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All game long the announcers are talking about how lackadaisical we are, how disappointing we are as a team. Now they are defending Gott and what a mistake it is to let him go.
The REASON they have talked all game long is the reason it is time to go. Clueless.
It’s baffling.
I’m seeing lots of Pack fans getting excited about Keatts after UNCW’s win last night.
To me, he’s a lottery ticket. Could hit big. Probably won’t. Plenty of low major coaches have a nice run of success for a few years, leverage it into a high-major job, and don’t pan out.
If you take Mav out, who do you put in that’s more dependable?
Dorn would have been the obvious choice. Dorn is imperfect but he’s unlikely to jack up an awful 3 at a critical juncture, and plays better D to boot.
And, as freshmanin83 notes, making the “come on” hand motion does not send a message. Putting Mav on the bench does.
Late in the game, Mav took an awful, long, contested 3 early in the shot clock. Gott was all pissed, throwing his arms out…
And left Mav in the game anyway.
Gott man playing favorites with Mav is one of the many problems with this team.
I shall flip, but mostly watch State. DVR the Arch V. Wade coach-off.
For the record, Arch is my runaway #1 (because I don’t think Marshall would say yes, and might say no in a damaging way) and I am fine with either Holtmann or Wade as a #2.
Get below that, and I’m highly annoyed.
Agree, although I’m a bit higher on Holtmann/Wade than that – I would be very pleased with either.
Beyond that group of three, though, we are staring into the abyss unless there’s a great out-of-left-field candidate. The Keatts/Moton/Kelsey tier are lottery tickets.
Clemson loses yet another heartbreaker. Have to think this might be the end for Brownell.
It is going to SUCK when Wade pick his alma mater over us and ends up being a stud.
I’m optimistic after the last football search. The OUTCOME with Doeren is still up in the air, but the PROCESS was perfect – smooth search, no public fiascos, immediately targeted and got probably the top mid-major candidate in the country that year. Basketball is a bit tougher because you must wait for people to lose in the tournament, but hopefully it goes similarly.
^ need to know just a bit more specifics on what/where this “online chatter” comes from. Is it the general negativity coming from the sports writers who fling crap no matter what? Or online chatter of a different sort? don’t need gory details just need to know if it is something different from the negativity of the paid trolls masquerading as writers/commentators.
sincerely curious
Without going into details, some of it is from the premium sites, who in the past typically have had good track records.
And while I detest Jeff Goodman, he does know people – the Millers specifically – and while he likes to troll, he can’t afford to get egg on his face either. So when he says flat out that Archie isn’t happening, and that’s consistent with what various other folks who have good sources usually are saying….
Conversely, I’ve yet to see anyone “in the know” suggest that Archie is a great possibility.
The online “chatter” about Miller is uniformly negative. It really sounds like he has no serious interest in the job, for whatever reason.
I’m becoming more and more convinced that Yow should focus on Marshall. Make him a Godfather offer and make it known he is our #1 guy.
I think we have more of a “B”/2nd tier list than in the past searches, actually. If you consider Marshall/Arch as the “A”, then the “B” would be Holtmann at Butler and a host of successful current high major coaches who have at least been rumored to have interest or be looking for a move: Cronin, Enfield, Drew, Cuonzo Martin. You could throw in Crean if it suits you. I doubt all or even most of those guys actually would move, but they are basically on par with the Turgeon types of last time; they are non-crazy possibilities and we’d only need one to hit.
The more I read on Holtmann, in particular, the more I see him as an “A” type on par with Marshall/Miller. His record at Butler, in a much tougher conference than what Brad Stevens was dealing with, is outstanding.
Then at the so-called “B-” level, Wade has all the hallmarks of a future stud. The kind of guy who we look back on 5 years from now and ask, “why the hell didn’t we hire him?”
Keatts seems more risky/unknown for a number of reasons. He should be the absolute floor candidate.
Of course, in our last two searches we smashed through the floorboards and pulled out a coach from somewhere near the water table.
IMO, Archie isn’t coming because Papa Miller will tell him not to, just like he told Sean vis-a-vis Pitt:
http://triblive.com/sports/college/pitt/10189728-74/miller-guy-coach
John Miller expressed concerns about unrealistic expectations at Pitt.
“I just think it’s a very, very difficult job,” he said, specifically alluding to the ACC competition Pitt faces annually. “Coach K (Duke’s Mike Krzyzewski). (North Carolina coach) Roy (Williams). (Syracuse coach Jim) Boeheim. (Louisville coach) Rick Pitino. Start adding them all up. It’s brutal.”
