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pak, the quote for yale could be just as easily pointed at Hillary. Face it, she IS a felon. She would not own up to the fact that she exposed our nation to those who would do us great harm. Which brings me to the first piece. We would have never known about the what of who she really is without her and her cabal unless she had opened herself to that hole in her proverbial “wall”. The truth be known her foibles are just as extensive as Trump’s, the difference is Trump didn’t have to lie to expose her, she did it all on her own.
No matter what anyone says this election came down to one thing that the left refuses to acknowledge, bigger more costly government that intrudes upon our lives is not the values of a great deal of us WHO PAY THE BILLS want. The liberal strongholds in the large metropolitan areas was Hillary’s base. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. That is totally unsustainable for us as a nation. It’s what we overcame in the 80s in the cold war. The primary reason that most of Trumps support came from those of us who remember what it looked like to have a society based on soc ia lism and we said NO THANKS to Obama and his false cry for hope and change. He is Marx of a different color. Look at who his friends are/were and what he stands for. Total control through a big brother state. We cannot dismantle his great overreaching government quick enough.
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rye, if you think you can build a tamper proof system of ANY kind you are mistaken. The enigma machine the German’s had in WWII was great until two things happened, we got our hands on one AND we got our hands on the key codes WITHOUT the Germans knowing we had it. NO SYSTEM is infallible, NONE, NADDA.
One would think that the system to protect the most powerful weapon system known to man, the ballistic missile submarine would have one such system. Read about the Walkers and how their spy ring compromised that very system during the cold war. Wikipedia has a very good article on it BUT it was much worse than their descriptions, trust me on that. I rode one too many times during that time period and I can attest to things that were not what they should have been.
As soon as you lay cable OR transmit data in any way in the open (even encrypted to the 1000th Nth degree) it becomes fallible. someone somewhere can break it. The email cracking this past summer should be a clue. Hundreds of millions of personal computers with viruses and malware and data breaches galore should be proof enough. NO DATA IS SECURE. NONE. Even data locked in a safe is vulnerable, PERIOD, because someone, somewhere can open it. To think otherwise is lunacy. Data system security today is known as threat mitigation, NOT threat removal. There is no way, PERIOD, that anyone can design a real time election system that does not contain any method or opening for breach because it can only work by transmitting data through electronic means. I’d be willing to bet a year’s pay on that one. And the bet would be that you would have to be able to 100% assure that EVERY vote would be tallied and reported correctly while having a 100% assurance that no external means could corrupt even one vote. I don’t know anyone that would take that bet and I have a very big circle of very intelligent friends in this business.
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As has been clearly shown over the past several centuries what was thought to be secure is clearly not. There has NEVER been a system built that cannot be beat. The old expression “two can keep a secret if one of them is dead” applies. The iPhone encryption probably comes closest BUT that is as long as it’s data stays within the phone itself. Once that data leaves the phone it’s just as vulnerable as anything else.
I’ve been playing in the data system sandbox for over 40 years and not once have I ever thought or said I could build something that is crack proof, that is total nonsense. I built my companies interface to the E Verify system and I cringe at the thought of sending SSNs across the wire and at times in the last 4 months we were verifying over 300 people a day. There is no such thing as data security. That’s one of the biggest reasons I held Hillary is such disdain over her email server. She opened up some of our most costly secrets to any and all who wanted to grab them all for the sake of keeping prying eyes away from her dirty laundry. In the end she secured neither and should the big war have broken out would have left the US exposed to all of our enemies. THAT alone is why she should be in JAIL. Four people died because of her and many many more could have.
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Sorry rye, I’ve been doing those systems since WAY before the internet was “invented” so I can give you a run for the money on that one (circa 1985). I built interfaces for the Navy to the NRC many moons ago, super secure until the inventor, Al came along and screwed them up. The ultimate problem is interfaces into the weeds and ensuring security happens all the way down the line. not gonna happen any day soon.
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Two things rye, Democratic REPUBLIC, and no system made by man can 100% ensure it won’t be hacked if it’s “real time” and connected via the internet. Client server on a closed loop MAYBE, but then that ain’t happening.
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Just calling it as I see it.
