Football Coaches: Where are they now?

If the balance of the recent posts on SFN are any indication, football seems to be evolving more into the mainstream consciousness right now. This makes the timing perfect for the N&O’s quick assessment of what happened to Chuck Amato and John Bunting’s former football staffs at State and Carolina, respectively. Great stuff here.

I find it particularly interesting to see how the “free market” ultimately shakes out against previous presumptions and some over-zealous posturing by fans regarding coaches’s credentials.

I remember one of the cries of the Mike O’Cain supporters in the mid to late 1990s was that MOC (supposedly) had one of the “best assistant coaching staffs in all of football”…not to mention that Robbie Caldwell was the “the best offensive line coach in America”. I never comprehended how Notre Dame, Alabama, Penn State, USC, UCLA, Florida, FSU, LSU, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan and other traditional powerhouse programs never seemed to understand how awesome these coaches (supposedly) were. Instead, most of these “top” coaches seemed to land at places like Memphis, Western Carolina, Vanderbilt and The Citadel. How does that jibe?

For this year’s examples…is it any surprise to anyone that Marc Trestman is yet to land a job within football? If you need ANY indication of how bad things had gotten for Chuck Amato then you need look no further than Trestman. Not only had Amato’s reputation with assistant coaches become SO TOXIC that he couldn’t land any of this top choices for Offensive Coordinator in 2005…but he had to give Trestman a friggin guaranteed contract to make the leap! One of the only good calls that Trestman made while he was at State.

Additionally:

* It is not surprising that both Dick Portee and Greg Williams have retired from coaching. As much as both of these men have meant to NC State football for longer than any of us care to remember…at some point you have to wonder if we were really getting the best there was to offer

* From the outside, Pat Meyer always seemed to be a “Cult of Chuck” guy. It is looking more that way now since Meyer is yet to land a job. State’s offensive line certainly didn’t improve its play much in the change from Mike Barry to Meyer.

* A lot of people close to the program seemed to be very impressed with Curt Cignetti…and maybe they were on to something. Cignetti ultimately landed a spot on Nick Saban’s new staff at Alabama. A great move by any measure.

* From the outside, perhaps the most surprising (non) development of the old staff is that wide receivers coach, Dwayne Dixon is yet to find a new job. Dixon didn’t seem to struggle with popularity amongst players or with recruiting. IIRC, he was at Florida for a pretty solid stint of time before making the move to the ACC. But, it always seemed a little odd that Dixon ‘chose’ to leave Gainsville, Florida for NC State. Was there more to the situation than we knew?

About StateFans

'StateFansNation' is the shared profile used by any/all of the dozen or so authors that contribute to the blog. You may not always agree with us, but you will have little doubt about where we stand on most issues. Please follow us on Twitter and FaceBook

Chuck Amato General NCS Football

32 Responses to Football Coaches: Where are they now?

  1. RickJ 04/10/2007 at 2:44 PM #

    “not to mention that Reggie Herring was the “the best offensive line coach in America”.

    I’m sure you meant Robby Caldwell.

  2. StateFans 04/10/2007 at 2:46 PM #

    They were both fat and white. Can at least get partial credit?

  3. kool k 04/10/2007 at 2:49 PM #

    “If the balance of the recent posts on SFN are any indication, football seems to be evolving more into the mainstream consciousness right now.”
    IT’S DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL!
    IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE IT, GO READ A BLOG ABOUT INTRAMURALS, BROTHER…GO READ ABOUT INTRAMURALS
    Keep up the great work guys, Saturday is getting closer and closer

  4. choppack1 04/10/2007 at 3:11 PM #

    Cignetti’s new gig is very impressive – but who among us is really surprised. I always thought it was strange that he was never given a shot at the OC role.

  5. sidrules 04/10/2007 at 3:42 PM #

    i know Trestman and the primary reason he has not landed a job in football is his desire (at this point) to keep his family in Raleigh. I also am aware that he has passed on several football jobs, so far, for this reason

    SFN: Thanks for the scoop!

  6. Jimmy V 04/10/2007 at 3:43 PM #

    I had heard from people a few years ago that CA had stormy relationships with the assistant coaches. Amato was a tough guy to work for who made his assistants work long hours. I’m sure working long hours is a normal thing though for many assistant college football coaches.

  7. packbackr04 04/10/2007 at 3:54 PM #

    the reason trestman hasnt gotten a job is beacuse he threw 3 yard out passes on 3rd and 8.

  8. newt 04/10/2007 at 3:54 PM #

    I don’t think one year at NC State is going to ruin Trestman’s impressive overall resume. In spite of what some former head coaches say, seems to me that coaching is a group effort, not one guy.

  9. DRW 04/10/2007 at 4:09 PM #

    Can you please change “Coach X IS yet to find a job, to HAS yet to find a job. Thanks! 🙂

  10. noah 04/10/2007 at 4:19 PM #

    Robbie Caldwell IS a terrific coach. There are plenty of really good coaches who don’t coach at Florida or Ohio State. Caldwell and the rest of the State coaches who landed at Vandy have done extremely well at one of the tougher coaching gigs in the country.