Those four coaches will all be retired w/in 5 years, most likely. But yes, this seems to be the way the Millers view the world. I haven’t seen a single “insider” type express confidence that Archie will come back here. I almost think we have a better shot at Marshall, who has made plenty of $ and may be getting bored in Kansas, looking for his one shot to take on the big boys.
based on what I’m hearing…I think Gott is done. I think he gets his walking papers tomorrow AM.
this is not a confirmed fact or anything, just the sense of someone who should have a pretty good idea.
The rumored Yow extension feels like a precursor to a coaching change. The new coach would know there would be 3 years of stability at the AD spot. Not ideal, but better than 2 years. The alternative – a change at AD – obviously is infeasible now.
If this season continues to spiral into a 5-13 (or worse) type of disaster, I can’t see how Gott survives. There would be no logical justification.
While watching the game Saturday a few friends and I got into a discussion about State. The non State fans all still think Gott is a decent coach. That is until I asked them 2 questions. First give me a player under GOTT that got significantly better year over year. They couldn’t. Secondly, name one coach in the ACC you would take Gott over. They couldn’t. Then they all agreed it was time for him to go. Regardless of what happens from a firing standpoint, I feel like if we dump Gott the media will treat us the same way. Much like they did with Sendek (even though we didnt fire him). I don’t want that to hinder the search. If we are going to fire him there needs to be a quiet push to the media that he isnt cutting it immediately. Focus on the results etc.
Some players have gotten significantly better. Cat, TJ, Howell, CJ Williams. No one on the current team though, which is part of the problem.
I would take Gott over Stallings, Brownell, and the BC guy. Stallings is pretty comparable. Until this year I would have added Manning, Pastner, and Hamilton to that list, but can’t any more.
I don’t think the media will kill us. The belief is widespread that Gott is a poor coach – if anything, the work Gott did in years 1-4 was underappreciated in the media. Jeff Goodman in particular seems to have a personal vendetta against Gott for some reason (did Gott bang his wife?).
Is anyone hearing anything to suggest that a change is even remotely possible?
I have reason to believe that Archie would be very interested. Don’t take it to the bank or anything, but from what I’ve heard the opportunity exists.
2006 is still killing us.
After he struck out with Cal, Fowl-up could have hired Larranaga or Miller or Marshall or any one of many talented coaches who would have taken the job at that time.
Instead he ****ed up the Belein hire (as SFN chronicled at the time), had the bizarre dalliance with Lavin that ended in failure, and then hired Sid, who in turn destroyed the program.
Debbie found herself with no good options in 2011 (due, it must be said, in some part to her own reputation). From that perspective Gott’s tenure has exceeded all expectations. And yet, it’s not much of a surprise that it is ending in tears (as his Bama tenure did).
Barring a miracle turnaround, we are left to hope, distastefully, for a complete collapse so the powers-that-be are left with no choice but to pull the plug. Sad and unbelievable given the talent on this roster, but that’s where we are.
It feels like it’s slipping away from Gott. Coming off two over-achieving years, 2015-16 was supposed to be the big year. Then Lacey leaves. So does the Trebuchet. Bam to Kentucky. Henderson goes down. And now the Martins gone.
Instead of coming off a top 4-5 seed team this year looking to next year with a stacked roster, Gott’s now in scramble mode hoping to get some more bodies and stay healthy enough just to make the NCAAs next year. And even if he does, after that? Right now the 17-18 team is Dorn, Maverick, Kirk, and Abu – that’s assuming that all those guys are still here (big assumption).
The margins were thin, always, and now they’ve seemed to disappear entirely.
When State gets a 10+ point lead, 38% of the time the game is later narrowed to a one-possession game and 24% of the time State loses.
When State falls into a 10+ point hole, 43% of the time the game is later narrowed to a one-possession game and 26% of the time State wins.
Right?
So my takeaway is that we are not any better or worse at holding big leads than our opponents. There are more total comebacks against State than vice versa, of course, because (fortunately) we’re up big more than we’re down big.
Thanks for putting this together.
Are we talking about the Miami that lost at home to GT by 20, lost big at home to Eastern Kentucky, just lost to FSU, etc.?
They’re more schizo than we are.
^^I’d hate to lose either Nard or BeeJay (BeeJay in particular), but if they are worried about minutes then the solution is to get better. BeeJay’s been a little better this year but he’s still wildly inconsistent and needs to drop some more weight. Nard actually has regressed. Remember how good he was down the stretch last year? Lately he’s even struggled to rebound. Neither of those guys will see major minutes playing like they are now, unless they drop to a mid-major.
I agree with BJD. Next year is the make or break for Gott, regardless of how this year goes.
Yow is in a tough spot. She may have another Sendek (but without Sendek’s first 5 years wiping out all his goodwill with the fan base). And Archie won’t wait forever.
