishes its investigation. The Yahoo Sports report is so damaging that the football program could be grounded for years based on it alone. There will surely even be a call for the NCAA’s so-called “death penalty,” which has not been used since the Southern Methodist University football program was decimated by it a quarter-century ago.

If ever a program deserves to be shut down, Miami might be the one, given the range of accusations made by convicted Ponzi con man and Miami booster Nevin Shapiro and told to Yahoo Sports. Based on his tell-all, there wasn’t much that top football players and other athletes at Miami lacked for over the years.

Tim Hall (WRALSportsfan)
NCAA has been on Miami case for five months

Emmert couldn’t answer specifically how long Miami’s situation will take to assess.

“The average case is a six- or seven-month process,” Emmert said. “We’ve had some you’ve seen in the past, even before my tenure, that the USC case took multiple years. But the reality is that most of these cases are resolved within a six- or seven-month period.”

Miami is the latest in a string of major college football programs to present problems to the NCAA. Those problems, according to Emmert, were the largest focus of discussion at last week’s retreat.

Tar Heel Fan (Tarheelfanblog)
Hey This Miami Thing Looks Like It Might Be A Big Deal

Of course, UNC has its own front porch to sweep. Nine major infractions are not child’s play. UNC will have its own serious consequences and nothing that happens at Miami isn’t going to make UNC fans feel better or the school less guilty. Nor should it. However, there is some comfort in knowing that while there were some royal screw-ups in Chapel Hill, there should be an opportunity here. There is a chance for UNC to learn from its mistakes and move past the scandal without(hopefully) debilitating sanctions that cripples the football program.

For Miami there will be no such window.

Pat Forde talks about the death penalty (ESPN):

The extent to which Miami can and will be hammered remains unknown, of course. What is reported by the media does not always translate to what is formally alleged by NCAA enforcement. Then the school has a chance to respond to those allegations, and ultimately the Committee on Infractions must weigh both sides and mete out a punishment.

So we’re a long way from knowing how this will all play out. But the death penalty is applicable for “repeat violators,” and Miami would seem to fit that definition.

UPDATE (1:30PM)

Andrew Sharp (SBNation)
Hurricanes And Hookers And Jet Skis: Miami Football, Stranded On Death Row

6. And The Player Pages! Almost like an aftershock, an hour or two after blowing everyone’s mind with Charles Robinson’s initial report, Yahoo! went out and dropped the player pages, where Shapiro recounts specific transgressions with each player. Like Antrell Rolle, for instance, of whom who Shapiro said, “…he was about as bad as it gets. For starters, I bought him a $7,500 Jacob the Jeweler watch from Buchwald Jewelers in the Seybold Building. I supplied cash, strip joints. …. Probably the most significant violation would be Michael Huyghue financed Antrel to the tune of about $40,000 in cash while he was at the University of Miami.”

There’s also D.J. Williams’ “naughty high school girl” pose on Shapiro’s yacht, Vince Wilfork’s $1,500 washer and dryer, the assistant coach who accepted $200,000 in checks over the years, and of course, Sean Taylor’s $26,000 dog tags. It’s not a strike against those guys, either; if anything, it’s too bad every college football player couldn’t play at Miami.

Statefans (Statefansnation)
Yahoo! exposes The U, Administrative Hypocrisy

If the NCAA truly wants to enact change, then it should hire Yahoo! Sports reporter Charles Robinson. For those not keeping up, Yahoo! — and more precisely, Charles Robinson, and to some extent, Dan Wetzel — has become the lead on about every college football scandal since USC-Reggie Bush. Yahoo! has fully emerged as a relevant player in sports reporting, particularly investigative journalism; more importantly, Yahoo! isn’t trying to balance journalism with multi-million dollar TV deals.

Simply: you really don’t want to see anyone from Yahoo! on your campus. Ever.