BTW, rye, I went into our data and did some data mining. It’s interesting how some of the pundits have said over and over how higher educated voters voted for Trump by a margin of about 8%. I broke down our data of those considered “higher educated” and here’s some interesting insight. Of those in that demographic if you further break that down by age it’s funny how it breaks. Over 60% of that group over 45 voted for Trump whereas 35% under the age of 45 voted for him. One could imply a correlation to the shift of college campuses to a more liberal environment 30 or so years ago as being a factor in that, so I also looked at data gathered near college campuses and the shift was dramatic with San Francisco and New York being off the scale. So from a data standpoint it is overly simplistic to correlate that those with higher education did not vote for Trump. If you break down the population at large for statistical groups it comes out almost a draw, there just happens to be more “higher educated” in the population of those under the age of 45. Just sayin’
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EXACTLY StateRed44! If you blow away LA and San Fran Trump wins CA by about 1.5 mil. Back to 2008 and 2012 Obama would have never won. And YES pak, those tax dollars wind up being a bad deal, they come with a huge deficit in that state alone. CA WILL DEFAULT sooner or later, just a matter of time. I’d settle for the San Andreas fault dividing them off any day now. The rest of the state can stay with us.
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rye, in talking taxes you have to include them all. Horry’s tax base (Myrtle Beach) means MEGA bucks to the county itself. I grew up there. I see the changes that happened over my lifetime. I also see the monies poured into education in that county vs. Dillon and Williamsburg. And YES, you do have to look at the whole picture. Most metro area taxes on the local level are far higher than in the weeds, both from a mills standpoint and an accessed value standpoint. The only difference is the property values of cars, BUT in most cases metro area citizens drive higher valued cars. Property taxes in NY state and CA are atrocious. And sorry rye, Trump may have lost some of the upper ends of education populace BUT by and large they only comprise 20% or less of the population. By that same token I work with some very well educated folks who would have NEVER voted for Hillary. NEVER. the common thread in that group? She is a felon.
All that being said my personal opinion is the electoral college should be tweaked. One vote per congressional district and 2 per state. Do that math and Hillary loses WAY big. instead of 55 votes from CA she only gets 10 to 15 (estimation) since she only won like 10 districts and two for the state. That impetuous would drive the Demos to a more centrist philosophy, AND we would have never had Obama in the first place. Second, national voter ID law with the E Verify system for employers being used to verify citizenship. it’s estimated over 6 million non citizens voted in this election. 150 bucks and you have enough fake ID to vote anywhere UNTIL you try to use that to go through E Verify. They catch it EVERY time. you’d be surprised how many “recruits” we lose when they find out we do E Verify for our clients.
Roo, since WRAL “lost” CBS the only thing I watch on there is Blacklist, and I only do that with a DVR that lets me skip the commercials, and Sunday Night Football if there is a game I’m interested in. I’d like to see the ratings since they did that. My bet is Jimmy G has lost tons of bucks due to lost viewership, way more than he would have lost to paying CBS the higher fees. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. GEEEESHHH. I’d quit watching their news years ago. THAT bunch IS the bag of deplorables.
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Sorry Rye, that times article doesn’t account for the fact that the metro areas of the country also account for the highest cost of living, which also drives salaries, and as such drives taxes paid. i.e. a one bedroom apartment in NY can cost twice as much as a 4 bedroom out in the sticks of NC. A hamburger at mickey D’s in Manhattan costs twice what it does in Raleigh. Consumer price indexes (GPI) is a much fairer way to view this data. With GPI taken into account tax dollar distribution vs. income from taxation by county is pretty much a wash. If you also take into account state and local taxes and personal property taxes those metro areas have far more monies at their disposal. If you want to have a good look at how that works you only have to go 100 miles to the south. Dillon county and Williamsburg county in SC butt up against Horry county. Horry is one of the richest counties per capita in the US while Dillon and Williamsburg are two of the poorest.
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I’d go the route that’s been successful in the past for us.
I had to laugh when I read that, we can’t go out and dig people up to find out how they did it. Today’s hiring practices are VASTLY different than 1980s, 1970s. Those were the last times we were “successful” at it. Lou lasted 2 seasons and poofed, Sheridan had some good years. Sorry WS, that process, whatever it was, probably won’t work today.
