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Nothing like stating assumptions and presumptions as ‘fact’.
Here are just a few actual facts:
Wilson was PROMISED he could play both football AND baseball when he was recruited. It was a deciding factor on why he chose NC State. u*nc’s OC (Cignetti, brother was on NC State staff) was pushing Bunting to offer RW, and RW wanted to attend u*nc. [The rest of this paragraph obviously stays from pure fact and includes my subjective color analysis] Luckily for us, u*nc had a meathead for a head coach at the time and he was busy kissing Mike Paulus’s and his daddy’s collective ass. That ass kissing included limitations on recruiting other QB’s. Bunting would not agree to the baseball/football deal to accommodate a no name, undersized, 2 star QB recruit, let alone risk hurting daddy Paulus’s feelings. Bunting likes to paint it differently now, but that’s how it went down. Amato, to his credit (as was his ‘knack’), saw the talent and agreed with Avent, to the baseball/football deal.
Without getting into why, Wilson stopped by my house before heading to Asheville to play minor league ball. When I asked him a few questions about his future, he told me was coming back to play football, that it was his goal to play professional baseball AND in the NFL. He was going to pursue both and trust in the Lord as to how, when, and where, and which path to follow if/when a decision had to be made. He would just plug away, making himself the best he could be. Things would work themselves out (hindsight appears to show that is exactly what happened). He then signed a few footballs for a few of my friends and I wished him well. I never asked for him to sign one for me (I didn’t like to impose upon his ‘celebrity’ for myself, now I wish I had) but I did get him to agree to owe me tickets when he “made it, big time”.
Wilson made no commitments to the Rockies that he would not play football.
Glennon had stated he would transfer if he was not the QB in 2011 (I do not blame him for this).
Glennon was TOB’s first big time recruit, some would say his ‘prized’ recruit. How many times did the staff compare him to Matt Ryan and refer to Glennon as an analogous cog to the NC State program?
RW paid back the balance due on his signing bonus to the Rockies.
When first rebuffed by TOB about coming to fall camp in 2011, RW requested only a chance to compete for the starting QB job.
TOB told RW he was not welcome in fall camp in 2011.
Opinions/assumptions/unprovable fact:
RW had become a headache to TOB, a fly in the ointment to his mapped out plans (for both QB and program) when he recruited and signed Glennon. Promises were made to a family savy to football recruitment and college football. One that had already experienced unexpected ‘detours’ along the road to college QB football glory.
If RW had not gone to UW, he would not be a starting QB in the NFL. UW provided an opportunity for him to showcase his ability when playing behind an NFL sized OL, as well as his intangibles (most notably, intelligence, focus, work ethic, and leadership). The publicity and stage provided him at UW is what got him drafted in the 3rd round to Seattle. Seattle was the perfect team for him. No established QB, a strong run game, a strong defense, but most importantly, and open minded, free thinking coach.
Had he stayed at NC State, he does not get nearly the level of publicity. He likely goes in the late rounds or signs as a free agent and is currently a backup.
Trusting in the Lord to provide his path and show him the way seema to have worked out ok for RW.
A bird in the hand beats two in the bush.
I understand the logic between the trading 2 year of Glennon for 1 year of Wilson, but it’s a dumb ass argument. You don’t sacrifice a known commodity of the caliber and talent of RW for a developing unknown 2 years away. I was saying this at the time. Myself and CD are the only ones I specifically remember, but I think there were one or two others that agreed. TOB was essentially admitting he had not recruited effectively, and had no plans to do so in the following year. I don’t care what was said to Glennon, players compete for playing time, period. If you can’t beat out the player ahead of you, tough cookies, that’s the way it goes. A third string LB wants to play just as much as a top QB recruit expecting playing time.
Like many fans on this site who were calling for Russell to move on so Glennon could have his turn, TOB did not appreciate what he had while he had it.
