No ACC Wins Yet in Fall Sports?

General NC State Administration Non-Revenue77

Just looking through the team sports on gopack.com. I noticed four fall team sports (Football, Volleyball, Women’s Soccer, Men’s Soccer). Here are the records so far:

team, overall, acc record
FBall 1-5, 0-2
VBall 3-16, 0-9
W. Soccer 5-6-2, 0-5
M. Soccer 4-5-3, 0-3-1

Someone correct us if this is wrong. Could you imagine if NC State were Nebraska? I thought that all we needed were the facilities? What will learn is the next round of excuses of why we can’t be good – that should, of course, take a decade to fix so just hold off on any accountability before then.

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77 Responses to No ACC Wins Yet in Fall Sports?

  1. Mr O 10/16/2007 at 1:52 PM #

    Pretty sure this is correct. We do have a tie though.

  2. Mike 10/16/2007 at 1:58 PM #

    So what’s the problem? All of you act like we are supposed to win or something. If it were up to me, we would drop the scroes altogether and just play for the fun, the camraderie. Scores, wins, it’s all meaningless and just ends up hurting feelings. WE ARE NC STATE, let’s make a commitment to dropping all scores and just playing the games for the sake of sport. Let’s be a leader to correct the wrongs.

  3. TampaPack 10/16/2007 at 2:11 PM #

    Not to continue to beat a dead horse, but seriously, what is it going to take? TOB gets a pass, and maybe VB (as I believe they recently got a new coach), but aren’t the soccer coaches established? Obviously this type of performance is acceptable to the “management”. What can be done to get through to the powers that be – hold back donations, anything else? I know in a way the donations aren’t feasible with the structure of the tickets, seating, parking, etc. I don’t have an answer, just looking for ideas. This (and historical) levels of performance cannot be happening continuously at similar institutions….

  4. ncsukyle430 10/16/2007 at 2:43 PM #

    Yeah we have a tie so that headline should read “.5 wins in ACC play for fall sports”

  5. RegularExpression 10/16/2007 at 2:47 PM #

    Haven’t you heard? It’s the facilities. Youth soccer stars are used to being pampered and they willl only play in the finest facilities. The coaches of the team, acedemics and academic support, the atmosphere within the team, none of that matters. It’s the facilities. So see, we can’t even hope to compete. Oh and by the way, once we get the new soccer complex at Paul Derr finished the coaches will need 3-4 years to truly reap the rewards of the new facilities.

  6. LRM 10/16/2007 at 2:50 PM #

    Don’t forget, the band needs new uniforms, too.

  7. Rick 10/16/2007 at 2:50 PM #

    And yet Uncle Jed just keeps on bashing the NCSU fans while cashing his WAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too large paycheck.

  8. Trey 10/16/2007 at 3:05 PM #

    Maybe Fowler should fix the glitch in the coachnig contracts that pay a coach even if they continue to lose ACC games. Then he wouldn’t have to fire anyone, the problem would take care of itself.

  9. Mike 10/16/2007 at 3:05 PM #

    Rick, we are the lunatic fringe. We deserve to be bashed.

  10. beowolf 10/16/2007 at 4:10 PM #

    If we were like Nebraska, this would be a regular occurrence at the place next to the Bojangle’s on Western Boulevard:

  11. PackMan97 10/16/2007 at 4:24 PM #

    I’m not one to give into AD bashing, but I’d have to say that this is a pretty damning statistic.

  12. StateFans 10/16/2007 at 4:27 PM #

    You guys need to settle down.

    Next thing you will be demanding is that the AD will need to know how to spell his basketball coach’s name.

  13. #44 17 24 10/16/2007 at 4:31 PM #

    Do Nebraska fans actually REALLY care about soccer or Vball? That being asked, do we as NC State fans, REALLY care about soccer or Vball as well? I’m sure we all hope we succeed in those smaller market sports, but looking at the attendance records, it doesnt look like we care a whole lot, which makes this whole arguement irrelavent to me.

  14. tcthdi-tgsf-twhwtnc 10/16/2007 at 4:35 PM #

    But we graduate players and isn’t that what is important to us all?

    I remembering poking at my cousin, a UGA grad, after Georgia had some disappointing academic numbers a few years ago from football players. He looked at me and said, I can assure you that they are there to win football games not raise the academic ranking for the university. I was thinking what a refreshing attitude.

  15. Astral Rain2 10/16/2007 at 4:52 PM #

    The only reason we have many of those other sports is due to Title IX and the fact to be Div I/ACC you need X number of sports. Therefore, I don’t mind them going cheap on sports that aren’t cared about.

    The point of the athletic department is to raise money for the uni- when it comes down to it, and convert that into scholarships so people can attend schools.

