Herb Probably Got this Guy Fired

Poor Ben Braun. There may be one coach in all of college basketball whose personality is less vibrant than Braun’s; but that one coach may the one who ultimately gets the California Head Coach fired.

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Check out this link that discusses Cal’s 41-42 loss this weekend to (previously) 1-14 Arizona State. You read that correctly. 41-42. In a college basketball game. In a major conference, In 2007. With the shot clock. And three point line.

After losing to Arizona State 42-41 Saturday, Cal is the No. 8 seed in the Pac-10 Tournament and will likely need to win three games just to make the NIT. Those mere 41 points, yep, lowest output since 1988. Hell, the football team put up more than that on multiple occasions.

The Bears have lost 10 of 12 and that man pictured? Yeah, Ben Braun’s chair might be getting warm. He has one of the longer tenures in the Pac-10, but he really hasn’t done much at Cal, and while injuries have decimated the Bears this year, to lose to Arizona State at home?! Friggin’ Arizona State?!

In fact, the ‘big’ ASU win moved the Sun Devils out of the cellar of one guy’s power ratings.

If you remember, Herb Sendek’s NC State Wolfpack eliminated the Cal Bears from the first round of last year’s NCAA Tournament. For some fun, you can review the entry from last year’s NC State win.

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128 Responses to Herb Probably Got this Guy Fired

  1. Mr O 03/05/2007 at 11:26 PM #

    Wasn’t it also Cal that eliminated us in Herb’s 2nd trip?

    SFN: YES. OT. First round. Scooter missed a shot at the buzzer.

  2. jwrenn29 03/05/2007 at 11:47 PM #

    You know, I’ve tried to have nothing but good will for Herb, but it’s not working. I really do want him to fail. I don’t know why, but I think it’s to prove all the media repeaters (not reporters) wrong.

    Sorry, Herb. I tried. I really did.

  3. Wufpacker 03/06/2007 at 3:33 AM #

    “9. Arizona State – Not at the bottom anymore. Two wins feels like 10 for Herb Sendek. ”

    Perhaps that explains it…2 wins, 10 wins, whats the difference!?!?

  4. Lock 03/06/2007 at 7:07 AM #

    ^^Yes, let’s root for the failure of a man who brought us to 5 NCAA tourneys in a row, to the ACC championship game more times than Jimmy V (God rest his soul) (and yes, I realize Valvano actually WON more, just hear me out). Let’s root for the failure of someone who tried to do his job in one of the most hostile areas in the country.

    Okay, I can understand saying ‘he didn’t get us far enough.’ That’s fair. But to wish him ILL after the fact that he DID bring us back from the depths that we were at when he arrived? That’s cruel.

    He was a part of Wolfpack family. You can say he deserted, but we all know he was run out. But the fact remains he WAS family, and we have no reason to wish him anything but the best.

  5. legacyman 03/06/2007 at 7:17 AM #

    The former guy left us in just as bad of a shape as he inherited. Sidney is busting his can to keep five guys healthy and on the floor. The former guy had five decent years and five crappy years so don’t distort the facts. The curse is gone so let’s move on…we have a very good coach now who gets it.

  6. StateFans 03/06/2007 at 7:20 AM #

    Be VERY careful on this thread.

  7. Wulfpack 03/06/2007 at 7:24 AM #

    “Okay, I can understand saying ‘he didn’t get us far enough.’ That’s fair. But to wish him ILL after the fact that he DID bring us back from the depths that we were at when he arrived? That’s cruel.”

    I completely agree. Give ASU some time, they’ll be very good with Herb.

  8. Rochester 03/06/2007 at 8:10 AM #

    If you’re interested in coaches with NC State ties, Dereck Whittenburg’s Fordham Rams play tomorrow at 2:30 in the Atlantic-10 tourney. They finished 10-6 in conference this season, a new school record for conference wins. His roster is full of solid juniors, so they should be even better next year.

  9. Sw0rdf1sh 03/06/2007 at 8:32 AM #

    I’m with you a little bit Lock.

    As boring as the princeton style was to me, I did like seeing our boys shoot the lights out occasionally…..and I can admit I wasn’t thrilled with him leaving.

    However, as most things in the universe, loss gave way to something greater gained, and Sid is leading us to the future.

