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Bill, tractor, ancsu, etc.: I don’t think anyone is saying to fire Gott, at least I’m not. It’s just that I think we have probably jumped the shark (possibly in year 1), or at least we know about what we’re going to get with him. We’ll be a bubble team that will probably schedule our way in. We’ll typically be better at the end of the year than at the beginning. We’ll be a tough out in the ACC tournament and with the right match up could win a couple of games in the NCAAs.
We know the flaws too. They’re consistent year over year, regardless of players. Those flaws will what will keep us maddeningly inconsistent and not really ever breaking through.
Ironically, that’s kind of the definition of mediocre for a high major. When you factor in that we consistently have top 20 in attendance, and top 15 in overall program value, and at least one Burger Boy sitting on the bench at any time, it’s more like the definition of under achieving. I’ve seen several pieces of analysis that measure performance against various factors (brand value, money spent, talent, etc.), and NC State is the biggest underachiever in college basketball over the past 15 or so years.
The problem with hiring a coach like Gott is that they bring you to a very difficult decision. Are the results good enough? What is reasonably good enough given all the mediocrity that we’ve accepted since the late 80s? If not, how do you handle a transition? It’s always tougher to take good to great than it is to take bad to good.
I don’t believe the job was a tough sell last time. Yow undoubtedly made some rookie mistakes in the search, but I do NOT believe that we were turned down by all these candidates (like what happened with Fowler). It seems that we were waiting on Smart, and thought we had him wrapped up (probably a verbal agreement paired with something like “the lawyers are working out the final details”) and told other candidates that the guy was Smart. The way they all backed out within a 24 hour window clearly signaled they were told they weren’t it about the same time. Then Smart backed out, and we really were left holding the bag. Then there was the letter, and ultimately we landed Gott. Those other candidates couldn’t take the job given they’d publicly backed out.
Yeah, Gary was spewing vitriol and that may have had something to do with why Smart declined, but we had some really good candidates (Smart, Marshall, Cronin, Buzz and Archie and possibly Sean) who were clearly interested. We just mismanaged the end game and ended up with the only guy who didn’t have a current gig that he had to keep on the hook. The job was viewed as a good job though or we would not have had that caliber of candidates.
If a move were made at this point, the job would be a tough sell. It’s not a new AD wanting her guy in place after the last guy was an alum hire who was given a ton of time, but couldn’t get it done. Imagine trying to sell it after “X straight NCAA tournaments, and Yow and the fans still aren’t happy.” What kind of endorsement is there from Yow if she fired Gott after being so much in his camp? It will be about like the Fowler search after he’d called his fans the lunatic fringe and publicly painting a horribly inaccurate picture. Oh yeah, the ACC is tougher now too with the addition of Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt and UVA’s recent uptick. It’s not just Duke and UNC any more.
I suspect Yow is going to give Gott a very long leash. She really has no other choice (much as I said about DD when there were other suggesting otherwise).
I also suspect I know where this thing is headed. It’s not going to be pretty. The only question is how long it takes to play out and how much staff and player churn happens until the fan base sees the obvious.
I had to take care of the kids today, so I watched the game on replay. I’m glad I did because it was over by the 10 minute mark. I could zip through the rest and only waste about 20 minutes of my day. Thank goodness I didn’t try to watch this real time (or if I were local, if I’d have wasted money on this game).
If we wanted to go dancing this year, this was pretty much a must win game. Barring something unforeseen in a very top heavy, but RPI weak, ACC, we’re NIT bound this year. There’s more talent here than that.
I was critical of the Gott hire, but was hopeful I’d be proven wrong. We’re in year four, and have a roster full of Gott’s players. I never thought I’d say this, but we have less desire to play defense than Lowe’s teams, are getting similar production out of the PG position, and look about as lost against the press.
I’m afraid I know how this story ends. Wake me up in 4-5 years when Yow’s gone.
GoPack83: I’m with you. A lot of the comments just reek of sour grapes on our part. This past weekend we wanted him badly, and now he’s going grade and other issues? Come on. He’s the same kid as when we thought we had a chance. He just went another way.
The more I watch college sports, the more that I think playing time is important for reaching the next level. You need the time to improve, and you need the exposure that comes with it. If a kid really has NFL aspirations, and really is committed to putting in the work to get there, then I can’t blame them for taking the early PT route.