Spencer Hall (EDSBS.com)
THE CURIOUS INDEX, 8/17/2011

PLEASE REMEMBER THE IMPORTANT PART. Kellen Winslow crashed a jetski into a boat. Debate the rest of the case: whether we should trust a convicted felon even if he’s got massive documentation, whether Yahoo’s milking an outrage that has long since petered out past cynicism into something even more tired and factual, or whether this is yet another dagger in the heart of the concept of amateur athletics. We dismiss those serious debates for the moment in recognition of this fact: Kellen Winslow, he of the soldiery monologues, he of amateur motorcycle stuntwork, can indeed crash any form of transportation. If there were a gif of this moment, we would display it on a flatscreen television 24 hours a day, 7 days a week with the audio “I’M A SOLDIER!” running under it.

For this visual alone, we owe you, Charles Robinson. Oh, and reform restructuring seriousness blah blah blah.

Spencer Hall (EDSBS.com)
THE CURIOUS INDEX, 8/18/2011

NO THERE WON’T BE A DEATH PENALTY DISCUSSION. Sources at the NCAA—wait, that doesn’t look suspicious enough. [Consults blogger guide to style.] Okay: “sources” at the NCAA have told Pete Thamel that the death penalty hasn’t even been discussed in the Miami case. This may not be of any real surprise: the NCAA moves with the speed of a glacier sprinting uphill, and certainly doesn’t like to comment on specific penalties.

No, they like the unadulterated fun of just dropping the courthouse on those least expecting it, or letting the victim feel the coarse Manila rope fibers of the hangman’s noose itself against their skin before smiling, patting them on the back, and writing a parking citation before sending them on their way. The mercury-poisoned syphilitic judge of the sport that is our Old West, if you will.

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27 Responses to The U Thursday WebRun (UPDATED 1:30PM)

  1. PackerInRussia 08/18/2011 at 8:06 AM #

    “After much inspection (supposedly), the ACC pronounced the long-troubled Hurricanes a healthy, rehabilitated program that long would be an asset on and off the field for the conference.:

    Interesting comment to support those who say The Swoff should get some blame for this.

  2. blpack 08/18/2011 at 8:15 AM #

    UNC-cheat will get set back 5 years for their rule breaking. Miami ten.

  3. eas 08/18/2011 at 8:21 AM #

    Picking up the “U” and BC has been nothing but junk. It’s like they don’t even exist in the conference….

    I understand the TV Market deal with BC but we had Florida with FSU. I just wish we could drop these 2 teams and move on. I also wish Swofford would go elsewhere but I doubt we would ever be so lucky.

    I do miss playing teams twice sometimes but I realize the this is about money.

  4. TOBtime 08/18/2011 at 8:21 AM #

    The interesting thing about the holes is that they will get set back. To what? Mediocrity? They already are….and were before their mess went public. It would be different for them if it was happening to basketball.
    Miami may be looking at a permanent de-emphasis of football. There sure were a lot of smiling high administrative faces in those pictures with Shapiro.

  5. Hungwolf 08/18/2011 at 8:24 AM #

    “one angry guy causing a lot havoc” interesting comment from a former U player. This guy in prison has been ordered to repay millions of dollars. Nothing like selling his story to do that and he seems to be mad at some players for not helping him out. At first he produced no evidence when first asked to do so and now so far I understand he has only produced evidence of only 3 players he helped out. Shannon has already verified he warned his players about the guy and didn’t like the guy. Current head coach stated everything seems to be from over 3 years ago. So once this media frenzy calms down, I am wondering how much real teeth this story is going to have or much trouble the U will really be in on the football side.

  6. howlie 08/18/2011 at 8:27 AM #

    Did Glenn have a program with the Yahoo journalist asking the same questions about Ewelina?

  7. Rochester 08/18/2011 at 8:36 AM #

    Hungwolf, did you read the entire Charles Robinson story? There’s a hell of a lot more proof than just three guys he helped out. Shapiro kept all kinds of receipts, phone records, credit card statements, you name it. He had his lawyers hand it over to Yahoo Sports, and they spent a long time going through it all. Shapiro is undoubtedly a huge scumbag, but there is a lot of truth in the story he’s telling/selling now.

  8. IamGumbyDammit 08/18/2011 at 8:39 AM #

    If even half of what he says is true (and within the past 4 years), this may be a blessing for the Sheep School. Someone else for the NCAA to throw the hammer at so they don’t have to at UNX.

