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Laughing @ grey. Sorry, the “woe is me” attitude is getting to me. I see things as better days are just ahead. If TOB had stayed just one more year IMO there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth. The sad state of affairs that was Wolfpack football was more bleak than many think. The other side of that coin to me is that we got as good a coach as we could have found. Someone willing to take on the challenge. My bet is DD was really worried when he found out just how dire our talent level was when he got here.
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Ummm, sorry, but TOB had at best a mediocre performance with two NFL starting QBs and some decent defensive players. With Pete Thomas (4 TDs 9 Ints) Ain’t no way we would have had a win last year, and JB would NOT have transferred to State and just who in heck do you think would be playing QB this year? TOB wouldn’t even have 4 wins this year. I’ll pose that he wouldn’t have 4 wins in the two years. Nope, ain’t no way I’m buying that load of …
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Rick, tell me what you think our record would be right now had TOB been allowed two more years. It’s a pretty good idea that we’d be 1-7 or 0 – 8 even, and 0 – 12 with NO chance of winning 2 out of 4 the rest of the way out. Next question, how many times has State gone to the Orange bowl or any tier 1 bowls for that matter? DD’s team did it two years ago. lot’s of people said he did it with a team put together by someone else. Maybe, but he was part of that recruiting, AND HE took them to that bowl. He was the head coach even though he did not coach that game. Say what you want but I do NOT believe he deserves the blasting he’s getting. He’s in a high stakes game with very few chips. When he get’s the chips I think we’ll see a tier 1 bowl.
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Just stating the facts in terms of performance from my viewpoint. It was more of a position of saying “hey back off a bit” in terms of running down DD. Take from it whatever you want.
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This isn’t Pee Wee football in the Faison Church League.
Classic line Grey. Part and parcel to the blogs is there are TONS of Monday morning QBs. Most of us (me included) don’t have a freaking clue what is actually occurring when we sit in the stands or worse sitting at home on the sofa listening to the talking heads who think they have a clue when 95% of the time they are just talking to hear themselves talk.
I’ve played football on a championship team in high school, I’ve done play by play for high schools for over 8 years when I was in radio. Considering that experience there were more times then I’d like to imagine when I didn’t have a freaking clue. One of the coaches along my path had been on my butt about people telling him things I’d said on the radio about situations in game. He wound up having someone record one of their games and then invited me over for dinner to as he put it “have a friendly discussion” about the game coverage. It was anything but friendly. But I learned a heck of a lot. Then he offered me something that I jumped at. For the home games he had another headset installed in the radio press box. We had a kid on the headphones listening to what they were saying and it was incredible. Our only thing was we could not say BEFORE hand what was going to be done. Needless to say I loved knowing what was coming, it made my play by play SO much better (imagine that?). the biggest thing I learned from that experience was coaches are making tons of decisions in 10 – 15 seconds. Imagine you in your job doing that. Very few have that kind of pressure on them. I know I don’t and there are times when an hour or a day is not enough.Smarter than the average bear
rye, I understand the BC game being a tough loss. The bigger problem with that game was it came after two tough losses AND BC was not as weak as they were on paper at the start of the season. They played Clemson tough and beat USC. They have a very good defense and a strong running game.
foose, with everything going on in this thread I half expected much more than two one line replies. LOL.
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I cannot believe folks are saying it could be argued that Gott has underperformed in an effort to defend Dave Doer-matt? It’s just incomprehensible on so many levels.
It was a push towards REALISTIC expectations. The incessant bashing that was being leveled at football wasn’t warranted IMO. I just stated facts that Gott had been dealt much more talent and had achieved less. Did he do better than Lowe? Of course, BUT, considering the talent we had come in no one can dispute that the outcomes for the past two years have been less than stellar considering what he had to work with. Face it, finishing at 500 in the league last year was NOT living up to the expectations of most. Having said that I was just trying to point out how UNREALISTIC I felt the expectations of some were becoming with this football team at this point in time. As to the question about how many freshmen or RS freshmen we played yesterday, it was ALOT! My tip of the hat to Moore, that kid was a monster on defense yesterday. I feel great about how good that kid is going to be.
