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What’s the company line? Somewhere between 5-7 and 7-5? Might be worse, won’t be better.
No prizes are given out at the end of the season for being right. Could use market economic principles and buy shares of the final record to temper those who are optimistic (DD best coach ever) and those who are pessimistic (DD is the worst coach in NCSU history).
Ted Brown, TA McLendon and Andre Brown were all hosses in high school and important players in Wolfpack Football history. Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me what hardware they brought home in high school as I am only concerned about the hardware brought to West Raleigh.
Here’s to hoping that Frasier — who may not have their talent or style of play — can make important contributions to Wolfpack Football in his career. I make no predictions, but only wish him the best as I have done for those earlier players.
Dan Mullen’s Mr. Simmons can probably hit pretty hard coming across the line ….
maverick_ncsu,
It would be my pleasure to clarify these things for you. Others will provide even more clarification I am sure. It is important to understand the differences between events that led to decades of punishment for one University member organization to the current events where decades of infractions have not (yet) led to any punishment for another University member organization even though they have been public for years. You will not see this analysis in the main stream media, because they mostly went to the unpunished University member organization and still believe in what they used to call with great intensity, the Carolina Way.
First, the NCAA in the late 1980’s punished our school for not controlling complimentary tickets and shoes which some of our more capitalistic team members used to their advantage. This was one major violation which Mark Asher in the 12/13/1989 Washington Post quoted the NCAA Infractions Committee conclusion as saying, “In this case, the failure to exercise institutional responsibility concerned matters of omission, such as the absence of adequate compliance monitoring systems and slow responses to correct practices and procedures that the institution and its then director of athletics . . . should have recognized as fraught with potential for rules violations.”
This same article says there were “…four secondary violations, involving free meals, lodging and transportation, but said those violations had no impact on the sanctions imposed.”
Contrast this with the current situation at UNC-CHeats where the University implemented a program of no show classes that allowed [not student] athletes to maintain eligibility while not actually doing any academic work. Julius Peppers on the UNC-Cheats Dean’s List with a real GPA of 1.6, plagiarism from 5th grade papers from the Intranet, etc. While the response in Raleigh was to investigate and count the number of complimentary tickets that were mis-used and publicly acknowledge the short comings, the response in Chapel Hill (and in the UNC System Board of Governors office) has been to fight information coming out every step of the way.
SIX FREAKING MAJOR VIOLATIONS including ACADEMIC FRAUD. Complicity at the highest levels of the University Athletic Department (Dean E. Smith, et al), University Leaders (take your pick), UNC-CHeat Faculty (do they have any self-respect as they have been mysteriously quiet), UNC Board of Governors (how will this affect recruiting), former Governors of the Great State of North Carolina (Jim Martin and his [lack of] report).
There are so many misdeeds at UNC-Cheats that I can’t keep them all straight. There was something in there about lesbians and cupcakes, too, but I am too old to care.
I am more than happy for NC State’s program to be judged as long as the other program is actually judged. I believe that our worst player in the past would be an upgrade in intellectual quality for UNC-Cheats.
But it is not about the athletes (let them transfer out), there are many others who profited from this cheating and academic fraud. Bring them to account and punish the misdeeds. I call NOT upon the NCAA to do this, but the UNC Board of Governors. It is their responsibility. They are appointed by the State of North Carolina. They have the authority.
Of course, they don’t have the nuts.
Regards,
PKI think if Dooley is hired then its locked in stone that Gott is here for at least 2 more years.
A significant segment of SFN just went on suicide watch. It’s on you if anything happens to somebody. I hope everyone is well medicated.
I use to think we had a shot of upsetting the balance of power with current coach, but not looking so good. One could probably show where great coaches have had a first five years like Gott’s and then ignited, but this isn’t his first rodeo so we have some idea how he rides. It is all in Gott’s hands, however, and it is up to him (and his ability to sell to young men) to get it done. Many are right: the details don’t matter anymore, Gott just has to perform.
