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Why wasn’t he playing the ball? Because when he turned to do that the receiver pulled him down. BS call and non-call.
Brissett played such a great half and then really choked up at the end of the second to last drive. He threw the shovel pass when it was obvious Samuels had no room, and really hung Dayes out to dry on the last pass. Plus, on the second down play, he should have been milking the clock but snapped the ball with 16 seconds remaining on the clock. Reminiscent of similar late half clock issues earlier this year, which a 5th year senior should not have.
Moving on, agree we should not attempt any more FGs unless in extreme situation (down/distance, end game). XPs might be okay, but I’d be fine with going for 2. The thing is, if he makes this decision firmly, it opens up the playcalling, since 4th down is in play on Clemson’s side of the field.
IMO we will have to be +1 or better on turnovers in the second half to win.
Agree with consensus on Notre Dame. Not only did they lose their best player Grant, they also lost their second best player Connaughton.
Agree Louisville looks a bit high as well. They lost a number of starters and they might actually lose Pitino before season end.
I expect State to finish in the 4-6 range.
There are several HOF signal callers playing right now, and I agree Rivers ought to be one of them. I see these as near certain HOFers:
Brady
P. Manning
E. Manning
Rodgers
Brees
RiversPotential HOFers:
Roethlisberger
Luck
Ryan
Wilson
NewtonI’d like to be wrong about this, but IMO Rivers has a lot of work to do to get into serious HOF consideration.
Everyone would agree that Peyton, Brady, and Brees are HOF locks, and Rivers’ career has directly and fully overlapped with their careers.
Given that Eli, Roethlisberger, and Rivers entered the league at the same time, it is a very natural comparison between them, and I expect that Roethlisberger and Eli are both well ahead of Rivers in the minds of the voters. First, both of them play in big/popular NFL markets on the East coast, whereas Rivers performs in relative obscurity (East coast media bias and all that). Second, Ben and Eli each have two Super Bowl championships, while Rivers has not been to the Super Bowl. I think the voters will be smart enough to recognize that Rivers has been better at playing QB, but they will ultimately decide that the championships trump the edge Rivers has in various metrics.
I assume everyone would agree that Rodgers has proven himself to be a better QB than Rivers (and just about everyone else) and will be a HOF lock.
So… as of today, I think there are at least 6 of Rivers’ peers ahead of him for HOF consideration.
The HOF currently has 23 QBs who were inducted in its modern era, which is defined as meaning the majority of the players’ careers happened in the 1950s or later. Favre and IMO Warner are set to join them, which will bring it to just 25 QBs inducted for 60+ years of football. It is not a low bar.
IMO HOF worthiness usually involves three main considerations: winning, especially in postseason; statistics; and honors/awards. Rivers should have compelling statistics, but that is only one of the three criteria. As of today, he would be judged to be lacking in both of the other two.
Rivers has never been 2nd team All Pro, much less 1st team; he has never won a major award, like MVP, OPOY, etc.; and he has not been to the Super Bowl and has a losing postseason record. I don’t believe there is a single QB in the HOF today or in the group of expected HOFers named above for whom all three of those things are true.
If Rivers wins a Super Bowl, I think it will put him over the top and he will get in, though it will probably take him a long time. If he doesn’t, it seems like a long shot for him to make it.
It would definitely help if he could carry his early season performance this year all the way through to the end of the season. Unfortunately, he won’t have a shot at MVP if the Chargers can’t turn around their record and make the playoffs, but maybe he could crack the All Pro team or even have a shot at OPOY.
Tau. I’m one of the dumb posters, but hear me out.
The season is never lost, or even considered lost after a weird 1st loss(and I do mean it,) and an ass handling on the road.
So…ya don’t even think that sh#t.
Now…changeup,is a different story. I have no doubt that if they think a spark is needed, from where a damp match is seen, they will insert a dry Blue Tip.
…but it won’t come from a lost season frame of mind.
I don’t think you are a dumb poster. Or Grey, either. I have read calls for McClendon on other sites and was simply trying to gauge the feel of the posters on this site.
I was asking for the collective opinion of the smart posters here. I was not advocating.
“If the season is lost, then it is more reasonable to shift to the long view.”
Sorry Tau, since this was not a question I had trouble knowing you were asking a question. Had you put a question mark after the above sentence it would have helped understand that you were asking a question. Switching the “it” and the “is” around making it a question rather than a statement might have also helped.
Sorry, Grey. Here you are actually quoting a single sentence out of context. Surprise.
I opened this exchange with this: “Serious question. If this season turns into a death spiral, will Doeren start playing McClendon to get him reps for the future?”
Clearly a question. Stated as a question, and with a question mark and everything.
