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Heart says Clemson. Brain says Alabama. They beat Clemson in another classic and then beat the Georgia/Oklahoma winner (I’m not sure who that will actually be).
As for the sports media, Logan is a good one. Glenn is absolute garbage that I’m ashamed to say I’ve heard from time to time.
I thought Tennessee would go after Fuentes. He’s already had success in state.
If I were FSU, I’d be targeting someone with experience in the state of Florida.
That picture suggests Hux will be around a while. I don’t see how one could love DD yet want Hux gone as they are seemingly one and the same. It just does not compute.
That kid reminds me of Brandon Spoon who played at UNC in the late 90s. He was big, strong and fast (sprinter in high school). We can only hope Wilso turns out to be the same caliber of football player.
That’s why TOB told him he would have to compete for the position. If he knows he is better than Glennon he shouldn’t have been all worked up over having to compete.
Sorry, but that’s not how it went down. Wilson ASKED to be able to compete for the position in the fall. He knew he could beat out Glennon in fall camp. TOB told him that he would NOT be able to compete for the position. If he wanted to play, he had to be there in the Spring. The thing is that NC State had already make a commitment to Wilson on baseball, that was bigger than TOB.
The guy that curiously gets a free pass in all of this is Glennon — the one who actually made the ultimatum of “play me or I transfer.” If Wilson were back, Glennon was not. He was taking his ball and going home. TOB took two guaranteed years of Glennon versus Wilson possibly being back in the fall, and bought himself another year as a head coach. It had been clear prior to that that TOB preferred Glennon, but I don’t think that was at play here as much as natural self preservation by TOB.
It was crystal clear what was going to happen when Wilson was sent out with the seniors on Senior Day. I was in the stadium that day. That whole Spring ball thing was the excuse, but the ultimatum had seemingly already been laid out near the end of the previous season.
I don’t want to rehash that, or any of the TOB era. I didn’t like that hire, didn’t really like TOB as a coach, didn’t like how that situation played out, didn’t like the complete lack of commitment to developing an OL, didn’t like Mike Archer as a DC, didn’t like the S&C plan, etc.. I was and still am glad the TOB era, as well as almost all links to Lee Fowler, is over.
With the DD hire, it was a roll of the dice, but one that seemed reasonable at the time. Now the discussion is about how we manage DD, and what we do going forwards. We’ve got him 5 more years and at more $$$. Is that coming with raised expectations? What’s he going to do to fix the glaring issues (4-2-5, special teams, media relations, red zone offense)?
If wins and losses are the bottom line, then Bible and Drink look very similar to me. One could argue that Bible had some much better overall records on teams he coached. I didn’t love what Bible did with Glennon because I hated that we conceded the run (that scheme was perfect for Wilson), but Drink’s not the OC savior that some make him out to be. His one year at Boise was the WORST offense (and more importantly record) they’ve had in the last decade. They saw an immediate uptick the year after he left.
I’m not saying fire Drink. I’m just saying let’s be balanced. Are we better than the sum of the parts? I’m not so sure we were. I’d be rewarding the OL, RB and WR coaches. The parts are in place to do a lot. Hopefully the QB commit comes in and is the real deal, and we can say the same about Drink.
That 5 plays from 11-1 garbage is a strawman. It totally ignores what might have happened afterwards. The ONLY time a statement can be made about a single play is on the last play of the game, when the clock expires. It also ignores that we probably had 5 plays that helped get us to 8-4.
I’d say we were 8-4. That is exactly what I predicted. We did a lot of good things and have some things to fix as well (kicking, 4-2-5 scheme, red zone offense, etc.). Let’s go and roll up the sleeves and get better at the areas we clearly need to improve on. Talent and getting that class in is another one of them.
What we’ve done with this move is ensured that Yow will retire before we hire another football coach. I’m fine with that. A new AD is going to want to hire the football coach. I think that KK and Moore will be hires they’re happy to inherit. Avent will probably be set to retire in the next few years. My prediction is 3-5 years from now the fan base will think that DD = football version of HWSNBN. I would argue that it’s slightly different because of the inputs in football and basketball, and HWSNBN results may be perfectly acceptable (and lifetime contract worthy) at NC State.
