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Loooooooooooooool. Just die his hair sandy blonde and yeppers. I could have a lot of fun with this, but will hold off b/c spoilers.
We can just call him Joffrey from now on…
And mark my words, Grayson Allen is going to rise to Top 5 most hated Dookie before he’s done. He is going to be a real pain in the backside the next 3 years. And he’s a dead ringer for that little psycho king from Game of Thrones.
I agree with this and had been trying to figure out who he reminds me of, and you are spot on.
Hardly a straw man. You (and others) are speculating on improvement because of the decline in coaching within the ACC. But one of the problems with this line of logic is that there are strong programs and coaches all over the country. If State can’t move up nationally while those coaches you mentioned are still here, then there is no reason to think that their absence will somehow improve State’s position.
I have never said we can’t move up with those coaches in place. I said in the very post you quoted that Gott is still improving, which implies he can help us move up now. I have posted elsewhere that I expect a top 4 finish next season. That is moving up, and I don’t expect any of these coaches to be retired next season.
Since my post wasn’t clear, I will restate my view clearly. I think Gott has the program on an upward track. I think we will be a top 4 ACC program, maybe a top 3 ACC program, before the retirement wave hits. Unfortunately, it is hard for me to see our program surpassing Duke or UNC before K and Roy retire, unless UNC gets hit hard by the NCAA. But I think Gott can elevate our program past the others that have been ahead of us. I think we will be a consistent top 25 program by the time the retirement wave hits, and regularly in the hunt for top 4 seeds in the NCAA tournament.
When the retirement wave hits, that can only further boost the program, if only because of the possibility that it would boost recruiting, both because those other universities will have less capable recruiters to compete with and because being in the hunt to win the conference regular season and conference tournament and contend for good NCAA results every season should further boost our profile with prospective recruits.
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Other ACC:
1 – UNC
2 – UVA
8 – Duke
19- ND
23- L’villeThis set of rankings doesn’t seem credible, given what ND and Louisville are losing. I know Louisville has a strong recruiting class, but losing Jones, Harrell, Blackshear, and Rozier has to mean a step back. ND is losing Grant and Connaughton, their two best players. Even the Duke ranking looks suspect given what they will lose.
There’s a reason the Spurs win a lot
There are definite reasons the Spurs win a lot. It is probably the best run organization in the NBA and has the best coach in the NBA.
But I don’t think they are a perfect example to cite for your argument. The Spurs are typically picking very late because of their success, so they haven’t really been in position to draft the elite one and done players. Also, of the 15 players on their current roster, the Spurs only drafted 6 of them: Duncan, Ginobili, Leonard, Parker, Splitter and Cory Joseph. Joseph was a one and done player, and Parker was equivalent to a one and done player (he bypassed college for one year before entering the NBA draft). Certainly that group of drafted players shows they have been successful at drafting, but it hasn’t been because they exclude one and dones.
Having said all that, I am certainly in favor of the NBA increasing the number of years required in college before being eligible for the NBA.
I know that Tau isn’t the first to posit this, but I completely disagree with this logic.
Also, which is the part you completely disagree with?
That the named coaches will likely retire soon? That those retirements creates more in conference opportunity?That those programs will not likely replace those coaches seamlessly? Or that Gott has our program positioned to move into the top 2-3 programs in the conference as that happens?
Or do you completely disagree with a strawman that was not in my post that you quoted? Something like, being top 2-3 in a weaker ACC makes us a stronger program? You’ll notice I didn’t post any such thing.
What was meant, or at least how I read it, is that the opportunity to surpass will most likely be greater while the competition goes though a change in leadership. I didn’t read it as ONLY possible during those periods.
I don’t see how anyone can disagree. Whether it be sports programs, political parties, or warring nations, that’s pretty much the way it is.
Regardless, in either case, it does not necessarily mean others fall back while the Wolfpack remains static. It could be a swapping of positions, especially if recruiting is directly effected. For example (exaggerating to make a point), 3 top 10 2020 recruits, who would have gone to u*nc or Duke if there were no coaching changes, instead choose NC State, with the continuity and known commodity of the coaching staff being the deciding factor.
Foose correctly interpreted my post. I said that Gott is still growing/improving AND there will be better opportunity. Not sure why that reads as if ONLY the opportunity created would allow us to move up. Regardless, foose phrased it better.
I definitely had the recruiting impact in mind. If all of those coaches depart those programs over the next 5 years, it creates an opportunity for Gott to improve his recruiting, since he is directly competing against all of those coaches for specific recruits year in and year out.