    I’m actually a pretty decent ASU fan, most of that stemming from Pat Tillman, so I’m going to pull for Herb some. Plus, have you ever been to ASU? Besides all the hot little college girls walking around, it’s going to be one HELL of a place to try and get a basketball following. That is a football school all the way.

    Maybe that lack of fanaticism is just what Herb needed for a couple of years to get his “game” back on track?

  10. thirdworld333 03/06/2007 at 8:34 AM #

    Remember when this guy was billed as a Rick Pitino protege’?

    Maybe the folks in the desert will get lucky and get that coach.

  11. Pack84 03/06/2007 at 9:05 AM #

    ASU will be ‘very good’ if they aspire only to mediocrity. I’m sure Herb can take them there.

  12. Astral Rain 03/06/2007 at 9:06 AM #

    My psychic ball sees in 2009 This NCAA tourney matchup 1st round

    5 NC State
    12 Arizona State

    That would scare me a bit due to the 5-12 factor, but it would be the most watched 5-12 in a long time, and I think even Herb might show emotion.

    Actually, I don’t mind if Herbie gets success there- Arizona St is a program that could use Herb’s level of success. That said, what’s good for them isn’t good here in Raleigh. Also the PAC-10 has more crap teams, so he should be able to scarf enough wins to get into the tourney regularly by year 3 or 4…

  13. Mike 03/06/2007 at 9:08 AM #

    Swordfish, you enjoyed seeing our guys shoot the lights out every now and then? We have shot lights out every now and again this year. Creating a game plan where you must have a “lights-out” shooting night is not a plan to rely on. I was so sick and tired of seeing the 42-41 games. I was sick and tired of seeing the long stretches of time with no points.

    Look at the ASU scoring – it is the same thing. They go periods of 7-8 minutes wiht no points, check the patterns.

    I might be the oddball, but I would much prefer to go 9-3 in football with a bunch of nice kids, rather than trying to 12-0 with a bunch of thugs and criminals. I would also rather watch fun, competitve basketball, with a team that scores in the 70’s-80’s than a team that scores 40’s-50’s. I would not want to follow a team that has its best chance of winning if the score is in the 40’s-50’s.

  14. highonlowe 03/06/2007 at 9:13 AM #

    Wow, 41-42. The Herbivores must have been on the edge of their seats… or at least put their nachos down and sat up a little bit.

    Good luck to Sendek, and in the same breath, I’m glad I will never watch another Sendek-coached team play basketball. (Unless we play ASU in a 2/15-5/12 NCAAT first round matchup)

  15. CedarGroveWolf 03/06/2007 at 9:29 AM #

    “let’s root for the failure of a man who brought us to 5 NCAA tourneys in a row, to the ACC championship game more times than Jimmy V (God rest his soul) (and yes, I realize Valvano actually WON more, just hear me out). Let’s root for the failure of someone who tried to do his job in one of the most hostile areas in the country.

    Okay, I can understand saying ‘he didn’t get us far enough.’ That’s fair. But to wish him ILL after the fact that he DID bring us back from the depths that we were at when he arrived? That’s cruel.

    He was a part of Wolfpack family. You can say he deserted, but we all know he was run out. But the fact remains he WAS family, and we have no reason to wish him anything but the best.”

    Agreed!

  16. CedarGroveWolf 03/06/2007 at 9:35 AM #

    “The former guy left us in just as bad of a shape as he inherited.”

    I disagree. Herb came in after 5 straigt years of no post-season, the ACC tourney play-in game named after our coach, & little talent. Sid has a great foundation to build on & a very talented roster to add to. Big time recruits now are interested in NCSU, Herb brought that back & that is what it takes to win championships.

  17. CedarGroveWolf 03/06/2007 at 9:37 AM #

    “Creating a game plan where you must have a “lights-out” shooting night is not a plan to rely on.”

    we have that this year. Both Herb & Sid are in their 1st seasons at their new schools. Let’s give them time before picking them apart.

  18. Running Wolf 03/06/2007 at 9:40 AM #

    All I can say about Herb is…”Spilled Milk…” it is in the past. If he has a poor first year then it will be explained as a rebuilding year. If you love Herb then great go to the ASU site and have a blast or if you are like me who doesn’t really care to burn any brain cells on Herb then let’s continue to support Coach Lowe. I was at the State & UNX game when we beat them and I was more pumped and happy than any time I can remember in the past 5+ years and Sidney is in a rebuilding phase. Go Pack!