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NC State hasn’t won an ACC title since 1979 and has had only six winning league seasons since 1990 (that’s 24 years for the folks in Faison). Yeah, we have lots to compare him to. Lots of winners there. Chuck’s best season and he was 5 – 3 in the league. TOB never came close even with 2 NFL starting QBs. And we have maybe a couple of guys in the senior classes that may play on Sunday. Even at this point in time I’d take Doeren over both of them. Over Chuck cause nobody wanted to work or play for him, and TOB because he didn’t work hard enough (Recruiting IS one of your 3 main responsibilities). Say what you want but to me DD is an upgrade.
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Gott had a lot more to work with, 4 top notch players and at the time one of the best recruiting classes in the league. There are those who could say he has underachieved in light of the talent he has had.
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I’m not sure why some seem to think the same rules don’t apply to Doeren as applied to every other coach in the country.
Because his mountain to climb is tons higher than most coaches. Did you really expect to win any of the last 4 games? Most who were discussing our schedule at the beginning never even considered us to be 4 – 4 at this point. IMO we have exceeded expectations.
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I understand sports. Played on a state championship team. Understand all too well what it’s like to be 0-12 too with watching my nephew and what he went through having to go to a new school instead of one that consistently won conference championships and a couple of state championships. You think you got it tough sitting on the sidelines watching them lose? Try putting on that uniform or walk the sidelines when NO ONE expects you to win. It is brutal. Practices and film study where you watch yourself lose when the reason you play is to win. Hell yes, cut them some slack. Unless you’ve been there OR better still, ARE there then back off. The expectations for this team was at best 6 – 6. Last I checked we do have a chance to get there.
Thank you CD for some shedding some light on what they have gone through. Yep, brutal is a very good definition.
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Mistakes are made on the field and/or court everyday. By players, coaches and the refs. My perspective is this staff should be given some time to make things work. I saw tons of improvement on defense today. Were there some lapses, yes. Did the offense sputter a couple of times, yes. Could the coaches done some things better, yes. This team just played 4 pretty darned good teams in a row and except for clempson played them all tight. Instead of picking them apart on EVERY DAMNED mistake, whether large or small (and there has been bashing for even the really small mistakes), I still maintain we need to be more pleased with where they have come since last year than the endless bashing. I just get tired of it, most of it IMO is not warranted at this point. I guess if Gott doesn’t make at least the championship game in the ACC and the final 4 he should be fired. I mean he’s had 3 years right? If we don’t play for the NC this year then all is lost!!!! That’s why I say cut them some slack! 51 freshmen and RS freshmen. Ever seen a team starting up on a new high school? The first two years are BRUTAL. You get killed every time you go out. My nephew played on one of those. By the time he was a senior they played for the state championship, the next year they won it.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. VERY FEW thought this team would win more than 6 games this year. We still have a valid chance to do that. Lots picked 5 – 7 in the poll. I’d love to be able to see those that picked the low games won vs. those that are doing the bashing. My bet is there is a high coincidence there. If the team has a chance to meet those expectations then why do you fuss?Smarter than the average bear
Whenever you use a timeout because the wrong personnel is on the field, and especially out of a timeout, it’s absolutely a coaching issue.
Kids are kids sometimes. I think that person not being on the field was a focus issue on the player and not the coaching staff. Could be wrong but one thing I’m REALLY getting tired of is the constant nasty negative attitude towards a staff that was left NOTHING to work with by TOB, and yet you expect them to win EVERY game in their second year!!! Here’s my take, If you’re so damned smart why aren’t you on the sidelines????? Cut ’em some slack, that team played their heart out today, they were playing the #1 defense in the nation and did pretty darned well, the offense scored more points than Clempson did last week, and for the most part the defense played them just as well as Clempson’s defense did. I’d say that was tons more progress than I expected this week. I thought we could have gone to lou and got blown off the field but that didn’t happen.