Chop, 10% improvement would only be one game. That could have happened with just one field goal.
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Yogi – your comparison of Dabo to DD isnt supported by the data.
I wasn’t comparing Dabo to DD, I was comparing him to every other hire in the coaching universe in the last 8 years. His stock is an anomaly. No other data comes close because no one else achieved what he did. That’s the point of the data, most (in this thread by my estimation) would consider improving wins by 25% to be paltry and yet very, very few have achieved even that.
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WS, MY point is who you gonna call? Ghostbusters? Cherry picking aside WHO would you hire and how would you do it? Oh yeah, how much are you going to pay him? Give 3 examples and be specific. This is HR 101. You’ve identified what you consider to be a problem. You laid that out really well from the negatives point of view. The task should be simple right? Find someone to fix the negatives. that’s how firing and hiring work. We’ve talking cause and effect and process improvement. Clearly define the process to guarantee success. Pssst… my point is that’s impossible. AT BEST I’d like to know how many hires over the last 10 years for coaching changes ACTUALLY improved the won loss record (that is the standard of measurement here). I’ll make it easier than the before mentioned 50% improvement, we’ll make it a paltry 25%. So with a 6 – 6 record you want at least 8 wins. Tell me how many times that has happened in just the last 4 years.
It’s easy to say “we want better”, the hard part is figuring out how to get it in this particular paradigm. I slice and dice data for a living. Develop processes and hiring plans for some very big companies, do consumer surveys and polling. It’s very easy to say what your expectations are, It’s damned hard to figure out how to do it if you cannot define the process to achieve it. From my perspective in producing decisions based on data if you could figure this one out you could name your price as a consultant, you’d be a very rich man, because no one ever has.
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Want to take a look at the stark reality of what it takes to be top 25 in college football look at Dabo. Took over in 2008 from Bowden. Not like he took over a team that sucked or had a total lack of talent or recruits. It took him 4 years to break into the top 25. Another 4 years to get where he is now, and all through that he had to overcome FSU. Today he gets pretty much the top recruits including those from NC. Now seriously ask yourself how often THAT happens. I’d say 1 out of 1000 or more. What if Clemson had given up on him in the first 4 years?
Second reality, Kirby Smart, supposed to be the brightest star in the field last year. Took over a GA team that had plenty of talent, now 7 – 5 and lost to GT. Richt’s records were all better than that with the exception of one year at 6 – 7.
The point is football saviors are few and far between, and more than likely it’s a matter of pure luck if you find one. Look at Urban Meyer’s travel log. Sabin didn’t even return his call when Sabin was HC at Toledo. Sabin commented that he made a mistake by not calling him back. DUH! For those that would rather see DD gone you’re welcome to post REALISTIC replacements. Carnac the Magnificent selections don’t count.
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I ask in all seriousness if we replaced the football coach who is better than we could reasonably hire?
THIS! Thanks tractor. And pay the costs of breaking our contract. This is the crux of what I said about data on replacements for football coaches. Rarely is the replacement any better than who was there before. I used a measurement span of just the last 10 years to make it easy to grab the data but it’s been that way as long as I can remember and I ain’t a young pup. The landscape is littered with “I hope this one is better than the last one”.
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Well I, for one, think TOBs marks were skewed by having Wilson, the same as CTC with Rivers. Certainly with TOB Wilson made three of his seasons and he was too obstinate to recognize it and sent him on his way. But that’s another story. I still feel this year was not a sky is falling year. Season’s are made or not made sometimes on razor thin results. 5 missed field goals were the difference in 9 – 3 and bumping off two top 10 teams. Add to that a called back touchdown and you could make the case for 10 – 2 and a top 20 ranking and maybe playing for the conference championship. What would be the conversation had that happened? My guess would be “how do we keep Dave?” Just sayin’.