He still has to go land the top recruits, and there will still be heavy competition for them, but it can only help. Particularly K and Roy, since there is possibly a more pronounced effect on local top recruits. Any boost in recruiting would obviously apply not just in conference but would also stand to improve our position relative to all NCAA competition.
I agree that Gott does not seem to be done growing/improving.
I also think there is good reason to believe that more in conference opportunity will open up in the near future, with all of K, Roy, Pitino, and Boeheim (and Larranaga) all likely to retire within the next 5 years, give or take. It’s hard for me to see any of those programs replacing those guys seamlessly. Gott has positioned our program to make a push for top 2-3 in the conference as those coaches turn over.
There is still plenty to prove, and a lot of follow through required to make that happen. But we are in position that it can happen. A position we have not been in since V.
The future is bright.
By the way, which 20 teams have more talent? I know there is no way to truly prove it, but I’m genuinely interested in getting an idea of how our roster stacks up talent-wise.
Factors that go into coaching decisions:
1) $$
2) recruiting (ties into fan support and facilities and tradition)
3) ADOur #1 and #3 hurt us during both searches. We are a poor school despite Wendell he is only one man and is not even close to a T. Boone or Phil Knight booster. Wichita State just proves that mid-tier conferences can match or even beat our offers.
#2 is good but not great…high school kids could name 30 programs they would rank ahead of ours. Maybe more. What have you done for me lately?
Gott has recruited well but NOT great. There are 20 teams with more talent. How can we expect to beat those teams without out coaching them???
Gott’s teams have beaten a number of teams with more talent. So either he outcoached them or the talent differential is either overstated or thin enough as to not be all that important.
Good points, CD. Perhaps the difference has been circumstance, and perhaps that suggests that what Gott and Yow have accomplished will prove to have reset the market for our job next time. And hopefully that reset isn’t yet complete, and Gott will continue to elevate the program from here.
So, what is the implication if Smart goes to Texas? To put it another way, how does the Texas HC job compare to State’s? Possible considerations include (in no particular order):
– Compensation
– Budget (for basketball program)
– Facilities
– Expectations (e.g., 16 out of 17 NCAA tournament bids not enough)
– Existing talent
– Potential to recruit more talent
– Status of program (nationally known? top 25? etc.)
– Program tradition/history
– Alumni relationships (thinking about reaction to Charlie Strong here)
– Strength of conference/competition
– Quality of fan base (i.e., how much do fans care?)
– Quality of city/lifeObviously, not all of these are equal, and reasonable people will weigh them differently.
In comparing State after Lowe was fired to Texas after Barnes was fired, how do the programs compare? In comparing State now to Texas now, how do the programs compare?
I know I am biased, but it seems like the State job is better to me. But I ask this because we were turned down by Smart and perhaps Texas wasn’t. Is it just the passage of time and changing circumstances and perspectives, or does it suggest that the Texas job is better?
He said the NBA was facving the same problems and they cleaned it up by having the refs call the game correctly.
It’s easier to fix officiating in the NBA than in college basketball, due to smaller number of refs and single hierarchy.
I think it makes sense to align many of the rules with the NBA. Why not make the 3PT line the same? (add 3 feet) It’s not like the college guys can’t hit it, they will adjust. There may be a temporary dip in shooting percentage, but it won’t last.
Agree with moving the 3 point line out, which should create more driving and offensive flow and creativity.
Shorten the shot clock. Going all the way to 24 with one leap might be too much, but dropping it down to 30 would be an improvement. Most possessions, more opportunities to score.
I would support this, although the counter to this is that shorter possessions could just as easily result in even more forced bad shots at the end of the clock.
In today’s game, teams often waste the first 20 seconds of every possession without actually threatening the defense. If you drop 5 seconds off the shot clock, it just means they will now waste the first 15 seconds instead of the first 20 seconds. It still will often come down to running offense in the final 15 seconds of the clock, which would be unaffected by this change.
Still, more possessions would likely be an overall improvement.
Widen the lane to 16 feet (+4 feet) and the restricted area (+1 foot). I think that can only help the game, it will make driving the basket more common.
Agree with this. Better flow, more opportunities for creativity.
And here’s a nutty idea, add a 4 point shot. Anything beyond half court is worth 4 points.
Definitely do not support this.
The bottom line is that everything Gott has done from a recruiting standpoint since he arrived has given us reason not to worry about it.
