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Paki,
wolfpack92owen thinks Amato should still be State’s football coach. Don’t waste your time engaging.
sooooo.. you’re saying we should all hope he starts banging co-eds again?
Brilliant.
It could be worse. Dumb asses with such thinking could have influence in the decision making.
You dont have an idea of what his ceiling is now after 4+ years?
An idea? Yes, but just that, and idea. Would’ve been nice to play Louisville in the NCAA without a Cat Barber puking in the locker room.
He’s got 2 Sweet 16’s in 4 years. He has the top point guard in the country sitting on the bench healing up. He has an integral cog of this year’s team sitting on the bench healing. He lost the assumed team leader and returning leading scoring to an unexpected departure. He’s coaching a team with ONE guard.
I’d say he’s doing fine, thus far. Frustrating, yes, made more so by the peaks of his success, but unless you’re using a fanatical analysis, all things considered, he’s been successful. Doesn’t mean the pinnacle of his arc of success thus far should not be expected to rise.
You dont have an idea of what his ceiling is now after 4+ years?
So said many a Hokie fan in 1991.
Foose – you don’t like the firing of Canada coupled with the retention of hux do you?
No, I don’t ‘like’ it, and am somewhat perplexed by it. But I’m not going to complain about it.
None of us know the intra-staff issues, and as head coach, it’s DD’s prerogative. Regardless, can’t really judge either way until we see the results of the decisions. Not just who is hired as the new OC, but the actual results and production on the field.
As for Hux, I have no idea. DD being a defensive coach himself, maybe he’s planning on getting more directly involved, including maybe play calling? Maybe he’s keeping Hux (if he does) because they share similar general philosophies?
^ That just goes to show why Canada got fired.
We should’ve had more offensive plays to spread the ball around more. It wasn’t the defense’s fault for not getting off the field, it was the OC’s fault for scoring too quickly on too many big plays.
Damn him.
Mystery solved.
Chuck Amato. Now, he could of used a few good men directly under him to reign in some of the seemingly talented but dumb ass players (off sides on every play) but the guy had an identity. That guy had fire and that guy recruited Florida’s finest.
So Amato had fire, huh? Well damn, that right there is brilliant analysis.
So basically, you’re saying Chuck was a good coach for NC State like the Lincoln’s had a good night out in Washington that fateful April night.
Both were ideal, except for that one tiny detail.
Now forgive me, I gotta go before I lose track of the rest of the flock.
Watching Gott on the sidelines each game, I have to disagree with that. Maybe he tones down his post game comments, but during the game he’s as intense a coach as there is. Just ask any of the players or refs he’s ripping in to. Sometimes it looks like his head will explode.
I agree, but I have to wonder if it’s not there at other times.
Commitment, priorities, and consistency from coaches is reflected in players. Perception is just that, perception, so I could be wrong, but…
From where I sit, a simple stare from Coach K elicits more of a response from his players than a Coach Gott court side rip into his.
That’s not from random happenstance.
That’s from where my biggest issues with Gott come.
I guess I should be happy that VT has a better basketball program than us?
VT with a better program? I wouldn’t go that far, yet. But they do have a better coach. But I think Buzz is highly underrated and one of the better coaches in the country.
If he could get his head right, we already have a good kicker on the roster. IF.
Ideally, the kid takes the year off next year as Haskins assumes the duties, then by 2017, the head is right and we have a great kicker for 3 more season.
As for the offense under Canada, overall, I had no complaints of the OC. Sure, certain things I did not agree with, but I’m just a butt in the stands and give coaches the benefit of the doubt when I can.
I thought the rush game was excellent, especially considering the inconsistent passing game and lack of a threat at WR.
The only games when, in my opinion, the offense was a major issue, was in the Louisville and VT games, and to a lesser extent, the bowl game. All three in wet weather in which Jacoby couldn’t hit the side of a barn. That killed the play calling options, let alone the execution. That’s to say nothing of the personnel issues and injuries affecting those games.