After you ripped my post, I stated this: “If there comes a point where the team cannot achieve its objectives for the season, and if the staff expects McClendon to be the QB next season, then it could benefit both McClendon and the program long term… If the season is lost, then it is more reasonable to shift to the long view. I’m not saying it should be done, I was just asking the question.”
Notice that I used 3 ‘ifs’ and a ‘could’ in that post. And then clarified that I was asking for opinions.
I get that reading comprehension is not always a strong suit of message board posters, but you seem to be pretty far off base here.
Tau: I don’t think we’re all in. I think we’re in at a level around 20th – 25th:
Witchita State just paid $3.3M for Marshall which is 50% more than we pay Gott. It represents 15% of their athletics budget. That’s all in.
Smart just agreed to $3.1M average over 7 years at UT plus bonuses. He made $1.8M at VCU.
Now, that’s not to say that we should go and pay Gott 15% of our budget and expect we’d see better results. You can look at that list and see a Crean or a JT3 who make more but haven’t delivered more. Money doesn’t guarantee success.
It’s just to say that I don’t think we’re really all in for basketball. We’ve upped our game, but if we want to get to the promised land, there are seemingly a lot of programs ahead of us in this list, and those are the programs we’re competing with in the ACC, NCAAs, etc..
We have Gott under contract, and there is no reason to believe he is going anywhere, so no need to give him a raise today. So if we were to spend more money on basketball, what is it that we lack? I don’t perceive that we short our recruiting budget. I don’t perceive that we lack facilities. We are apparently going to build a new state of the art basketball dorm already.
I’m just not getting exactly what we would spend more money on to move from not being “all in” to being “all in”. I guess I don’t see that your statements on this really hold water. To put it another way, we could just bump Gott’s salary up enough to put us “all in” in your way of thinking, but we’d have the same coaches, facilities, etc. Why would the money spent in that situation make any difference?
It seems what you are really saying is that if we were “all in” we would pay a high enough salary to draw a higher quality coach (and staff). But, frankly, I’d rather have Gott than Marshall or Smart. Am I in the minority on that?
I agree, I’m sure Brissett’s teammates don’t feel as critical of him as the fans. But it is the coaching staff, not the players, who have to make such decisions.
If he is making decisions based on what the fans think, God help him.
I never suggested he should make any decision based on what the fans think, but feel free to make up more strawmen to rail against.
If the season is lost, then it is more reasonable to shift to the long view. I’m not saying it should be done, I was just asking the question.
Nobody asks a question like that unless they know or think they know the answer.
IMO unless Doeren thinks McClendon is the better QB, he’d best not throw the towel in while the players still have a chance to win games and have a successful season for the seniors. If the HC quits on his team, he may as well start looking for an assistant’s job somewhere.
I was asking for the collective opinion of the smart posters here. I was not advocating.
Serious question. If this season turns into a death spiral, will Doeren start playing McClendon to get him reps for the future?
Do you really think throwing McClendon into a “death spiral season” is going to benefit him or the team? I don’t think Brissett’s teammates feel the same as the experts on these boards.
If there comes a point where the team cannot achieve its objectives for the season, and if the staff expects McClendon to be the QB next season, then it could benefit both McClendon and the program long term.
I agree, I’m sure Brissett’s teammates don’t feel as critical of him as the fans. But it is the coaching staff, not the players, who have to make such decisions. If the season is lost, then it is more reasonable to shift to the long view.
I’m not saying it should be done, I was just asking the question.
I agree JB is not the biggest problem. He is doing his best, his best just isn’t good enough in combination with the talent around him on offense and the playcalling.
Serious question. If this season turns into a death spiral, will Doeren start playing McClendon to get him reps for the future?
I agree that Seattle should emerge as the next best contender in the NFC. Obviously, Seattle can beat Green Bay, as they have beaten them 3 times since Wilson arrived. However, all of those wins were in Seattle and this year’s loss was in GB. Green Bay has a 3 game lead over Seattle for home field advantage, which will be tough to overcome if Rodgers stays healthy.
IMO New England has to be viewed as the heavy favorite to reach the Super Bowl again on the AFC side. Hoping for a Seattle-NE rematch with Seattle winning this time.
IMO many fans have overestimated the strength of the passing game.
Dayes and Samuel are the two leading receivers on the team (by number of receptions), with a combined 43 of the team’s 98 completions. Samuels also has 4 of the 7 receiving TDs for the team. The passes to these guys tend to be short passes, with most of the yardage coming after the catch. The passing game has not looked very good on medium or long passes.
IMO this is a combination of mediocre play by QB, OL, and downfield targets. I don’t think it is the playcalling, since yesterday it looked like there were many such plays available that were missed or not executed properly.
Was yesterday an aberration? Will the team get better in this area? If not, it’s going to be a long season on offense, as opponents will feel comfortable playing closer to the line of scrimmage, making it harder on the running game and short passing game.