I wish him the best of luck in every game he plays in instead of ours. I’m not one that wants good kids to either go to NC State or go out of conference. For the conference to collectively improve, and for NC State’s external stature to improve with it, we really need all the conference teams keeping the best talent in their respective states.
The officiating was fine. It was a physical game, but WV had the fouls to show for it. Personally I hate that this is what the college game has gotten down to — where “good” teams foul on every move by every player and dare the officials to call them all. We’re not going to have many games this year when we shoot this many free throws, particularly given that we seemingly do not have much of a post game other than dunks and put backs.
The real issue was our horrific approach at the press break, particularly in the first half. I have seen YMCA teams with better spacing, an understanding of which players should receive the ball where and knowing not to let the timeline and the sideline create a four man trap. Our approach to breaking the press was terrible, and we seemingly never attacked the basket and made WV pay. When we had the big man as the outlet guy, sometimes WV had 3-4 men behind the timeline.
Heck, if you’re going to put a big man in the back court, make it BJ Anya solely for screening purposes. Rub the WV players off of him so hard that they think twice about running around blindly with a 2:1 man press.
I knew this game was over from the second they took their first 1 point lead. We obviously had an extremely flawed game plan.
The free throw shooting didn’t help. You can’t have a 90%+ free throw shooter miss two on a technical. We knew FT shooting was going to cost us some games, and this was one.
More than anything though, put this one in the books as a coaching loss. Louisville is going to be incredibly ugly.
Nice win in a must win game. We have another one against WV coming up on Saturday. The Wofford loss put us behind schedule, so we really need WV to get back on schedule.
The Cincy game looks tough. They’re big and physical, much like Purdue.
Clarksa: Nail/head. The numbers that are more telling about attendance trends are % of capacity. Granted, I have no clue where the ACC stacks up there. Probably low as well.
The ADs have no one to look at but themselves for poor attendance. The all mighty TV dollar drives game times, drags the games out longer which makes the overall in game experience worse. The ADs want more money from home games, so teams like our schedule complete patsies. Who wants to go see that? Then there’s the bombardment of advertisements within the games itself. If I’m watching ads, at least I can mute them at home. Then there’s all the conference re-alignment, which has killed a lot of rivalries, or just brought teams that conference members don’t care much about.
I didn’t attend a NC State football game in person this year for the first time in 30 years. Granted part of that was due to no longer living locally and having small kids which made travel tough. At the same time, I didn’t miss it.
Hmm… I didn’t find out the score and watched it on reply. Had I know what had happened, I’d have skipped that one.
Some thoughts:
– King Karl sent a statement early. Ahh, NC State and Gott, I’ve not been allowed to see you for a while and you’ve cost me some ACC pay checks. FU!!!!
– After that bush league move, the officiating was fine.
– The call at the end looked right to me on replay. The clocks weren’t fully in sync with the video, so it was hard to tell which one was right. I thought more evidence pointed “against” than “for” the shot being good.
– We lost due to two things — turnovers and inside play. Washington had his worst game of the year, and we struggled in the half court.
– I have to hand it to Wofford. They out played and out hustled us and just wanted it more. They were also really clutch.
– If home court is worth 7 points in college basketball, it’s worth 10 in Reynolds. Man I miss playing there. I was at State during the last 4 years of Reynolds and the first year of the ESA. There’s no comparison despite the fact that we had a better team when we were at the ESA. I say this as reference for those who might think they’ve romanticized an older memory, or for youngsters who are comparing these heritage level opponents to playing UNC or Duke at home in the ESA/PNC.
– It’s a @#($)*@#$ shame this Reynolds renovation project doesn’t make it a viable venue for a return for men’s basketball. Someone up high should mandate this be a priority, even if it costs $15M more. Why spend $35M, if it can’t do that. Arena’s seemingly have 30-40 year shelf lives, and we’re on year 15 at the ESA/PNC. That decision will be on us before we know it.
– On that last defensive play, I was hoping for a box and 1 with the 1 on the shooter and Anya guarding the ball in bounds, and turning immediately around to defend under the basket. V would have done something like that.
– As awful as the defensive play was, the offensive play to get the questionable 3 shot was a thing of equal beauty. That was a great look with a lot of court to cover and we had the ball in the best player’s hands. That’s all you can hope for.