    As for Smokey Glenn, he’s a sniveling bootlicker. I bet he sparkles in the sun light a sissy vampire from Twilight. Not ‘cuz he’s a vampire, but ‘cuz he wears glittery makeup for young girls from the dollar aisle at Target. But I digress…

  9. Mike 08/18/2011 at 9:11 AM #

    I heard a sound bite this AM from Rolle – he said “the truth about this does not matter. What matters is this is an angry man in prison trying to bring down a program” or something to that effect. “The truth does not matter” was what I heard and almost drive off the road in sheer incredulation.

  10. JasonP 08/18/2011 at 9:15 AM #

    Should Miami get the death penalty, would the ACC look at dropping them from the conference?

    How bad would it be viewed if Swoff led a movement to drop Miami while not doing anything of the sort for UNC?

    I could see the attempt to justify the fact that once proven, the Miami allegations spanned across both major men’s sports, while UNC’s golden goose was spared. That could give the league an excuse, but would – and could – they actually do it?

  11. Mike 08/18/2011 at 9:21 AM #

    Here is the irony – and I have no clue or facts to back this up. Supposedly Butch “cleaned up” the program; that is what we hear anyway.

    So this tells me the U was corrupt before Davis arrived. Now the years of Shapiro start in 2002, after Davis left. So you mean to tell me one of the dirtiest programs became sparkling clean for a couple years under Davis? And as soon as Davis left, they became extremely dirty again?

    I know the statute of limitations is 4 years, but there is also a provision that would enable the NCAA to extend further back if there is a habitual pattern. I doubt they will, as they dont need to. There is enough evidence/allegations that tehy dont need to. I just find it very ironic that Davis can now be linked to both programs dirt.

  12. 808WOLF 08/18/2011 at 9:33 AM #

    BREAKING NEWS: SWOFFORD ANNOUNCES NEW LOOK ACC

    Two 7-team Divisions

    Catholics:
    Boston College
    Connecticut
    Duke
    NC State
    Penn State
    Pittsburgh
    Syracuse

    Convicts:
    Ga Tech
    North Carolina
    Maryland
    Virginia
    Virginia Tech
    Wake Forest
    Miami

  13. logarithm 08/18/2011 at 9:42 AM #

    There’s just something about the people in Miami that keeps infecting the football program, regardless of who they hire to clean things up. It’s like trying to keep a wound clean when you’re swimming in polluted water.

    As far as I’m concerned the best thing that came out of conference expansion was to put State on Tom O’brien’s radar.

  14. packhammer 08/18/2011 at 9:52 AM #

    State was long on TOB’s radar. Based on what I have read he’s been around (with George Welch at UVA among other places) and has always appreciated the potential of our program and the great fans. I love the guy and it really feels like he has our program on track for sustainable success. Of course if we get beat 8 times this year because Glennon can’t make decisions under pressure then everybody will be calling for his head! That is college football for you.

    “Make no mistake—I regard these allegations with the utmost of seriousness and understand the concern of so many of you. We will vigorously pursue the truth, wherever that path may lead, and I have insisted upon complete, honest, and transparent cooperation with the NCAA from our staff and students”— Holden Thorp. Oh wait a minute, that was from Donna Shalayla.

  15. ryebread 08/18/2011 at 10:10 AM #

    packhammer: Sorry, but I don’t think NC State was really on TOB’s radar. He said he was extremely surprised/impressed about our facility upgrades when he saw them in person. He was also impressed at our fans. All of this happened as a result of the BC loss when Daniel Evans tossed that miracle into the corner of the end zone. Prior to that, I don’t think TOB really had followed anything that had happened at NC State since he’d left UVA.

    I actually agree with Tudor for once. The best part of ACC expansion was the addition of VT — the team that we were strong armed into taking. I was pro VT and Miami at the time and was never a fan of BC. BC is trending to the bottom in everything, just as I thought they would.

    I doubt we’d kick Miami out. That’d just weaken us further. I do anticipate we may look to Pitt/Rutgers/UConn to see if we could strengthen the conference and bring BC more into the fold. I hate it, but I think raiding the Big East is probably our best bet if the SEC expands.

