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tjfoose1Participant
One of those rare times we’ll have to respectfully disagree.
And I don’t fully accept the premise that “The revenue sport athletes make all the non-revenue schollys possible”. I don’t think it is [only] the athlete that generates that revenue, but that’s a different matter for a different day.
Scholarship athletes are free to get jobs anytime they want. They can chose to do anything they want with their time, anytime they want. They can quit their college team and attempt join the professional ranks anytime they chose. Problem is, they have to stop being scholarship athletes to do it.
Oh. I guess it must not be so bad.
A school invests hundreds of thousands of dollars (per year, at most of the big boy schools) for each 4, 5, sometimes 6 year scholar athlete. It is the rare exception that an individual athlete returns the amount invested in them.
It’s not slavery, it’s not abuse, it’s not indentured servitude. No one is forcing the athlete to do anything. They participate in athletics because they want to. Simple economic theory tells us they get something out of it (fame, glory, education, notoriety, etc) more valuable to them then the time and effort they invest.
Yes, the status quo needs reform. To me, Jeremy Bloom is the cover boy for that issue. And the NCAA is unjust, corrupt, and self serving. But if it is the contention that schools owe the student athletes spending money, then I counter that the those same student athletes therefore owe every player, administrator, coach, fan, referee, grounds crew, stadium architect, construction worker, vendor, etc who came before them for creating the very system and culture that affords them such grandiose opportunities simply because they are good at playing a game.
Where’s my cut?
Those that come out signing multi-million dollar contracts, forgive me if I don’t shed a tear. Show me where else I can get that kind of return on a 2-5 year investment my time, all the while having literally 100’s of support staff personnel working full time and overtime to see that I succeed.
Where’s the universities return for the scholarship athlete who never advances beyond the scout team? Or the cross country runner? Or the swimmer?
tjfoose1Participant” if EA Sports made a NCAA game using schools’ real names and assigning strength to various aspects of each team (QBs, WRs, LBs, etc.) based on the real players’ strengths and weaknesses, but assigned random height, weight, skin color, jersey numbers, etc., could they still make a game? ”
That’s what a lot of the not-top-of-the-line sports games used to do, and even they used similar or relatable names.
tjfoose1Participant“I’m just wondering how long it will be before someone hires a lawyer to determine, from the date birth forward, how much a parent owes a child for breathing air, taking up space, and just basically being on the planet.”
Where you been? I know you meant that as a joke, but you’re not far off from today’s reality. Replace child with government and add global warming. Oops, I mean climate change.
tjfoose1Participant“It’s about individual athletes thinking they have individual value beyond what the NCAA and its member institutions provide.”
Yep.
They don’t get it. Their marketability is due to the school. People pay because they represent the school. They don’t pay to see the athlete.
Exhibit A: How many of you State fans bought the jersey of your favorite Duke or u*nc All American? How many Meechigan fans are walking around in Braxton Miller jerseries.
Take the name off the front of the jersey and the marketability crashes.
Have that same player withdraw from school and play in a county rec league and then gauge his market value.
How many folks show up and tune in to watch NC State vs u*nc basketball games? How many do the same when those same exact players competed against one another in the summer leagues?
tjfoose1Participant“Glennon is a fundamentally sound,
intelligent quarterback who makes excellent
decisions, does not lock on to a receiver and
stays strong through the game. ”What game where you watching?
I hope you are correct, but that’s not what we saw for the majority of his first game as a starter.
First two passes thrown into double coverage, locking in on receivers throughout the game, and poor pocket presence.
I believe he is much better than that, but he has yet to prove it on the field during live, meaningful snaps.
It was well into the 4th quarter before he began showing signs of being the QB most of us think/hope he is.
tjfoose1ParticipantWe should know what Glennon is after 4 games.
tjfoose1ParticipantWell, if this is an aberration, then we’ll be better and the season is still before us
If it’s not, then best to know now before getting invested.
Like I told a friend after the Carolina win at Kenan, temper it. Don’t let them suck you back in.
Be happy and celebrate the wins, but don’t fall for the trap and make yourself vulnerable with rising expectations and emotional investment.
That is until/unless we have a proven record which justifies it and we’ve banked a stretch of continued and prolonged success.
BTW, I expected a blowout loss and didn’t bother to watch. I knew what to expect from UW on their home court against the team I saw play Georgetown. I expected ugly, but wow.
I expected 70ish to 50ish ugly, not a 40 point obliteration.
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