– With 2 time outs remaining, I thought we wasted one when we took one of them to see which people Wofford had out there. Come on. They don’t have many options. We were going to need those time outs if they scored.
– I thought it was the right call not to foul. We needed all the time if they scored. Given Karl Hess was out there, I’d have almost guaranteed a controversial foul call had we had an intention to foul.
– RPI wise, that wasn’t a bad loss, but program wise it was. It was a trap game with us looking ahead to Tennessee (who just beat Butler), but it was a game we needed if we’re going to become the Top 25 type program that I want.
– We look young. Unless there’s a huge talent gap like Kentucky has this year, experience seems to be winning in college basketball.
– We’re going to stink this year against any grind them out type of team. We have to get out in transition and get the game up in the high 70s. We’re not going to win many in the 50s because we just don’t produce enough good looks in the half court with Cat running the point.
– Holding leads is going to be a problem this year. We didn’t do it last night, but have threatened to collapse in other games as well.
– Free throw shooting was outstanding though. We made the most of our trips to the line.Packfanistan: You’re kind of making my point. To look at this stuff, is more than just the front page. You have to take out the effect of NC State games. Let’s do that.
Luckie called 7 NC State games and 293 fouls were called in those games. Luckie’s crew averages 41.86 FPG in games where NC State is involved. He called 22 FPG against NC State.
Now that leaves 89 other games called by Luckie last year. He averaged 37.69 FPG called in those. Split that in half and that’s 19 FPG called on the average team that Luckie’s crews officiate. That means that Luckie called 16% more fouls against NC State than the average team.
Let’s look at his disqualifications due to foul outs. He fouled out 9 in our games, 6 of which were NC State players, 3 of which were Warren. So 2/3rds of those fouling out in Luckie called NC State games were NC State players, and 50% of the time, the State player that fouled out was named TJ Warren. In 7 games he fouled out 8 players, which is a rate of 1.14 DQs per game. NC State had a player foul out at a rate of .85 DQs per game. TJW fouled out at a rate of .43. Our opponents had .285 players DQ per game. That means we were 3 times as likely to have someone DQ’d as our opponents. It also means that TJW was 50% more likely to foul out than someone from the ENTIRE OTHER TEAM COMBINED.
Let’s look at his stats with NC State removed. He fouled out everyone else combined at a total rate of .85 players DQ’d per game for BOTH teams combined. That means that the average team had a foul out rate of .425 DQ’d.
Now let’s compare them:
– NC State at .85 DQs per game vs average other team at .425 DQs per game. That’s twice as likely that a NC State player is going to get DQ’d than the average team.
– TJW fouled out .425, which is the same rate as all the other teams on average. That means one guy was as likely to foul out as entire other teams.Again, it’s not like TJW was a fouler. This is previously discussed earlier in the thread.
So, that means in a Luckie called game, if anyone was going to foul out, 2 would be from NC State, one of which would be Warren, and one would be from the other team.
Does this not stick out at you as odd, or is it just that:
– Gott doesn’t coach defense and we don’t move our feet well (insert opine by many for the clutching and grabbing by UVA and Duke and look at their foul numbers)
– Play at a high pace (see UNC foul fallacy)Do you not see how this impacts games?
pakfanistan: Did you remove the games where Luckie officiated NC State when you did it? His numbers against us skew his overall numbers.
tjfoose1: I’ve done that. Luckie calls more fouls against NC State than he does against other teams he officiates. It’s in that old thread.
Tau837: Respectfully, that is incorrect. You don’t have to have that to understand massive statistical outliers.
Rick: Statsheet’s the best thing I’ve got for analyzing this.
Packfanistan: I may be a black helicopter guy. I certainly don’t think that in football though. Anecdotally, what I have seen over the past 10 years is reinforced by some of the statistical outliers.
Basketball is the game in the US, along with baseball that officiating plays the largest part of the game. In no other game that is popular in the US does the official make judgement calls on every play that impact the eligibility of the player in the game.
There’s known fact that basketball games have been manipulated via officiating. It’s clearly obvious that Swof’s dirty and runs the conference in a pro-UNC fashion. It’s also obvious that Duke/UNC have been colluding for mutual benefit.
The numbers are the numbers in the vacuum. They’re just more alarming in the greater context, which is what you’re talking about.
Cowdog: I respect you and your posts. Please don’t lump me in with anyone who might have some sort of ax to grind.