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chop, THAT is exactly my point. The number of coaches that make any appreciable difference within 5 years is almost nil. Most are lucky to have a 25% increase in wins. Notable exception, Nick Sabin. Took over a Bama program in disarray and instant winners, but then that’s why he gets the really big bucks. PLUS, he’s proven himself to be a winner (Miami excluded, he could not overcome management and owners). Look at Texas and Charlie Strong, his resume was a ville program that Petrino built. Tanked. I’d be willing to bet that over 40% of new coaches have a worse record than their predecessor in their first 2 years (I have some data). That’s sort of a setup bet because a large contingent of that 40% are first time head coaches, and their success percentage in the first two years is REALLY low. And when you really think about it DD was not that far removed from being a first time head coach. Think DY should have seen that coming?
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chop, comparing DD to others in his class was not the data points. How many from that class were replacing previous coaches with .500 or lower AND those coaches had winning percentages of .750 or more within 4 years. The premise I set up was only to determine how many reached that successful thresh hold, not a one to many comparison. To do that would require a much stronger dataset including strength of schedule (remember at the first of the year our SOS was like #5 in the country). That’s something most have forgotten or thrown out. October alone was a monster not even Alabama faced, and it killed us but we were in every game except ville. I look at this as a degree between success or failure. The margin between those two was greatly minimized this year. I bet if you were to ask ACC coaches which games were their toughest wins this year NC State would be near the top of that list. I know for a fact Dabo and Jimbo would say that.
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From my perspective TOB and CTC both inherited top notch NFL caliber QBs, and when they were gone the surrounding players didn’t do too much. Brissett was pretty darned good but not close to Rivers and Wilson. Both of those guys were worth at least 3 wins on their own. TOB put us in a hole. Total lack of talent AND total lack of effort to get us talent. At least DD is out there beating the bushes. It’s taken us 4 years to get a line on both sides of the ball, and make no mistake the D line is stout. Dalvin Cook only gained 65 on us. Clemson didn’t run over us either. Call me a softy, I just think the gloom and doom isn’t justified yet. Had he won ECU, Clemson, and FSU my bet is someone would be fussing because BC and Da U beat us and we should be 11 – 1. Just saying. Most thought 7 – 5 was our ceiling, and we should have beat BC and ECU. ECU was early in the season, BC was a few bad breaks and Ron Cherry. THAT is the guy that needs to be fired. As a passing thought, did anyone notice how the chop block penalties went away?
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Just for the sake of argument I’d like a list of the coaches in the last 10 years that took over a lower to middling at best college OR PRO team and made them a winning program in 4 years. Then when you’ve gotten that list we’ll compare it to the list of ALL the coaching changes in those same 10 years and see what percentage actually made significant progress. For data sake we’ll say the lower to middling winning percentage at the time of takeover was .500 or less for 2 of the 3 previous years as a baseline. To be considered successful the winning percentage for the 4th year must be .750 Which represents a 50% or so increase in winning. For us this year that would be 9 – 3. My bet would be that list is VERY short if it exists at all. Maybe 5% or so. Decisions based on data not just dissatisfaction.
With that in mind I’d like to hear who you’d get to replace DD. And let’s be realistic, a 5 million dollar coach we are not going to get. BTW, I happen to know just one such coach personally, but he is not FBS. Matter of fact he took a school that had no team at all and in 4 years won .750 of his games, by year 6 his team lost in the semifinal of the championship by 3 points.
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Chop, YES CRAP! There wasn’t any talent to speak of at all on DDs first team here. And HWSNBN didn’t havee to do very much to be able to get into the post season. And if you consider his whole body of work as respectable then that’s your opinion, but if he was so great why didn’t he set the world on fire at AZ state?
I understand how people can throw rocks at DD. But the fact is this, we are NOT at the bottom of the conference or our division this year, and we play in the toughest division. We also beat UNX. And we only got blown out by one team (and that was part an parcel of losing the previous week from my perspective). The margin of error from hero to goat is razor thin.