Now everyone likes to rewrite the story to fit their view. Some blame TOB, some blame RW, very few blame Glennon. I ‘blame’ none, it was just a confluence of situations. I’ve wondered why those who blame RW for supposedly not ‘committing’ to the team by not participating in spring ball in 2011 do not hold a similar opinion of Glennon for saying he’d bail on his teammates if he’s not made the starter. How would that go over if a CB, LB, OL, or WR made that pronouncement?
If a preponderance of the blame lies anywhere, it’s with TOB. A promise, a commitment, a deal was made with RW when he signed with NC State. TOB agreed to abide by it, then he did not. IMO, it was used as an excuse to remove Wilson so he could promote Glennon, as was his original plan when Glennon was the star of his recruiting class. TOB had an established blueprint to follow, and crusty TOB did not like to change his ways. RW was in the way.
Wanna talk about putrid? Imagine any team full of ‘competitors’ with the outlook and attitude of ‘alum44.
So much for ‘ignorance is bliss’.
^ I would say that would be more presumptuous and foolish than stupid.
This is stupid:
That was the first game for Rivers, Amato, and Chow. They got a standing ovation after the first play from scrimmage – an incomplete (but deep) pass.
I remenber only optimism and excitement from the fan base after the game. But like that 1st offensive play, I think it was commentary on the previous staff as much as it was on Amato, Chow, and Rivers.
No one was upset with Rivers. He was a true freshman playing in his first game and had just thrown for 400 yds and I think 4 or 5 TDs. All this while barking at seniors and being the clear leader of the team.
^ ‘Dog beat me to it. Not based on the relative strengths and matchups of two teams, but the public perception of the same.
If this audience was an accurate indicator, the general public, like ’44, where clueless to the relative strengths and matchup issues going into the GSU game.
We got a ‘W’, some galvanized team building, and early prep for GT. A win win win.
I beleive there’s a hotel right across the street, behind Backyard Bistro…
Yep, Comfort Suites Arena
I heard packalum44 is pissed off at our mediocrity because we settled for a stadium without a river.
Hey look, it’s Mr Happy!… (No, not Mr Hanky)
We were 20.5 point favorites. Anyone who spins this game into a positive is….
Right, because the line setters know everything and never get it wrong.
This was an atrocious performance
No, it wasn’t. Wasn’t great, but it was far from atrocious. Actually, because of the way it all played out, Saturday’s game was a net positive. And those paying attention would have noted that most (if not all) of the glaring and costly errors were made by young players on the front side of a steep learning curve.
But we all know you’ve been full of piss and vinegar for quite a while now, so keep enjoying life and sending us your ‘sunshine’.
Going into the game, I thought the Wolfpack was a 5-7 win team in 2014. Saturday’s performance changed nothing. If anything, I was encouraged, all things considered.
Favorites in the first 4, little to zero chance against FSU, L’ville, and Clemson, probable favorites against Wake and maybe BC, various levels of ‘reasonable’ chances of victory against the rest.
OT, you’re being called out (and rightly so, IMO) not because of you’re opinion, but because you’re being ridiculous and condescending (with a slight hint of ‘whiny bitch’) in expressing it. Making obvious errors in stating the reasoning behind such things and using terms like ‘gimmick’, ‘fad’, and ‘Identity crisis’ to describe the opposing view will not win you many fans.
Gimmicks aren’t what this program needs.
Gimmick? Everything new is not a gimmick.
But yeah, we should stick with old school tradition. Let’s just sit still and do nothing so we can whine and bitch about sitting still and doing nothing while other schools pass us by and continue to put distance between us. I think we should stop those recruiting weekends too. We didn’t have them back in day, and we shouldn’t be catering to adolescent prima donnas anyway. It’s not about them, it’s about us and the way we did it in our day. If they don’t like it, screw ’em.
Let’s bulldoze CF and go back to Riddick. We don’t need all those new fangled electronic thingy’s and that Murphy Center is a bit much. The Flintstone weights weigh just as much and those fancy smancy ones. And lights? What’s up with that? Football was created to be played under the glorious sun, dammit! And we need to stop all this coddling of our current players! Have you seen those meeting rooms? Desks? Grease boards? Just draw the damn play in the dirt like God meant it to be. And Air conditioning? Seriously? What’s with that? And enough with this bus bs, we need to make the players walk to practice. Anyone know how we can make it so they have to walk up hill both ways?