I don’t think Drink is a better OC than Bible. Bible put two straight QBs in the NFL, and did it with a OL that was 1/2 as good as the one we have now. Bible was probably TOB’s best assistant.
I know the boards hate Hux, but I just cannot believe that DD isn’t heavily involved in the defense. I hate the 4-2-5 (at least how we play it), but is that decision Hux’s or DD’s?
I like the OL, RB and WRs coaches. Spend some of that keeping the three of them happy. Spend some
More on an actual Special Team’s coach. Spend some on Thunder because the team looked in shape to me.I don’t think he overplayed his hand. He got exactly what he wanted.
I don’t think he had any real leverage, but I agree that he got what he wanted. I actually think that Yow got what she wanted too. She didn’t want DD to walk away. Do that and she likely would not have been allowed to pick the next coach. The best thing for her would be if DD were still around.
The question became how to get the $$$ people to agree to a bigger deal. Tennessee and the rolling ticker on the bottom of ESPN last night evidently got that done. Win/win/win for Yow, DD and his agent.
I suspect we’ll revisit this in a couple of years. I could be pleasantly surprised though.
My question is to the Greys of the world. Do you still love all things DD? I pretty much view him the same as I did before.
As for DD, who knows what will happen. We just don’t want to overpay in a contract we cannot get out of later. Thats the most important aspect.
That is the most important part. He’s two game 12 wins against UNC from us possibly already having to deal with a buy out. If he leaves, so be it, but do NOT overpay with anything guaranteed to get him to stay.
At one time, didn’t Gott and Doeren have the same agent?
Yep. It was rumored, but never confirmed that Yow did as well. I don’t think the latter is true, but there is clearly a relationship with that agent, which is part of how we got DD in the first place.
1. At this level… they don’t make a formal offer without first confirming a 97%++ assurance of acceptance…
As poorly as Tenn’s search is being run, I don’t know if I believe that in this instance. Maybe DD does have a formal offer, and if so, good for him. Maybe there’s a handshake deal, like what we had with Calipari. We’ll find out more in a few days. I still think that it is likely he is our coach next year.
I don’t know our budget situation well, but also wonder to what extend the Gottfriend buyout hogties Yow’s hands in terms of salary flexibility. I know we went relatively cheap on KK base to start, but it’s my understanding we’re still paying Gottfried. Are we impacted by that bad hire?
Not only was it a bad hire, which some of us were pretty vocal about, it was a god awful contract renewal. Gott wasn’t leaving for UCLA, and we threw a king’s ransom in guaranteed money at him. This smells like a very similar situation, for very similar results, with some of the same parties…………..
If DD did walk, it’d show me that Yow had learned something. If we hear him back with more base (less incentives based) and more buy out, then I would argue that it is time for her to go (and I like her). I hate to say it, but it is looking like lose/lose for the AD.
I think the announcing was fairly pro-Penn State. After they got up 11-0, we pretty much crushed them right up until letting them back in the game near the end. The narrative was that the Big 10 is a great conference, that Penn State has all the pieces, etc.. NC State is some pieces away and not a NCAA tournament team. Yet, what does the score board and the eyeballs show? NC State looked better to me.
What does that really mean? Does that mean that the ACC is just that much better than a winner in the ACC/Big10 challenge over a team that is going to make noise in the Big 10 may not have that opportunity in the ACC? Maybe so, but if so, then some of that narrative probably needs to change.
Of course that gives the announcers more credit than is deserved. They’re merely saying what crosses between their ears in the moment and pairing that with their pre-game research (if they bother to do any of it). Moral of the story? Mute the games and they’re better.
Regardless, I liked the win. I didn’t think Penn State was good outside of one player, but that one player is quite the shooter. Any time a guy can shoot 65% from 3 (and that’s what he was doing prior to last night), you’ve got to guard him and that can create a dangerous team.
When they came out hot and we were stumbling, I have to admit that I was worried that the Bahamas hangover was still going. We turned up the pressure and really didn’t look back. I thought Penn State looked incredibly winded right before the half and we were really close to running them out of the gym. Yurt looked great. Keatts goes with the hot hands. Only down sides are Abu’s knee and Hicks’ injury.