Let me put this in another perspective. How would you like to have a job where your success or failure depended largely on 18 to 22 year olds? And you had some real adults helping you shape them into a team but the result of the outcomes rested squarely on YOUR shoulders. That is immense pressure. I have a great deal of experience in this because I lived it for 20 years. It’s called the military, and there the job you do is for keeps. You screw it up and people die. So Yes, I have a soft spot for the job DD does, the same as all of “our” coaches. They face hundreds of thousands of critics everyday, all willing to tear them to shreds for the least transgression. Sorry, from my perspective they were oh so close to a really good year. Those kids and those coaches HATE to lose. HATE it. Hind sight is 20/20 and that team was oh so close to being special. So I’m going to look at the positive. In spite of all those who want to throw DD away and start over I say he has another year no matter what anyone says. That decision is already made. Make the best of it, and instead of tearing him down root for him to be successful. Our division is tough but we were really really close.
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I, for one, still believe in DD. He inherited CRAP. And drawing parallels to HWSNBN 4th season can suck it. It is tons easier to turn around a BB team than a FB team. TOB had TWO NFL caliber QBs, and one won a superbowl. And when he was fired he left NOTHING, NOTHING!!!! This year with 65% freshman and sophs State came within some fieldgoals (yes we NEED a kicker) and 4 or 5 plays away from being 10 – 2. FSU and Clemson trailed us and we almost won both of those games and they have a TON of 5th year players and one has a QB in the Heisman hunt. Momentum is a funny thing. State was rolling along with Rivers and Company until GT came to town and 10 – 0 became 9 – 1 and we lost the next 2. I firmly believe if we had made the FG against Clemson we would have finished at least 8 – 4. DD wasn’t a miracle worker but that’s what everyone expected, because he had crap to work with from the start. And trust me, that defensive front 4 is as good as almost any I’ve seen at state with the exception of Super Mario’s 1st and 2nd year. Just my opinion, but it is realistic to look at just how close this team came to having a really good year.
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^I’m thinking Troll, Wuf, Rick, BJD, Yogi, me and the rest of the SFN gang plus a few non-regulars sitting in front of the Screen in the basement of the SFN house…
And let Roo text us fan/wish you were here updates.
Ever since the ville game I’ve been silent about the FB team. I was disappointed. They didn’t show up but I’ve been there. you lose a heart breaker like the clemson game and it sticks with you. That one game could have been a signature win, and should have. It carried over. There were only two games we didn’t have a lead in, Da U and Da ville. Two years ago we would have been over joyed about that. This team was 7 points or less in 4 games away from a 10 – 2 season. Dalvin Cook only had 65 yards against us. Unfortunately 10 of that was for a touchdown late in the 3rd. How many of those games would have been wins with a decent FG kicker? At least 3. While most may look at our season and say it was an overall loss I look at it and think “man we were so close to having a REALLY good year”. We had one of the best DEFENSIVE lines in the nation. Those guys were stout. One other statistic to think about, this team is STILL pretty young. As DY said yesterday 65% are still fresh/soph. And a lot of those young ones are smack dab in the middle of the two deep.
Say what you want about DD but he is NOT anywhere close to being like HWSNBN. And you know the coaches and players were disappointed with those close loses. It’s easy for us to sit back here and fuss about results, but when it comes right down to it the only skin we have in the game is as a watcher. We can walk away from the TV or the stadium and go back to our daily lives. It’s a whole lot different when you spend HOURS, lots of them, preparing and lose heart breakers. Without skin IN THE GAME when it comes down to it you’re just an observer. And I know some will say WPC dues, tickets, parking, and such are skin, nope that’s just money. Unless you’re nursing an injury, or got your head handed to you in practice, or watched film from the game you should have won and said to yourself “man if we had just made that one play” then you don’t have skin IN THE GAME.
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That data was “what do you feel is the most important issue in this campaign?” Granted, of those who were not voting for Trump what was most important was not to elect Trump. That data was thrown out since it truly was not an issue (which was born out by the second question to those who said that). they were asked what issue HRC addressed and they couldn’t come up with any one single issue that could be considered a platform. In other words her only platform was stop Trump. Trump’s platform was part stop HRC, but more thatn that he actually had a platform that took important votes away from HRC, especially in the rust belt. And the most prevalent part of that message was “build the wall”. Even life long DEMOCRATS felt that was important. Want to see the data, I’m sure my boss would make you a deal on the actual breakdowns and the numbers that go with it. Psst… The RNC and Trump knew it 3 weeks before the election, he just had to overcome all the negative press. He stayed on message and that was the difference.
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