And stay off of my lawn!
And that is precisely why I’m bailing after this football season.
If you are not kidding… Don’t forget your ball when you go home. Bye.
If you’re going to do the black uniforms, why do you do them for the game that is only on ESPN3? Do you do that to minimize exposure?
I’ll add my 1.5 cents.
Dumb question. Those wondering this are acting as if they’re one-and-done uniforms. I’m pretty sure the uniforms will not be destroyed after Saturday’s game. Given our history with alternative uniforms, introducing them against ODU is probably a good idea. Get the distraction of the newness done and out of the way against ODU, as well as a highly probably notch in the ‘W’ column. I’d be willing to bet the uniforms will still be visible to TV viewers when later worn against a higher profile team with a wider TV audience,
Just Win the Damn Game…
Have you forgotten the fan base whence you cheer? Since when has just winning been good enough?
At least they don’t have pink numbers/lettering this time.
But but but… that IS old old school. Pink is an original school color. I know… Let’s go total old school tradition, 19th century style, and come out with pink and brown unis! That’ll make a statement! 🙂
What we really need is a new direction, not a new color.
Yeah, yeah, yeah…. I heard the same thing in the 1890’s when the whipper snappers changed us to red and white.
I think they should paint the field solid black and encourage the fans to do a “black out.” The opposing fans would never know what hit them.
That gave me flashbacks to high school. Jack Holley coached Wallace-Rose Hill (where Nate Irving roamed during his high school days) used a dimly lit filed and all black uni’s with a life sized brown football logo across the center front of their jerseys. Those suckers ran a T-formation, mis-direction, multi-option offense with each back who did not have the actual ball coming through the line cradling the logo. Later rule changes eventually prohibited it, but as an opposing LB, it certainly did add an lil something to their offense. Sneaky SOBs!
Wright,to his credit,didn’t quit,and played the option run from the rover very well.
Yep, entire team kept plugging away. I mentioned #8’s (Wright) dubious coverage on a couple plays, but I liked his aggressiveness and hitting. He was a force on run support AND special teams. If he can tighten up his coverage skills, might have something there.
On the field… Herschel and Bo playing in the same game.
Priceless.I think the only time that could’ve happened would have been at Jordan-Hare.
Wright is #8? He was much better in run support.
Great minds can disagree on the 4th down call. We had momentum, we were driving, GSU wearing down. Everything going Wolfpack’s way. Plenty of time to get the next 7 if we took 3 there. GSU had just stopped us on the play before. I saw no reason to provide GSU an opportunity for a game changing/saving play at that point. Comment I made at time, before we knew if kicking or going for it, was that it’s dumb not to take the 3 and make it a one score game, but… IF going for it, make damn well sure its a play you have 99% confidence in and have been setting up. What we got was… bleh.
Took GSU miscues for the Wolfpack to pull out the win after that. But they did, in dramatic and team building fashion. So in the end, worked out best the way it went down.
All this based on watching live, in stands. Could potentially change opinion after watching dvr, but doubt it.
plain and simple GS lost by going to prevent style defense for 90% of the 4 quarter.
Yeah, kinda, maybe… They were giving up the 4-7 yard hitch and curl, but we still had to run and execute it. Remember last year? Remember TOB? That’s not a given. And we still hit the down field play when we needed to.
Just got in from game. Have not read any comments or read any articles. My thoughts:
Impressed by Georgia Southern. They are a good team. Remember, they beat Florida last year. Yes, they have a new coach, but this coach was in the FCS finals the last two years. Over the full course of the game, GSU was definitely the better team. Was it only fatigue that cost them the game, or did it take a while for the real Wolfpack team to settle in and start executing? Time will tell.
First half we were an inch short but a mile away. Brissett overthrew two open TD’s. Assume it’s rust from a 2 year layoff and too much Favre-like early game adrenaline. Hopefully, anyway. Offense would get in a nice grove, humming along, then one play/mistake would kill the drive.