You asked me to look into Hull and Dorsey.
Here’s Hull:
– NC State was 1-4 in games that Hull officiated. The lone win was against App State. We were 0-4 in league games with him.
– Hull officiated 4 rather questionable NC State games — the WF loss, the Syracuse loss up in the Dome and Pitt loss where we had a huge lead early yet somehow fouled more than Pitt as they pushed us around to get back into the game and ultimately win. He also coached our 15 point home loss to Miami where Warren fouled out.
– TJW with Hull? He fouled out 2 of the 4 games, or 50% of the time.Here’s Dorsey:
– Dorsey called 5 games last year. They included that home jobbing against UNC (up big and lost), the ACC tournament loss to Duke, and that odd ball game against WF. He called our game down at Coral Gables that we won and at home against Long Beach State.
– There’s a little less that jumps out at me regarding Dorsey, but I’ve not looked into it as much.It definitely makes you go “hmm.” I’ve picked Luckie because of the obvious linkage, but it appears that Hull and Dorsey could also be quite bad.
Personal attacks aside, I’m actually serious in my inquiry. If you look at the link of last season’s thread about this topic, you’ll see a lot of “don’t want to talk about this” or “you don’t know what you’re talking about” type of comments.
Let’s just look at the targeting of TJW in games that Luckie called. We didn’t know it at the time of that thread, but that was the ACC player of the year.
When’s the last time the ACC player of the year got such bi-polar treatment? It sure didn’t happen to Hansborough, Zeller, Lawson or Nolan Smith. Here’s a foul comparison:
– Hansborough: 1. 3 foul outs in 4 years. Hansborough only had 77 fouls called against him the entire season, which was good for 705th in the nation.
– Zeller: 2. 2 foul outs in 4 years. His 2 foul outs his senior year were good for 552nd in the nation.
– Lawson: 0. He fouled out 2 times in 3 seasons, both his freshman year.
– Smith: 0. He fouled out 1 time in 4 years, as a sophomore.One could argue that Lawson and Smith were guards and therefore less prone to fouling. That doesn’t explain the Zeller and Hansborough numbers. Hansborough in particular played the most physical inside game that I’ve seen in 20 years in the ACC, and drew more fouls than any player in league history. Yet, he seemingly never fouled out?
What about the tempo adjusted stats for UNC players? They’re even more staggering. UNC should have more fouls because they get more possession, yet they somehow amazingly foul less?
Now, let’s re-look at TJW, the ACC player of the year. Warren fouled out 5 times last year, which was the 3rd highest foul out rate in the ACC. He had the 7th most fouls called on him in the entire league at 94. Okay, so it looks like he fouled a lot, but let’s take a closer look.
TJW fouled out 3 times in the regular season. All three times were games that Luckie called. Luckie called 5 NC State regular season games, and Warren fouled out a staggering 60% of them, while not fouling out in another regular season game all year.
Warren committed 97 fouls last year, but 22 of them were in 5 regular season games that Luckie called. So, 22% of his fouls came from the 5 games where Luckie was involved. Those 5 games represented only 13% of the total games that we played. Putting it another way, in those five games, his foul rate was 4.4 fouls per game. In all the other games, it was 2.41. That’s a 82% greater foul rate when Mr. Luckie is on the whistle.
The numbers just don’t add up.
Bill: I actually think Lacey as the PG and Barber as the 2G may end up working well. It could be shades of Harrow down at G. Southern. He never really broke out until he got back to just scoring like he did in High School. Barber broke Iverson’s scoring marks, which suggests to me that he’s a scorer first and just isn’t a natural point.
It may not be the best thing for Lacey, but it may be the best thing for Barber and the team. Something tells me that Lacey cares more about winning than he does about scoring 4 extra PPG.
I also think that Lacey left Alabama for more reasons than wanting to play 2G. I suspect a lot of it had to do with the complete lack of offense that Grant plays. Or, heaven forbid, he could have just liked Gott? I mean, he did commit to him very early originally.
I also suspect a year on the bench matured him, and a year of watching TJW probably showed him just how big the talent gap is for a NBA level player. He’s one of the few who seems smart enough and mature enough to see a more realistic end game. He may have thought he was NBA bound when he left Alabama, but may have gained perspective last year.
Well, it’s as corrupt as it has always been, and that was on display. That was the Power 5 conference affiliation making another step towards their agenda.