    But if you want message board spin, take a look at our OL. I don’t think it was on this board, but good lord….when Mike Barry was coaching here, all I heard was how awful he was, how he was holding everybody back and all the players hated him and jeez, if only we could get rid of the guy.

    So we did. And the Detroit Lions promptly snapped him up.

    And when Pat Meyer got hired, boy things were really going to change! We weren’t going to be held back anymore! It’s a whole new game! The players are really responding and you’re going to see the difference on the field!

    Yyyyyeah.

  11. choppack1 04/10/2007 at 4:21 PM #

    “I had heard from people a few years ago that CA had stormy relationships with the assistant coaches. Amato was a tough guy to work for who made his assistants work long hours. I’m sure working long hours is a normal thing though for many assistant college football coaches.”

    It was wierd – guys seemed to either love him or hate him. We had a lot of 1 or 2 year guys who weren’t fired and left for better opportunities.

    He had his guys who had been w/ him for a long time who were well-regarded in the business – Stroud, Cignetti and Portee. Portee was probably too old to job hop, but Stroud and Cigs certainly had their opportunities.

    I heard that there was a lot of drama between the coaches. However, to be honest, I think that’s just stuff that happens w/ a losing team.

    One thing I do know is that TOB appears to create a much more stable and predictible work environment. This allows the coaches to have a semblance of a life.

    By the way – where is coach stroud?

  12. noah 04/10/2007 at 4:21 PM #

    BTW, the big losses for Amato were Demo, the guy who left to coach for the Jets (and then Utah State) and of course, Norm Chow.

  13. noah 04/10/2007 at 4:22 PM #

    Todd Stroud is coaching for Cardinal Gibbons this year.

  14. GAWolf 04/10/2007 at 4:26 PM #

    From talking to a personal friend of Stroud’s, I think Stroud’s primary focus when seeking a new job was staying in Raleigh.

  15. highonlowe 04/10/2007 at 4:29 PM #

    yes, and I’m not the governor of New York because I want to keep my family in Charlotte.

  16. highonlowe 04/10/2007 at 4:30 PM #

    ^ my comment is in regards to Trestman

  17. sidrules 04/10/2007 at 4:39 PM #

    High…I’m not concerned if you believe it or not, but it is accurate information

  18. choppack1 04/10/2007 at 4:44 PM #

    Noah – You’re talking about Canales. Last I heard he went to Zona after the Jets stint.

    I was actually lucky enough to meet him in 2001 in the airport on the way to Jax the week that we beat FSU. Came across as a good guy.

  19. McPete 04/10/2007 at 4:53 PM #

    Doesn’t happenstance factor in when discussing a fired coaching staff that just happened a few months ago? i mean, there are only so many good jobs in the country, and few of them had openings. why don’t we wait a couple of years until we make any definitive statements.

  20. noah 04/10/2007 at 5:58 PM #

    Dan Canales…yes, excellent coach. Can’t blame him for leaving, but had he stayed here, he would have taken over as OC eventually.

  21. graywolf 04/10/2007 at 7:28 PM #

    I saw Coach Portee 4 weeks ago and he told me he was not retired but still looking for a job.

  22. choppack1 04/10/2007 at 10:23 PM #

    Noah – I can’t remember if he left before or after Marty left the OC position…I do recall thinking though that maybe he should have gotten more consideration.

  23. Par Shooter 04/11/2007 at 9:05 AM #

    Mike Canales is an excellent coach and I think that his departure was a huge blow to the program. He was hired to replace Chow and was the QB coach even while Marty was OC. What is ironic to me is that Chuck seemed very adept at assembling his initial staff and the hiring of Canales after Chow left was a great move. It was pretty commonly known that Chow would not be here for too many years and I think that the chance to be OC after Chow was part of what enabled us to lure Marty from a good gig at Marshall. Likewise, when Chow left and Marty stepped up, part of the deal in hiring Canales was that he would have the OC job when Marty left. Marty’s rep has always been as a job-jumper so Canales didn’t figure to have to wait too long.

    In Chow and Marty, he had 2 quality coaches who would most likely be leaving for other gigs after a couple of years but Chuck turned this into a positive. And he planned for their departure such that each new OC would have already been here with the players and the system. Canales would have been a terrific OC had he followed Marty. When he and Marty left in the same year (both for the NFL), we were stuck. We brought in Mazzone cold and then replaced him with Trestman cold 2 years later and never recovered. If we could have had Canales for Rivers’ last season and to manage the transition to Jay (whom he’d known since he was a kid) I think things would have turned out much differently. What is really sad is that I think Canales would also have had a much better career than 1 yr as a WR coach w/ the Jets and then OC at Arizona.

  24. partialqualifier 04/11/2007 at 9:07 AM #

    HighonLowe…..great comment!

    I was thinking the same thing! I mean who is gonna say…”yea I really wanna coach but no friggen body is returning my calls!” LOL!

  25. noah 04/11/2007 at 11:03 AM #

    I liked Marty Galbraith too. I was never as big a Reggie Herring fan as some people were. Has he repeated his success with Arkansas?

Leave a Reply