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Roo, that was the numero UNO in that “data”. Not one other subject came within 30 points. “Build the wall” was mentioned either first or second for 88% of respondents. Needless to say that surprised a LOT of folks. My boss initially felt it was a statistical anomaly until more and more data came in.
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Sorry RT but it IS the majority opinion, 62% OPPOSE open borders and 68% feel that illegal immigrants hove no standing and should be deported, thems the FACTS. I have the data.
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Off the cuff I’d say if your parents are citizens OR legal immigrants and you were both in the US then you aren’t an immigrant (i.e. you are a citizen of the US). My personal feelings are children of illegal immigrants should not be afforded US citizenship just by virtue of being born here.
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Sorry RT, “progress” is NOT open borders, nor ignoring FEDERAL LAW. If you don’t like the law then you have a right to petition to change the law, but until then the LAW IS THE LAW. Obama took an OATH to enforce the laws of this country, he didn’t. And BTW you can’t just declare the law unconstitutional because you don’t like it. And no matter what label you try to assign to those of us who want the LAW enforced, the fact is if you take any actions to bypass enforcement then you are complicit in breaking the law, which means you’re breaking the law too.
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OK Ply I’ll say it this way. Even with the electorial college 3 cities control 20% of the electorial college votes, and as it was it took a whole state’s vote to overcome Philly. If they were to modify anything I think the EC should be comprised by a combination of one vote by results in each congressional district and two votes per state but that’s just my take on it. If that were the case Trump would have really came out on top with over 400 votes. You can look at it however you want but one thing is certain for now, no amendment to do away with the EC is going to happen any day soon. At least not for 4 years unless both the house and the senate can become veto proof and I don’t see that as possible.
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McC, it’s not exactly known what the origins of the American Indians were so it would seem that anyone here in the Americas that are not of American Indian decent would be an immigrant of one degree or another.
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BOTB, from my namesake Teddy Roosevelt
We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become anAmerican and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn’t doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.
The problem as I see it and most of those who are opposed to illegal immigration, sanctuary cities, and grandfathering in those already here would agree with me that is is what we require to become an American.
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Mr. Ply, while that map I put up doesn’t convey the density the vote count from those cities does. I looked also at actual vote counts from those cities and the immediate suburbs around them. Take away those metropolitan areas and Trump would have had a landslide. My point being 6 major cities should not drive the outcome of a national election. That is why the Electorial College was installed in the first place. In colonial times they wanted to make sure Philly, NY, Boston, and Charleston did not elect the president.
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I just saw an interesting map of the election.
Election by county
It would appear that if you took out LA, NYC, New Orleans, Chicago, Detroit, Seattle, Portland HRC wouldn’t have come close, and certainly would have lost the popular vote by a landslide. That is the reason the Electorial College works.Smarter than the average bear
Just read the best thing I’ve seen yet for the “delicate flowers” i.e. snowflakes.
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Roo, you can certainly spin a tale. You and I ought to do a morning show. We could get our own channel on the net and then pick up a few local stations and WHAM. It could be the anti Dave Glenn Show with some low brow politico stuff thrown in. Shoot, we could even have some guests of lesser fame. I had thought of another line to go with this about inviting guests from the other spectrum but I’m not sure I could deal with that first thing in the AM. I already have two formal reprimands from the FCC we could hang on the studio wall. Whatcha say?
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1) be liberal and avoid selfishness,
2) maintain a high moral character,
3) be prepared to sacrifice one’s own pleasure for the well-being of the subjects,
4) be honest and maintain absolute integrity,
5) be kind and gentle,
6) lead a simple life for the subjects to emulate,
7) be free from hatred of any kind,
8) exercise non-violence,
9) practice patience, and
10) respect public opinion to promote peace and harmonyNot to be contrary CD but I can find many teachings for every one of those in the Bible. To be specific each one of those are covered in what is termed as fruits of the spirit.
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By whom?
By Gods word, especially the teachings of Jesus and Paul. My sense of right and wrong comes from the word of God first, then the laws of man (which is also Biblical). Tiptoe through Proverbs for instance. I can give tons of examples in verse through out the Bible. If you listen to anyone speak about anything or witness their actions and you are a Christian then you are making decisions/discernments as you listen/watch as to whether what they are saying/doing is Godly/in accordance with His word. That is part and parcel of being a Christian. Sometimes you have to call them out on what they are doing. Prime example was the Westboro Baptist Church, A deranged leader who high-jacked the word and inflicted pain on families of fallen soldiers. 100% WRONG and NOTHING Biblical about it.
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Roo, thanks so much for that. I had missed it because I feel the WP and the NYT are both better used as fish wrap.
I would never dare to hold myself up as the pious christian that others should model their life after HOWEVER… Christians are called to discern if others, especially our leaders, are guiding us with christian/Godly wisdom. From my personal perspective I am pro life, but I do not pretend it is my responsibility to choose for others. I made the mistake of choosing to do that long long ago when my christian walk was NOT where it was supposed to be. I’ve made some whopper mistakes in my life but that one is at the top of my list.
All that being said when HRC said that she felt abortions should be legal up until the time of birth my soul screamed NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Personally I can’t see how anyone who values human life could agree with that, or condone it in any way. First trimester withstanding, that to me is on the same plateau as sacrificing children to some unknown god. Certainly that is not the God I follow, at least not the one I know in my heart as Abba.
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Pak, sorry but that’s not close to anything we’re talking about. Some would consider it perverse.