I’ve argued that in the age of the playoff, the leagues with the best chances to put teams in the playoff (and multiple teams when this thing goes to 16, which it inevitably will) will be the conferences without conference championship games. Look at Baylor and TCU. Neither took a loss that moved them down, like GT, Mizzu, Arizona, etc. did. They’re perfectly positioned for making an 8 or 16 team playoff. Even in a 16 team playoff, championship game losers like Mizzu, GT and Wisconsin might have been on the outside looking in.
I thought this might actually reverse the trend, eliminate championship games, add another conference game to the schedule as opposed to a cupcake, and ultimately signal smaller conferences. It’s much easier to grab one of those 8-16 play off slots from a weaker league, than playing some murderer’s row schedule and then have to navigate a championship game. Drop that championship game, and insular leagues (I’m looking at you SEC) would jump at another in-conference game to risk the chance of being exposed in the non-conference.
Well, this sent a clear message. Those conference championship games clearly make money, the Power 5 leagues want to continue their Super-Conference consolidation plan, and no real change is coming. The most we can really hope for is a larger playoff.
I’ve watched all of those teams play this year. TCU looks better than Ohio State to me. Heck, Oregon and TCU look better than Alabama or FSU to me. They may not win head to head, but they have blown out almost everyone they’ve played, including some pretty talented teams. Alabama and FSU have both looked more shaky to me.
I’ll give it to Urban. The coaching job he’s done has been tremendous, and that was a dominating performance with a 3rd string QB. The Big 10 is weak though, and there’s no way they should have been rewarded in this fashion. Outside of Michigan State, I expect this to be a rough year for the Big 10 in bowls.
CowDog: Do we need to do the exact same exercise for Dorsey and Hull to prove there is clearly officiating issues in the ACC? Does this have to be UNC scandal bad for us to admit what we have all seen for the past 20 years?
I really like you and typically find you reasonable, but as I reviewed last year’s threads on this, my blood started boiling about the whole situation again. What would it take to get you to admit something is there.
I posted something in last year’s thread that I will repeat here. I KNEW FOR A FACT that NBA games were being manipulated by the officials a couple of years before it came out. NBA officials are higher paid, higher regulated, the oversight is provided by the league, the players are higher paid, so a game is actually more difficult to manipulate at the pro level than a college game.
If NBA officials were getting manipulated, why is it so hard to think that college ones aren’t as well? The ACC provides oversight for ACC officials, and it is in the ACC’s best interest to make certain things happen. It is much less a zero sum game than the NBA if the league were to manipulate officiating.
If all the UNC shenanigans over the past couple of years have taught us one thing, it should be that Swoff’s in it up to his eyes, has been for years, and has UNC’s best interest constantly at heart. Do you not think that keeping it’s biggest in-state and historical rival down is not one of his agenda points?
This kind of blatant cheating is part of why I no longer watch as much college basketball, can hardly watch full games that don’t involve NC State, why I’m becoming more of a college football fan than basketball (which I never thought I’d say), and just generally don’t like the ACC as a league. I don’t see this changing until Swoff is gone and house is cleaned with ACC officials.
statefans: Your wish is my command…….
It will be interesting to track the foul difference when Luckie calls State games this year. I pulled some stats (I think it was last season) and the difference in the number of fouls called and the number of NC State players fouling out, in his games versus all other NC State games, and all other games that he called versus NC State games was staggering. It was way, way too different to just be a statistical outlier.
In fact, as I write this, I remember that the numbers were especially skewed towards Warren. I think I found that Warren basically never fouled, but when Luckie called the game, he had 4 or 5 fouls every game.
We saw the same thing with Lacey tonight. The announcers said he’d committed 9 fouls all year coming into tonight’s game. Tonight he had 4. It seems like that trend is continuing.
Corrupt officiating and the ACC’s propping up of Duke/UNC at the expense of the league has really killed my love of college basketball. I don’t think either thing changes until Swof is gone, and those in charge of officiating are as well.
I’m afraid that a non-motivated Georgia team is enough to easily roll us. They have a huge advantage in the trenches.
Regardless, we’ll bowl where we bowl and face who we face. I just hope we play the best that we possibly can.