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Well I for one and damned proud of the effort AND the coaching. Yeah they had some screwups. The two timeouts was someone (player) blowing needing to be on the field, that is not on the coaches to me. The first timeout of the second half wasn’t really a coaching problem either. As for execution from the one why the heck didn’t JB throw the ball away instead of taking the loss. He does that far too often trying to make something of nothing. And I for one HATE the shotgun when you’re inside the 3. College or NFL, I hate it! The kids did pretty darned good today, Moore was a monster. And the two point attempt WAS GOOD!
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The D looked like a different team most of the time. They did have some lapses and some missed tackles but overall lou really didn’t do any better against us than they did against Clempson and that is progress.
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As I’ve already commented…where is Reggie Herring when you need him???? I’m pretty sure we could pay him more as DC than the Bears are paying him as linebackers coach.
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And to top it off we are the 125th youngest team out of 128 in FBS. That is in freaking credible. And yet there are those who whine about the loss to BC and Clemson. I think we have done an incredible job just to be where we are. Time for the whiners to sit down and take a chill pill. When DD has had 4 full years THEN we evaluate. Until then cut them all some slack!!!!!! Players and coaches!!!
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This whole thing is not like turning a john boat around and more like an air craft carrier. John boat = feet, air craft carrier = miles. It’s a long process. What drives me nuts is the woe is me attitude. Starting the season realistic expectations from most were 5 or 6 wins. That is still feasible. Why so many are looking over the edge and willing to jump I have no idea unless of course they had totally unrealistic expectations following being 4 – 0. The fact that we played #1, then a team that could easily be in the top 5 except for a few bad turns, and a team that beat a top 10 team on an extra weeks rest is more than viable reasons for not being successful in those games. Get a grip people!!! This ain’t the end of the world, and it isn’t even close to being as serious as ISIS, or giving the Iranians nukes.
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Is that AD expenses or just football? As for slicing and dicing data that’s what I do for a living. I’m not about to go out and start gathering data that is tied to my “enjoyment” in life, there are enough things robbing me of that as it is…LOL. Good job jr, what I was asking for was just how recruiting matched up against final results. I wish there was some kind of central data bank with this kind of data that could be easily tapped. Unfortunately there isn’t, you have to mine it, and that’s just too much work for my taste. I do enjoy reading others results though.
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Only because we lucked up with 2 NFL caliber QBs. Take that away and give us someone on the order of Jay Davis and we would have REALLY been pitiful.
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Did these guys take a page out of the Winston playbook? Oh wait, we don’t have the TPD to protect them.
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The fact of the matter is this, DD inherited a dumpster fire in terms of talent. TOB had two top notch NFL quality QBs (and a few others like Nate) and the best he could do was a couple of low end bowl games and beating UNX 5 times. Other than that he accomplished NOTHING! He recruited NOTHING! He sat in his office and expected top talent to come to him, that’s where we are today. DD may be in over his head, MAY be. Until we have “some” talent we won’t know. And from what I’ve seen he is beating the bushes. When this season started how many actually thought we’d be 4 – 0 with FSU coming to town? And we did give them a game. Had Clemson not had Watson we’d have probably done better against them, they have struggled badly without him. To me the BC game was a match up problem more than anything. Our weaknesses against their strengths. We may not get to a bowl this year. And yes, I share some of the frustrations with the coordinators, but by the same token Clemson is paying big bucks to their OC and look at how successful he has been without Watson. Everything isn’t the fault of the coaches we have on the sidelines, a good bit goes back to how young our team is and how badly we recruited in the past 7 years.
If you want to look at some really bad numbers, look at UNX in those charts. In the top 4 every year for talent and consistently finishing well below their projected finish. Talking about poor performance. To me that is worse, having top end talent and getting low end results. Those charts should list the teams in terms of results vs. recruiting success.Smarter than the average bear
Maybe someone else has already said this but here goes… We play 7 weeks straight, the first two conference games are against the two best teams in the league AND our opponent yesterday had a bye week to boot. If one were to look hard enough swofford could be blamed for giving us “the business” with our schedule, if you’re into conspiracy theories… oh wait, that’s half the existence around here, that and NC State crap, and DD is the worst coach we could have ever hired. Why couldn’t we have hired the guys from Miss State or ‘Ole Miss or heck, Auburn??? I know, let’s throw a pile of money at Les Miles, he’s on the hot seat.
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