  19. Dan 03/06/2007 at 9:52 AM #

    Everyone needs to stop exaggerating the positves and the negatives of the Herb era just to win arguments.

    His record is what it was. It wasnt horrible. It was not outstanding.

    It was a step up from his predecessor. It was great being able to watch the Wolfpack in the NCAAT.

    It got old watching them receive low seeds every year, and underachieve when they got the one high seed.

    The guy was not going to be Rick Pitino at NC State. In my mind, he’s like a poor man’s Dave Odom of the Wake Forest years. (ok, that last part was a bit of a joke)

  20. ChemE79a 03/06/2007 at 10:00 AM #

    I have no ill will towards Sendek. It was time for a change to be made and he made the change. But to say he left the program in the same shape he found it is just indisputably wrong. We are coming off of five years of NCAA apperances; we could not even make the NIT under Les. Don’t try and tell me that was not at least some factor in Sidney’s recruiting success so far. Also, while the quantity of talent on Sendek’s first team here may have been comparable to the quantity of talent on Lowe’s first team, is there any doubt that this year’s team had a greater quality of talent? Or which team would win if thery were to play (regardless of who the coach is)?

  21. redfred2 03/06/2007 at 10:15 AM #

    “Big time recruits now are interested in NCSU, Herb brought that back & that is what it takes to win championships.”

    You are absolutely off your rocker. First there’s NC State, the innate draw of the ACC, then our rich tradition and history have always right there to draw from. All of those positives that were BUILT INto the formula long before ” ” ever arrived on the scene have just been wasted and damaged because they weren’t ever revisited during his tenure. NC State is just right now, THIS SEASON, beginning to recapture some of what the former coach had shunned and forsaken.

  22. StateFans 03/06/2007 at 10:24 AM #

    Yes! There truly are people out there who are so demented that they think that good players are interested in NC State (again) BECAUSE of Herb Sendek. No kidding. They exist.

  23. RickJ 03/06/2007 at 10:25 AM #

    Sendek also left us with a group of great kids. In the last two years, the team has posted a perfect 1,000 APR (Academic Progress Rate) score.

    Does this year represent the best year in college basketball for the Princeton offense? Georgetown won the Big East regular season – I think this is the first time the offense has won a championship in a BCS conference. West Virginia had an incredible year after losing 5 starters, Vanderbilt had a terrific year in the SEC and Air Force is sitting with an RPI of 25. Interestingly, Sendek choose to not use the Princeton offense this year. Does anybody know if this is a permanent decision or if he just doesn’t have the right type of players this year to run the offense?

  24. tractor57 03/06/2007 at 10:27 AM #

    Sendek did some good things at State – just not enough. Maybe it was him or maybe it was the administration but I think it is way over the top to say he left the program as bad as he found it when he came here.
    I don’t actively pull for or against ASU (didn’t before Sendek either) but I don’t wish him or that program any ill (except if/when they play State).
    I think both State and ASU improved their lot and maybe with a new start Sendeck can right his ship (and no one isn’t enough to tell if he or Lowe will be successful at their current posts).

  25. Mr O 03/06/2007 at 10:34 AM #

    Statefans: I don’t know where to post this, but I think the DBR has lost all sense of reality. I would put this in the Duke/UNC entry, but wanted to make sure this got read(what better place than an entry about HS?)

    http://www.dukebasketballreport.com/articles/?p=22076

    ” If you’ll recall, Laettner walked over Timberlake and basically tapped his foot on the guy’s stomach, which earned him a technical. Timberlake was so injured he laughed and clapped his hand. His team benefited and he knew it and was pretty happy about it.It wasn’t much of stomp, ”

    Unfortunately, no video. It wasn’t a tap. Unbelievable that the DBR is describing the stomp as a tap on the chest.

    “Much like the coldcocking of Luol Deng a couple of years ago, it’s been forgotten. For all the talk about Duke getting breaks, there are a number of occasions when things didn’t work quite that way.”

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=kQGYjHZQBAk

    Does this guy really believe this play is anywhere close to what happened on Sunday?

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