As rye pointed out above, there are many sources of recruits, and there is every reason to believe we will get one or more who can help the team. There is also every reason to believe Gott will not waste scholarships on warm bodies, since to date he has not done that.
I’d really love to see him keep wearing an NC State uni.
Agreed.
He just needs to improve his defense.
He needs to improve quite a few things to earn more minutes at the expense of Abu, Anya, and Freeman:
1. Defense – all fundamentals, fouling
2. Offense – Shooting percentage, shot selection, free throw rate, offensive reboundingAll the offensive stuff is related. He takes too many long jumpers, which leads him to have the worst shooting percentage, free throw rate, and offensive rebounding rate of the four bigs. He has good range for a big man, but it is rare that it benefits the team for him to be shooting long range jumpers instead of operating closer to the basket, especially when he is typically one of just two bigs on the floor.
When you combine that with the fact that his defense also is lacking, particularly in comparison to Freeman and Anya, it’s easy to see why he lost playing time.
That said, the physical skills and talent are there. I definitely think he can earn more minutes if he stays and works hard enough.
I agree if Virginia loses Anderson they should take a step back. I should have also noted that there are still quite a few highly ranked recruits who could change things based on where they end up.
there are going to be A LOT of ACC teams that you will see improve next year as well
Teams that finished ahead of us this year:
– UVA – Only lose Atkins. Should start a JR and 4 SRs next season. May be better.
– Duke – Lose Okafor, Winslow, and Cook. No doubt will bring in good recruits but not that good. Should take a step back.
– Notre Dame – Lose Grant and Connaughton. Big step back.
– Louisville – Lose Blackshear and presumably Harrell. Only returning player who scored more than 4.1 ppg is Rozier. Young team. Should take a step back.
– UNC – Should lose no one who matters. Probably will add good recruits. Should be better.That illustrates opportunity for State and possibly other programs to move up. State loses Turner and Lee but gains Henderson, and should move up.
I predict the top 4 next season will be UVA, Duke, UNC, and State, not necessarily in that order.
Whatever is keeping Washington off the floor needs to be fixed. I still couldn’t believe he didn’t play the last 5 minutes when he was our only scoring threat inside. (and outside too).
Did you not see him get abused on defense? That is the thing keeping him off the floor, and deservedly so.
In rematches this year we are 1-2.
Incorrect. We played 6 teams twice: Wake, Pitt, UVA, UNC, Duke, and Clemson. In those rematch games, we were 3-3. We defeated Pitt, UNC, and Clemson in the rematches and lost to Wake, UVA, and Duke in the rematches. UVA was the only team to defeat us twice.
Not that this has any bearing on Friday’s game…
Hoping we get to play an actual rubber match game this season, whether vs. Duke or UNC.
I recall an announcer saying Anya gained some of the weight back, but it helps him be more immovable inside.
I recall that also. But I also saw Gott’s remarks about Anya after he had a good game recently. Gott said if he works hard enough this offseason, he can be one of the best players in the country. Remembering how Howell, Warren, and Vandenburg transformed their bodies under this coaching staff, I am expecting them to push Anya to take the weight back off.
Speaking of Freeman, State is 16-4 with him in the starting lineup this season, and 6-9 with him out of the starting lineup. Extending to include last season, State is 24-7 with Freeman in the starting lineup and 20-20 with him out of the starting lineup.
It will be interesting to see Gott’s lineup decision next season if Anya has a good offseason and sheds more weight. It will be hard for him to leave any one of Abu, Anya, or Freeman out. Good problem to have.
you are taking Villanova lightly at your own peril
Villanova had a great season. But their best victory by RPI was over VCU. Their second best victories were wins over Providence. That is fairly underwhelming.
Meanwhile, State beat Duke at home. Duke is better than Villanova. They also beat UNC and Louisville on the road, both more impressive wins than any of Villanova’s wins. So there is no doubt State is good enough to beat Villanova on a neutral floor. There is also no doubt that State can lose to almost any team, and can certainly lose to a team as good as Villanova.
Obviously, Villanova is the favorite. Duh. But State has a solid chance to beat them. And that’s why State’s fan base is excited about the matchup.
There are many fans here who are far too willing to jump on the players and/or the coaching staff at a moment’s notice. It seems that a lot of fans actually want the team to fail.
That is not how true fans should behave. It is fine to be frustrated, but fans should be able to follow the team without constant serious negativity.