All things considered (Thorton, Dayes, all the OL injuries and lineups, WR issues, etc), I think the OC did, at a minimum, a better than average job.
But as for QB development, ‘personality issues’, philosophical differences, issues in coaches meetings, whatever, I have no comment as I have no direct knowledge. However, staff decisions are the prerogative of the HC. That’s why, even though I thought Canada did a good job, I have no complaints regarding the change.
Our Line coach has left for a promotion, one that he was not getting at State. NIU pounced on it.
Yep. Agreed. But from reading other posts, apparently, once again, I’m in the minority opinion. As I wrote in a previous post after the bowl game but before the staff shakeup, I like our former OL coach. I thought he did an excellent job, all things considered.
You’re making yourself look a little foolish in trying to defend a statement that was not true. Canada did not get the OL coach fired. Canada is not why Beliema is at Arkansas. Beliema was Alvarez’s hand picked successor, and that was long before he left coaching. Budget expenditures, or lack there of, including the athletic dept NOT allowing Beliema to give assistants raises, including Canada, does have a lot to do with it.
OC’s don’t hire OL coaches. There was no ‘rogue’ OL coach. Horrid does not mean rogue. The OL coach was Beliema’s mistake. He essentially admitted it. The OL coach taugh ‘his’ way. That is why he was hired.
There’s different philosophies and methods in OL execution. The OL coach hired by Beliema tought it a certain way, a way that did not jive with a power running game. You hire a coach for his skill and methodologies. You don’t hire him only to tell him once he’s on board you want him to change his philosophy and coach a completely different way. You don’t hire Chip Kelly and tell him he must run a Chuck Knox offense.
There was no ‘power struggle’. The HC is the HC. There was disagreement, and friction.
I’m not arguing DD’s decision. It’s the rewriting of history that is a pet peeve.
This was a bad hire to start with. If you’ve followed Canada’s previous stops you know that he is one of the reasons (along with the AD) that Bielema is down at Arkansas. He was also so bad that the OL coach got fired about four games through the season as the fall guy
Now you all are just making stuff up. Nothing personal Rye, but geesh, this stuff has been getting more and more prevalent here.
Canada’s last two stops were at Wisconsin and NIU, both of which ended in conference championships. Check out the offensive productivity on the teams OC’d by Canada. You’ll see impressive scoring.
In spite of comments to the contrary on other threads, Wisconsin did not fire Canada, they desperately wanted him to stay. Canada’s unencumbered offense (Bielema finally let go the reigns of the play calling) had just put up 70 on Nebraska in the Big Ten Championship game.
The OL coach at Wisconsin in 2012 was an new hire (If I remember correctly, the previous one went with Chryst to Pitt). He was horrid. He brought a new philosophy and technique that simply didn’t fit Wisconsin’s style. Once he was let go, the offense picked up. It’s well documented and not disputed that Bielema held back the offense in 2012. Canada finally initiated a one-on-one with Bielema to open up the offense leading up to the Big 10 Championship game, a Badgers victory, 70-31, over Nebraska.
Badgers football: Offense was power struggle for Matt Canada, Bret Bielema
Bret Bielema, Matt Canada fought for control of Wisconsin’s offense
We haven’t shown much analytical analysis of folks that we hire, including DD…. DD hired two coordinators that had just been fired and, further, neither had ever really done much in their careers.
Not arguing the decision, but that simply is not true.
I was dissappointed Samuels was not used a bit more but I’m not sure I would call him the “best playmaker”
He made things happen with the ball in his hands, and his presence opened up things for other players. But I’m probably with you, if I’m understanding you correctly.
I thought he should have been used more, but I also thought his effectiveness was predicated on situation and tactical play calling. There’d be a point of diminishing returns, but I don’t think we ever approached that in most conference games.
I was confused about our OL performance this year.
No depth and hit early and often with injuries. Practically a new lineup every week the first half of the season. The line up jumbling continued throughout.