  16. packhammer 08/18/2011 at 10:27 AM #

    Its Shalala,not Shalayla.

  17. packhammer 08/18/2011 at 10:55 AM #

    ok Ryebread. I’m just glad we have him.

  18. bigjohn 08/18/2011 at 11:02 AM #

    A couple of things really bother me…One is the thought that the NCAA and most (or all) schools need to get football under control. The top of the pyramid at Miami and UNX knew to whom they had given access to their players on a regular basis. This is also the case at every other program that has a lot of illegal stuff going on. Didn’t TOB say that programs know what is going on with their players, if they want to? Don’t accuse or blame everybody, when things get seriously out of control with a few.

    The second thing that bothers me is this distaste for BC. It’s a great place to go to an away game. They are always a quality opponent, and why bitch about it being a pro sports town? If we had the Patriots, Celtics and Red Sox here, we might draw a little less attention.

  19. Wulfpack 08/18/2011 at 11:11 AM #

    There is a ton of evidence this happened.

  20. travelwolf 08/18/2011 at 11:28 AM #

    From the comments of the Miami players, it seems that they aren’t sorry that they “cheated”, but they are sorry that they finally go caught. Miami should get the death penalty for an obvious habitual pattern of cheating that extends into the NFL.

  21. Greywolf 08/18/2011 at 11:46 AM #

    ^
    What bigjohn says

    I’m guilty. I liked Miami joining the ACC. I also wanted ‘Cuse. Don’t know if Pittsburg was availble or not. I do like the sound of old name programs vs. upstarts like Central Florida and others.

    Yeah, we took in Miami but it’s like a marriage. Catch them cheating for 10 years and it’s divorce time. Don’t be surprised if Donna Sha is gone as well. That pic of her accepting the big check with Haith is pretty damning — unless the Miami BOG or whatever they have doesn’t give a squat.

    I don’t like Clemson at all but I think they belong in the ACC and if what I hear about the alliance to not add a team inside their footprint or an in a state such as FL is true, keeping FSU would be OK with me. I’m dreaming but a 16 member conference with a North/South grouping with the 2 VA schools swapping with Wake to give some power balance would suit our needs for some time to come.

    BC
    Conn
    Rutgers
    Syracuse
    Pittsburg
    Maryland
    WV
    Wake Forest

    Virginia
    VT
    Duke
    UNX
    State
    Clemson
    GT
    FSU

    Should we lose FSU, a northern division (the BE Div.)with mostly Big East teams and a southern division (the ACC Div.) with mostly teams from the old ACC would be interesting. The conference championship game would take on some real meaning with bragging rights. And we get the BE conference commissioner. Sorry Sweptford.

    Of course should UNX get what they deserve then it’s back to the drawing board — after the party.

  22. MP 08/18/2011 at 12:29 PM #

    Greywolf, That is a pretty cool looking conference. I’ve been thinking the same thing with all the expansion talk – Looking towards a merger.

    And obviously this alignment would be approved since the only thing that matters to the ACC (two Duke/UNC basketball games per year) would be preserved.

  23. bigjohn 08/18/2011 at 1:50 PM #

    Speaking of preserving Duke and UNC basketball, I think it’s only fair that Duke gets to practice earlier than other ACC teams, play in China and travel with pros in tow (Grant Hill). Hopefully, Coach K won’t lose any recruiting advantage by being out of the country.

  24. 66pack 08/18/2011 at 2:01 PM #

    bet this guy is a sociopath and if so anything he says can be a lie.his lies will cause havoc and that is what he wants.

  25. pack76 08/18/2011 at 2:27 PM #

    I suspect that a lot of the charges by Shapiro are correct but at the same time, he is a convicted felon and in prison for 20 years. He could have a lot a anger and be making charges that are exagerated and simply not true. Who knows but the truth will probably be enough to cause irreparable damage to the Miami football program and the ACC.

    Graywolf, I like your conference breakdown and would agree with an expansion that is done carefully and includes Pitt, Sy., W.Va. and UConn.

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