  16. tooyoungtoremember 10/16/2007 at 4:52 PM #

    Refreshing attitude? I’m a grad student at UGA. New graduation rate statistics just came out for SEC sports programs and where does UGA rank? Dead last. Even below universities with red neck incestuous student populations such as Ole Miss and Bama. That’s not so refreshing no matter how many SEC championships we have. And to add fuel to the fire, 3 basketball players were just suspended for multiple games due to poor class attendance. That’s about as refreshing as a luke warm shower with dirty water.

  17. beowolf 10/16/2007 at 4:52 PM #

    UNC and many other major sports schools long ago learned that, through the magic of grade inflation, athletes could win on the field and “excel” in the classroom, too! (Not that I’m endorsing this approach; I’m just pointing out a double standard that the media totally ignore.)

    And UNC learned that if you have big-time pro basketball alumni leave early, they can enroll for years of long, drawn-out summer courses “to finish their degrees” and get (a) even more lavish praise heaped on them and the school for being so wonderful and setting such a good example, and (b) entertain current recruits legally, since the NBA star is officially a “student.”

  18. noah 10/16/2007 at 4:54 PM #

    Eew. Does NC State really want to dip into the sewers of SEC country??

  19. roandaddy 10/16/2007 at 5:01 PM #

    I am pretty good at a few of these sports on Xbox… heck I won the NC one year with all my own recruits.
    I won’t demand the salaries some of these coaches do and could use some extra cash. I bet I can’t do any worse in the ACC.

  20. haze 10/16/2007 at 5:01 PM #

    ^ Yes, you’d think engineers could have solved that “recruiting” optimization problem long ago.

    Then again, I guess we’d need some pro’s that kids would actually recognize first. Amongst our non-AARP’s, that’d include Gugs, Chuckie and Vinnie. Not sure that Jules and Ced really count at this point. God, that’s depressing.

  21. noah 10/16/2007 at 5:01 PM #

    beowolf – IOW, they have an AD who was able to think around the corners of the problems he faced?

    I mean…isn’t that an ADs job? It’s the president’s job (or the chancellor or whatever you call that position) and the BOT’s job to reign the AD back in and say, “Nope. We’re not going that far.”

    But the AD has to be the guy who acts on behalf of all athletes to make sure that they have the academic support (call it whatever you want…grade inflation, crip majors, tutors, WHATEVER) they need, that the coaches know the criteria between which they can recruit, that the kids on scholarship get first dibs at classes and labs to fit them around practice and game times, etc.

    The athletic director is supposed to run a top-notch athletic department. You justify it by pointing out that a good athletic department helps raise money for the rest of the school, it’s probably the #1 way alumni keep in touch with their alma mater, it’s a gathering point, it’s a way to increase visibility…basically, it’s a three-hour commercial for your school on a Saturday afternoon before a captive audience.

    I don’t blame the UNC AD for using every tool in the arsenal. He’d be a fool not to. His job is to make sure Carolina has a strong athletic department.

  22. beowolf 10/16/2007 at 5:38 PM #

    noah, you realize that gist of my complaint, right? I would just like it if our media would stop swooning about UNC athletes “setting a good example” when what they’re really doing is recruiting “around the rules” or what-have-you — I mean good heavens, why else would an athlete earning several million dollars a year give a shit about completing a valueless degree in a worthless major like frigging sociology?

    They treat NC State as if we’re the ones with a disdainful apparatus bringing in athletes below academic par, while in their minds UNC operates a magnificent program that always “keeps them students first, and athletes second.”

    They operate a magnificent program, all right — of media P.R. and managing perceptions in conjunction with a fawning and eager local media already prepared to believe the very best. It’s not just athletes and academics, either; I remember just a couple of years ago Chancellor Moeser announcing that he was going to up the school’s graduation rate to 92 percent. Just so! As if it can be manufactured by administrative fiat — but of course, it can, if pressure is brought to bear on the professors who don’t grade as kindly as others. (This move was, of course, aimed at influencing US News & World Report rankings — and getting nice press, since to the great minds of journalists: Wow, 92 percent, and it’s already higher than most schools’! *swooon*

  23. cpwolfpackfan 10/16/2007 at 5:55 PM #

    does anyone know what time they are opening up the doors friday for basketball????? I know it starts at 9 but don’t know what time I should get there so i can get in

  24. PamlicoPack 10/16/2007 at 6:00 PM #

    I guess we have to decide what we mean by a successful athletics program…Georgia is nationally competitive in a number of nonrevenue sports…as I’ve said on another thread, can anyone tell me anything about the academic or research programs at the likes of Georgia, Nebraska, or Alabama? You hear those names and you think “football”… not “academics”…I certainly don’t want my degree to be degraded by our school turning into a football factory–if that means we are never going to be much better than 8-4 or 9-3, with a trip to the ACC championship every ten or 15 years along with a couple of down years of 5-7 or 6-6, then so be it…I can live with that…

  25. john of sparta 10/16/2007 at 6:03 PM #

    Why We Can’t Be Good?

    it’s just like an old ClemPson joke;
    all ClemPson fans know two things….
    1. what the team should have done, and
    2. why they can’t do that.

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