My god, we’re actually playing ball according to JPG. An improved offer? I wouldn’t give him a dime more given he’s been out courting. He let Canada go for similar reasons (well and other reasons).
I would double down on a handful of assistants though. If that’s the improved offer, then I’m fine with it. DD though wouldn’t get another additional dime out of me.
I don’t think Tenn is desperate enough to hire DD. If they are, then so be it. Unlike NC State, they won’t give him 5 years to get to 8-4 and spend some of the year in the top 25. He’s got 3 tops. He’s going to have to up his game quickly.
While I don’t think DD is particularly smart, he’s not dumb either. If he fails at NC State, he won’t get another head coaching gig that is going to pay like ours. He’s got two options:
1) Leverage whatever market value he has to get the most guaranteed dollars from us. That’s base salary, but more importantly buy out.
2) Get as much as he can out of UT in base and buy out. If he can make more in 3 years there with the buy out than he could in 5-7 here if successful, then he’d be a fool not to take that.The good thing for Tennessee fans is that they know on some level that if DD (or another candidate) doesn’t work out, they’ll be proactive in solving the problem. At NC State, we’ll give a guy like DD a lifetime contract and build him a statue made from the muffler bowl participation trophies.
It could work for both parties. Tennessee has so many built in advantages that the talent alone (and money for assistants) could allow DD to show quick improvement. I’m also not convinced that the conference is as good as it was 5 years ago. Sure it is top heavy (Alabama, Auburn, Georgia were all good this year), but the bottom isn’t scaring anyone. UT isn’t exactly going up against a murderer’s row of coaching talent either, and the East isn’t what it was 20 years ago. Florida is down. Is Smart the real deal at Georgia? Will Muschamp? Vandy and Kentucky? Looks ripe for the pickings to me. If I were DD and Tennessee offered me the numbers that worked with my calculations, I’d take it.
I don’t have a problem with the man interviewing. I tell people to do that all the time, but be up front with their boss that they’re doing it. Word always gets back….
We may well have DD next year, but if so I would never t give him a dime more than the automatic extension. I would up the contracts of the assistants that I thought were good. From the outside that looks like OL, RB and WRs.
DD may walk as well. I think Tenn would be foolish to hire him, but I may be wrong. He’ll have some built in advantages there that he doesn’t have here but he is going to have to get much better at his weaknesses very quickly. They’re not going to give him an 0-8 season regardless of what he inherited.
If DD walks, I’d give Kitchigs a try as the head man. There is quite a bit of good with the program but also quite a number of issues as well. Kitchinga has seen it all, as well as TOB, so maybe he can make the needed changes (like Dabo did).
I’m not a “told ya so” person but it is nice to see some coming around. My read on this thing a few weeks back was that DD would be trying hard to find his next thing. This hasn’t surprised me at all. Remember how quickly he left N. Illinois to come here. He left effectively in the middle of the night, before the biggest game in their program’s history, but also seemingly before it becoming glaringly obvious against FSU just how much of a house of cards that really was….
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Reports of Dave Doeren interviewing with Tennessee today are inaccurate. So is the one about “close to taking” the Ole Miss job.Smells like people trying to put things out there to raise DD’s market value, and get a big deal with guaranteed money pushed through….
I’ve officially removed my name from consideration after possibly meeting with UT about a job vacancy.
TheAliasTroll: I don’t think he’s getting an offer from UT. I think he’s putting his name out there for two reasons:
– Raise his value in negotiation with NC State
– Letting other schools know that he might listenIf Brohm from Purdue goes to Tenn, then DD could ACTUALLY be in play with Purdue. That makes a lot more sense for DD.
If losing to an 8-4 (5-3) SEC team is a “bad loss,” we have a new status for NC State football. That’s my ‘half-glassed’ point of view.
A game that we go 2x the yardage, 2x the first downs, a huge time of possession advantage, etc., yet still lose is a bad loss. A game where we get clearly out coached by Will Muschamp is a bad loss. A game where we win every facet, but spot the other team 10 points on Special teams is a bad loss. Shrugs.