I was probably a little over the top on the “teams with a pulse” and the combined WF/UNC bit. I think it’s from some threads on another site about people actually thinking we’re ready to take on Georgia in the Belk Bowl. We’ll get our rears handed to us by Georgia, like we did against GT and Clemson (and really FSU after the first quarter). That was more my point.
I view Louisville and BC as fringe top 25 teams. We lost to them as well, but were more competitive. That’s kind of why I want us to bowl against a fringe top 25 team, which is my definition of “bowling down.” I’m comparing that with the Belk Bowl/Georgia situation. I’m not saying we need to play S. Alabama.
I’m seeing the Sun Bowl against Utah as a prediction from many. That will be a very tough game. My biggest concern about that would be whether the coaches can get the team ready to play against an opponent they know so little about. Utah has historically had some good squads, and they’re on the rise in the Pac12. Much better teams than our current one have lost to them in bowls.
As for the Wildcat, we’re going to have to agree to disagree. When you line up in a formation that puts the ball into the hands of a dual threat, then you have many more options than you do if you line up in a formation whose only option is to put the ball into the hands of a RB. There’s a reason that the old Veer style is dead. There’s also a reason that lining up in that packed formation you mention resulted in 3 TD passes against UNC. They were playing the run, and we threw. That’s not required against the Wildcat because 90% of the time it is a run.
I’m sure you’re right though. We’ll continue to see it next season. Hopefully like this one, when it doesn’t work, we will ditch it.
graywolf: I love your excitement and all, but I am not so sure that we improved so drastically as much as we hit the easy part of the schedule. If you pair WF’s defense with UNC’s offense and special teams, then you might have actually had a legitimate Power 5 conference team. That pairing probably would have beaten us, like anyone else with a pulse did all year.
I’m afraid that our fans are primed for a big let down if we draw anyone worth a flip in a bowl. I’m really hoping we bowl “down” against a team we can look good against. We’ll then have some momentum going into next year.
I can’t tell if your point about the Wildcat was meant in jest. I personally believe we have looked way better schematically on offense since ditching that garbage. We’re at least more balanced from a pre-snap perspective and harder to get a read on with respect to intent. That Wildcat was atrocious and was a wasted down at best.
JB has been inaccurate on long throws since last season’s Red and White game. He was the same at this season’s Red and White game. His biggest weakness is the deep ball.
If he works on that during the offseason, he could have a special senior campaign.
Grey: Imagine the two scenarios:
1) End on 3 game winning streak that includes 2 in conference blow outs against in state team + a bowl game. This is the likely scenario at a lesser tier bowl.
2) End the season on a loss getting pantsed on national television by a physically superior team. This is the likely scenario if we end up pitted against someone like Tennessee or Florida.I think it’s a lot easier to sell recruits with scenario #1 than it is on #2. Florida fires their coach because he stinks so badly and Tennessee is in the middle of a bad downswing. If we met them in a bowl game, and they embarrassed us given their current situations, I don’t see how that helps recruiting. It would just show how far away we actually are.
I’m not trying to be contrary, but I’m not sure that I agree with much of the sentiment in the posts.
First on NC State’s bowl, I’d rather us play in a lower tier bowl. Let’s be honest. We got handled by the 4 ranked teams we played this year, and in one swing game (BC). If we go into a bowl game against a team with a clear talent advantage, we’re going to get rolled, which will take away some of our momentum heading into next season or on the recruiting trail.
I’d rather Duke or ND go take a shelling. I’d rather us play some mid-tiered team from the Big 10, Big 12 or Pac 12 where we have a chance. Get the game over early, get to 8 wins and parlay that into some late recruiting.
With conference revenue sharing, I’m not that sure it really matters anyways who is where (so long as 1 of our teams is in that Final Four). We care that our teams win. I guess the fans that are traveling care, but most of these middle to lower tier games seem to be viewed primarily on TV.
As for Jimbo, I have no respect for him. He’s completely mishandled the Winston situation. I suspect if people really dug around, they’d find he was in cahoots with local media, law enforcement, etc.. College football is big business in Tallahassee, and I suspect they have “support structures” that are similar to UNC’s. If Jimbo were a man of character, he’d have dismissed Winston by now, championship and Heisman or not. I fully believe that kid is on the take.
As for Fedora, he’s perfect for UNC. He’ll be going no-where. I suspect he’s got enough dirt on them based on how they’ve tried to duck sanctions that he’ll have collateral to leave on his terms.