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I read it every day. In Franklin’s defense I have no doubt he was NOT referring to widows and children but to those who would “play” the system by milking it for all it’s worth. And yes, I have no problems with head start and free school lunches and health services. I volunteer and contribute to a food pantry that my church is a ministry partner with. I see those in need all the time, but by the same token some are the result of parents who do nothing to get out of poverty because it is easier to get freebies. Parents who will take their last 5 dollar bill and buy a lottery ticket, or booze, or a hit. Part of what my grandfather taught me was “protect the innocent”. While my comments may seem like I am an uncaring dolt not one thing you’ve read from me in any way minimizes the necessity to protect innocents.
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There is no such thing as anecdotal data. An anecdote by itself can be a total outlier, and the plural of that would be an anomaly. Franklin’s statement isn’t about helping yourself BUT resembles what was called in the 90s workfare. Pushing those on welfare to become self sufficient while giving them support as they transitioned.
the crux of the quote is “not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it”. The “great society” has not been great in the least. It has done nothing to overcome poverty and in some instances has created greater poverty. It has also created single parent families by the score. It also has done nothing to lead or drive those in poverty out of it.Smarter than the average bear
I am for doing good to the poor, but…I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed…that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
Ben Franklin240 year old wisdom from possibly the greatest statesman this country has ever known. His words are proof positive that soc ia lism has NEVER worked, NEVER. The root of the problem with so cial ism is it will always crumble under it’s own weight because eventually those supporting it will be outnumbered by those being supported, OR lives will become so mediocre that it’s not worth living (USSR / Europe).
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radical neo-nazi white supremacists
THAT is a scary bunch.
Growing up in the deep south I was exposed to the KKK. Even at a very young age I could not bring myself to see their purpose. My grandparents raised me and my grandfather had several blacks who worked for him. Never once did I see him treat them badly or allow others to do so. I was probably one of the few kids who had black friends long before school integration in 1970. The were the children of his employees and I did see the pain of their lives as blacks. I knew all too well the “separate but equal” mantra and knew it wasn’t equal. As another point in my life I have a cousin who has been homosexual since we were young kids. We’ve been friends forever and what he is is not as important to me as who he is. That being said I have never been an “ist” that I know of. My grandparents were tough, and always expected me to do what is “right”, and the older I got the the more I was expected to figure that out on my own, and that there was always a price to pay if I made the wrong choice. I am aware that my views of what is right do not coincide with others but I am a product of my grandparents and I always thought they were pretty good folks. I did not protest in the 60s/70s and felt those who were destructive were wrong. To me they are as much of a menace as the KKK. Neither far right or left serves the needs of the many.Smarter than the average bear
BLACKLIST RULES! Roo, we’re gonna have to get together sometime and have a cold one. I bet you’d like that book Tender Warrior, it is probably right up your alley. More than once in reading it I’ve become very uncomfortable in “where I sit” if that makes sense.
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I do take exception that HB2 wasn’t good for the masses. As I’ve stated before 81% of females with female children/grandchildren fully supported it. Overall over 60% of women over 18 supported it and 75% over 30 supported it. That’s a lot of mass. I have the data. As a whole 68% of both men and women supported it in spite of whether or not it would impact businesses or money coming into the state.
A women’s sense of safety is far and away their #1 priority in life. Men rarely understand this, and that’s a fact. I’m reading a great book called Tender Warrior by Stu Weber as part of a men’s group I’m in. At 62 I’m learning some things about my wife that has really answered some deep seeded questions about how she thinks. Some of it has been astounding. For those of you who are married get your wife to list the 5 most important things she needs in her life. I’d be willing to bet a cool grand that the #1 common thread between all of them is safety and security. The law that Charlotte passed that triggered HB2 threatened that for a large number of women, and as a result of what they thought of it drove the opinions of some, but not all, of their hubbies.
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Believe that safety and decency for the masses trump personal individual freedoms.
That’s interesting. The whole reason for HB2 was specifically to provide that to the greatest majority of women in our state.
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I personally don’t see an utter failure in NC over the last 4 years, gov pat REVERSED the trend of declining teacher pay (first year not included) that the Dems had done for 8+ years. There is a surplus in the budget. The fits over HB2 have been discussed but there are plenty of other states that have laws almost exactly like HB2. The Dems knew the battleground that NC was going to be and made it an issue. Utter failure, nope. Give me one REAL example of failure, and NOT HB2. If you want failure examples of Roy Cooper I can give you many, including NOT doing his job. He took an oath of office, he did not live up to the oath.
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Rye, there have only been TWO (2) instances of violence from those considered to be on the right against anyone on the left and both of those were proven to be false reports by the police. There was one other incident that DID NOT include violence of any sort. An OFF DUTY policeman showed up at a public gathering with a confederate flag in the back of his truck. He resigned. If you have PROOF of any others I’d welcome it. As for my proof, just turn on the TV. When asked about “reported” incidents on 60 minutes Trump IMMEDIATELY denounced it by say “STOP IT”. It wasn’t until Obama was shamed by his lack of response to the RIOTS that he responded. And even then it was not a denouncement. As for Obama being a milestone the difficulty is he had opportunities to do great things, instead he denied any chance for consensus. If I’m in charge and you’re under me OR work in a different department just tell me how much cooperation I’m going to get from you if I flat out refuse to even listen to what you say. I could fill a book on Obama’s shortcomings as a president (others already have). To me his greatest failing is he did NOTHING for blacks in America and in lots of cases marginalized them by creating a greater divide in race relations. As one who grew up admiring Dr. King and everything he tried to accomplish I’m pretty sure his opinions of Obama would not have fared well.
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