I don’t think S. Carolina is all that good, and I will go out on a limb and say that outside of Alabama, Georgia and Auburn, the mighty SEC isn’t that good this year. Clemson beat Auburn. Georgia’s best wins were GT and against a 3 loss ND team. Now, would NC State beat Auburn, Georgia or Alabama? Nope.
I’ve thought DD’s agent might be working the phones. It’s a great way to try and raise is perceived value for a bigger deal, more years, or a bigger buy out. Had DD lost to UNC this or last year, the narrative might well be very different, so if I were DD I’d be chasing guaranteed money.
If DD canceled recruiting trips for his CURRENT job then that’s bush league at best and unprofessional at worst. If that was the case, I personally wouldn’t extend him beyond the automatic rollover. If he did that, he’s not that committed to his current job.
If DD takes the Tenn job, so be it. Not saying I want him to leave, just saying if he’s blinded by the money offer over the reality of the expectations there, then good luck. Personally I think the Vol fans would scream if DD is announced as the new HC. It has been interesting watch another school play out a Lee Foulup caliber coaching search. More popcorn pleeze.
That’s kind of how I see it. If he leaves, he leaves. The sun will rise tomorrow. If he stays, then great. I hope he can build off of things and improve what needs improving (defensive scheme, special teams, red zone offense and media relations).
If he doesn’t like the fans and media treatment at NC State, then he’s going to have a very rude awakening at a place like Tennessee (if they were to actually hire him). They expect to win, and win yesterday. They’ve won a title, have 100k in the stadium every week, etc.. If he shows up in week 1 and calls out the fans, or goes 0-8 in season one like Butch did, he’ll be gone. It doesn’t matter what he inherited.
The good news would be though that they’d have the resources and willingness to win that we clearly don’t have. They also have some recruiting advantages. He’ll seemingly get paid more too. Maybe that grass is greener?
Earlier in the thread someone asked how BC fared after TOB left. The answer was better. They were fine right up until the AD and the coach had an ego fight and the AD got trigger happy. He then put in place a doormat, and things took a predictable turn.
The issue with HWSNBN and NC State was the hiring of Lowe. Had we hired better (e.g. Sean Miller), we’d have been fine. There was a lot to work off there, just like DD will leave a lot to work off of. I have more faith in Yow than I ever did in Lee.
Next we will hear that HWSNBNv2.football has withdrawn his name from consideration for the Tennessee job….. Hopefully Yow doesn’t panic and pull a Gott/UCLA.
I’m fine with DD being back. I’m also fine with him leaving. That grass may not be greener, and I’m not convinced he is actually in play at Tennessee.
I said 8-4 (5-3). S. Carolina was a bad loss. Wake at Wake was always a toss up game, but I thought it’d break our way.
Grey: I’m with you on half-full. It’s the best way to live because the only thing that we control is our attitude.
What I do mind in is the eternal sunshiner who can’t recognize that there are problems. The first way to fixing an issue is to recognize it. 😉
Football ended up this year pretty much where I thought it would. That’s not a bad thing. Rome wasn’t built in a day. If DD hits the eject button, he’s left us in a better place than he found us and I think it will be much easier for us to hire the person to take the next step. Both are valid options.
It may be time for Fisher to leave FSU. My sense is that he’s jumped the shark at FSU, and that it’s time to reset the clock. Get paid $$$ by TAMU and never work again. Makes sense to me.
Now if I’m TAMU, I’m not sure Fisher is a guy I’d break the bank over………… Of course, how many chances to they have to hire a coach who has won a national title?
UCLA made a great hire. They’re willing to color outside the lines, and Chip Kelly is about the best West Coast guy out there if you’re willing to do that. The irony is thick in the way that Oregon and UCLA have gone over the past couple of coaching changes.
Schiano to UT would have been about a bad of a fit as Butch Jones or Brett Beilema. It’s important to find a coach that fits a profile, and those two never did and Schiano wouldn’t in the SEC either. Schiano should be looking for a Big 10 job, or trying for UConn or Syracuse.