Said at the 3rd/4th qtr break I don’t care if we convert or not, going for the 1st down would be stupid. It was. Kick the damn FG and make it a one score game. Yeah, it was the exciting, sexy move, and part of me liked it, but dumb, D-U-M-B DUMB. Players bailed out the coach on that one.
#80 was killing our secondary from the slot. Based on what I had seen till then, I called his deep conversion on 3rd down and his touchdown before the ball was even snapped. Apparently our guys have problems with the single step out and then post move. C’mon guys, that’s basic coverage 101. #8 for us was definitely having issues, all day long. He’s got work to do or he won’t be starting next week. I noticed we had BOTH the slot CB and safety lining up over him after his TD.
Brissett settled down and got in a grove late. Hopefully that was the Brissett we’ll see from here on out, and the early version was the too hyped-up and shaking-off-rust version.
Line play was shaky and inconsistent. Brilliant at times, other times, not so much. It appears we simply wore them down late, but then, that’s what we were supposed to do.
Team never quit. They stayed together and on task, made the plays they needed to win the game. Brissett looked to be a steady hand, calming influence. Definitely the team leader, on offense, anyway.
Defense needs playmakers. Other than a few big hits, nothing really stands out. Most of the big plays were due to GSU errors. From body language, didn’t really perceive a leader on the field. Gonna need both playmakers and a leader or two to develop, pronto. Fernandez, maybe, eventually?… But he is a freshman.
Team was good, if not great, in the red zone. Both O and D.
Like what I saw from #28 Samuels. From his build, I was like “wtf” when he got that jet sweep, then I saw him move with the ball. We just saw glimpes and flashes, but the Wolfpack could have something with #28. I hadn’t been following the team much this offseason, and hadn’t even heard of the dude, but I talked to friend after the game and he told me Samuels was a freshman that the coaches wanted to redshirt, but he just kept making plays in practice and proved too good to keep on the sidelines.
Scantling changed numbers, from #1 to #84. Receiving corps did a good job. Hines was as expected. Think the search party is still out looking for Underwood. His most exciting move was jumping up and down, waving his arms, on that last drive when GSU failed to have anyone line up on him on the far side (GSU side) of the field. GSU immediately called a time-out.
Running game was good overall. Thorton had several nice runs but not a lot of carries. I’m assuming his YCP avg was good though. Not sure what all that means. Even when running well, the offense sputttered in the first half. Late in the second half it probably had more to do with GSU being worn out. We’ll see.
Happy for the win. All things considered, a good first game – A win, a little adversity, clutch plays, end of game rally, a game winning drive, team bonding, and a coach bailed out by his players.
Oh, Sade needs to wake up his leg for touchbacks before the 4th quarter.
Put a check mark by game 1, but a LONG way to go.
Tough loss for GSU. That one’s gonna hurt for a while. If there QB doesn’t get hurt (and replaced by 13 on that one drive), likely a different result.
No need for me to calm down. My tone often does not translate well. My words were intended in a “matter-of-fact, oh c’mon tone, really?” tone, not one of irate blasphemous indignation. I stand by mypoint, but apologize for the poorly communicated tone. It was super late.
I heard the same thing you did about the incident. If the ginger’s alleged offense is true, and it had been handled properly by the ‘aggrieved’ BF, I would boot ginger from the team, if I were the coach.
But the stupid dumb ass actions of the BF and his posse make that impossible now, with the added bonus of besmirching the entire team, athletic dept, and university, at the national level.
How’s that for that chemistry you mentioned? Instead of booting a cancer who will never see the field, the cancer just got a guaranteed insurance card. If he’s booted now, the university faces a backlash of scrutiny from the national media. Fedora’s hands are tied.
Dumb, stupid, idiotic, childish. No tolerance for it. If I were Fedora I would be beyond furious. The ‘posse’ would be luck if they weren’t suspended for the season. Suicides and sprints a-plenty for when they rejoined the team.
As for my use of ‘ginger’, I’m entitled. Grandfather was one, as is my brother. I carry the gene, but my soul is intact.