The big deal is whether the University Leadership (AD, Head Man, Chief Money Givers, etc) are committed and already executing a proactive search for the successor if Gott doesn’t get it done. If they are not already executing it’s too late. If some are thinking about retirement and others are thinking about other things, then it is too late. It is all in University Leadership’s hands, and it is up to them (and their ability to search for and convince great coaches, up and coming coaches, or future up and coming coaches — and their wives/husbands/significant others) to come and get it done. The details don’t really matter, University Leadership just has to perform.
Unless the extra $400,000/yr makes NC State complacent and happy with the results we’ve been getting. “Hungry” is not exactly a word I would use for NC State athletics. The desire for competition should lead to better results.
It is great that we have access to such money for non-revenue sports. I’m glad they get the benefits of college competition and that they put their heart and soul into the University during the short time they are at school.
Much better conversation here the last 12+ hours. Prior to that I was worried some quit taking important medications. It was a hoot to read some comments and where their interests lie – but “don’t ask, don’t tell” is the best policy for that.
First, I don’t think many State fans have seriously thought that Gott was “great,” so any indication otherwise is not realistic. There was disappointment across the fan base at the announcement. You don’t really get any points by hyping that you’ve been against Gott before anyone else. Most were breathing a sigh of relief that HWSNBN or Jed Clampett was not hired for MBB coach. Others support the coach at the start, because what difference would it make to do otherwise?
Now, there was hope that he could overcome those first few difficult teams where chemistry was an issue and begin to build on something year-to-year-to-year. He has had some significant successes in ways that we’ve not had in a long time, but we can see that he is not going to aggregate better teams over time. The individual parts do matter and they are interconnected to affect the whole. Recruiting is holding. Scholarship management is questionable. Retention is no better than average in the NCAA at best. Coaching of fundamentals and in-game coaching are not stellar. Hence, we are left with the horrible year of 2015-16 and wondering about 2016-17. This is on the coach because he has the biggest influence on these factors. He is the executive for those things.
NCSU will now take another year and see what happens and go from there. This may be the best thing to do for now, however, the angst and hilarity occur because it is not clear that we have proactive leadership at the University that can deal with this as quickly as it will need to be dealt with next year.
Rick said
The only reason to give a guaranteed contact if if there is a chance to lose him. That does not appear to be am issue so it is not a smart financial decision.
I thought there was analysis on SFN that said that the downside to giving the contract was pretty minimal. If true the contract work kept the contract in line with going rates in the market (playing to Gott’s work satisfaction) and should promote stability (playing to recruiting).
I will agree that Gott is a good coach and isn’t yet in the pantheon of great coaches. Realistically, however, he did just deliver a S16, won our first Top 10 road victory since the year 2000 (we had 22 previous attempts), and hasn’t had a horrible year. He’s probably the best only “good” coach in NCSU history that spent four years in the position.
2015-16 might be a horrible year. I don’t like how we look, but the year hasn’t played out yet. That is why the games must be played first. You don’t get any extra credit for predicting the bad year in advance. You only get to suffer an extra year.
fire Gott and replace him with Chuck Amato
I read Coach Amato’s biography on the Akron website yesterday. It is a phenomenal write up and might convince others that Chuck is up to the task.
It really made me feel good about NC State football.
Wufpacker said:
Last Week: DD should fire the coordinators.
This Week: DD must suck because he had to fire the coordinators.That was my first impression when reading the posting. While it does say something about DD’s leadership and development as a P5 Head Coach, if the best thing to do now is fire the coordinator(s), then it should be done.
I think we have all seen cases when the best thing to do at time=now was not done and we regretted it.
DD will continue to be the coach for a couple of years. He needs the best and most energetic support staff possible. This could be his transition from diamond-in-the-rough to solid coach.
This was going to be a tough year. Would have liked to see consistency develop, but we are young. It has been hard to enjoy the times of really good playing, because you knew we would be dashed by the coming poor playing (as in the Missouri, Pitt, and many games since).
It is hard to handle because of all the prior seasons that had similar outcomes (close but no cigar). But those other years had players with more experience.
It is Gott’s team and his staff. Don’t care who is on the staff as long as it doesn’t have that Santa character from UNC-Cheater Hill.
If we get an NIT bid, take it and give the guys some more experience. Every free throw, every dribble, every pass can make a difference if they let it.
This might be my twentieth time to say it … but I won’t give up, never.
