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State had a fine tradition of 2 guys.
It sounds wrong when you say it like that.
Can you “edit” on here anymore??? So I can fix my “fat fingered” posts??? And not get a D in English 111?
You can, but you gotta do it quick. I think the timeout for editing is less than five minutes.
HWSNBN usually had solid defensive teams, there was just a lot of other things that weren’t right about his teams.
I thought I remembered Herbs defenses only looked good when you didn’t look at the tempo free stats. In that we ‘held’ teams to below their average in points, but only because our tempo was so low.
Unfortunately, we’ve got a catch 22 brewing. If we win they won’t be top 50 any more.
Still, I’ll take win.
Tony Bennett, Leonard Hamilton and Jim Laranaga are amongst the three best DEFENSIVE coaches in the country. I conclude that if you play good defense consistently then every now and then everyone else will be bad enough for you to hit a little peak while other programs struggle.
UVA’s offense this season is worlds different that previous years.
They straight up dismantled Syracuse.
I think Gott is good enough to keep until we have a surefire replacement.
And there is the rub: a sure-fire replacement. We’d want a major program D1 coach with a history of strong recruiting, strong in-game coaching and someone who got to the tournament on a regular basis. Wouldn’t be cheap and those guys are fairly rare.
So the questions become: who? And would they be willing to come to NC State, a team with a pronounced mediocrity over the past 24-25 seasons? If we identified such a coach, could we afford him?
in response to a couple of your points, let me clarify first by saying I mean, “have identified a candidate we can be reasonably sure will accept, and who also possesses the leading indicators of a good coach”.
I think Gott’s S16 run and recruiting (for the most part) have helped with the perception of NC State. I think we’re way more likely to get a serious look now that we got at the end of the Lowe era.
I would prefer NOT to go get a big time coach with a history of success and a gigantic price tag.
Would any of ya’ want your financial adviser to wait until the stock market plummets before selling if they had a good leading indicator to forewarn them?
That all depends on what he was going to do with it next. If I was getting out of the stock market and into Greek bonds, I might just take my loses.
I think Gott is good enough to keep until we have a surefire replacement.
I realize Im in the minority, but the season has gone about as I expected, actually maybe a little better if you factor in the good showings at Sryacuse and against the heels.
Nah, I’m not sure anybody expected much, but as a fan base we seem to live and die every game.
DY will not put up with much BS next year….the high $$ donors are already UNHAPPY about the DRAMA….and if Gott don’t produce….then he probably GOTTA find a new job….
I wish we had PMs, I would LOVE to know what this is about.
How do you get that Bennett’s teams were right around where are ours are defensively for the first three? They aren’t even close.
Yeah, I wrote that misremembering how bad our D was. I thought we had been hovering right around 60-80. I edited it to reflect that 🙂
It would be so nice to have a program where these sorts of things are not so common. It gets so old discussing disappointment on such a regular basis. One day… One day.
I saw Bennett’s presser on SportCenter last night after winning the ACC. He spoke of the importance of defense and the rebuilding task he and his recruits embraced when he took the reigns at UVA. It took Bennett five years. We’re in year 3. I’m not saying that Gott is preaching the same things to his guys, but I don’t think we’re in a position to definitively state that he is not. Give him a couple more years. I love Washington and Anya.
I’m all for two more years, Bennet’s teams took three years to show serious improvement.
Kenpom AdjD numbers:
2009 96.8 #68
2010 96.6 #71
2011 93.5 #26
2012 89.1 #6 <- wow AdjO was 102 #147 (ouch)
2013 91.7 #24
2014 89.2 #3NC State over the same period:
2009 103.3 #198
2010 93.9 #35 <- I find that shocking.
2011 102.1 #170
Here’s NC State for Gott’s first 3 years
2012 97.1 #78
2013 98.4 #112
2014 103.6 #150We’ve hovered around atrocious, and given the makeup of our current roster, I think a little regression was to be expected.
Not that anybody is a position to make a decision cares, but I’m still willing to give it a couple years before declaring Gott a failure or a success. It’s hard not to make comparisons to his time at Alabama though.
LOL…or Jackie Moon. Even Ron Burgundy.
I just happened to see Talladega Nights most recently I suppose.
Let’s go throw Uncle Chip’s war medals off the bridge!
Edit: ogod, I just imagined Gott locking our baskeball team in the gym with a cougar.
I think what you are saying is that relative to last year’s team it appears these guys are trying harder.
But, at the end of the day, it is hard to say that a team that has been beaten by more than 30 points on multiple occasions but can take some of the best teams in the country to the final second is ‘playing hard’.
It’s hard to say they are really playing hard when defense is nothing more than effort and hustle and focus.
I get that, but I see a lot of mistakes. I see guys get lost in defensive rotations on the regular. I see guys dribbling the ball of their feet. I see guys who consistently don’t box out. I see guys who don’t pass in front of their target, and guys who don’t come to meet passes, resulting in lots of turnovers on the perimeter and easy layups.
I think the weakness and inability to finish out games is a symptom of a lot of little errors piling up.
There’s one guarantee, if we don’t shoot a high percentage relative to our opponents, we’re not winning, because we don’t really get second chances, take away second chances, and we don’t turn people over.
One thing I’ll say, to my untrained eye, it looks like the team is playing hard. That in itself is an improvement, even if it’s not reflected in the schedule.
How long do you give a coach?
I believe 10 years is the standard…..
Sometimes, you just have to ask yourself the question. Did it benefit society?
I’ve yet to find the message board that is a net positive to society.
Maybe there’s a cancer research board somewhere that isn’t busy calling fellow posters, “literally worse than Hitler”, for accidentally leaving out part of the Krebs cycle. I doubt it though.
What lessons, if any, do you draw?
The lesson I’ve drawn is you can win a lot of games without having superstar players if you play fundamentally sound basketball. Virgina is running on 3* and mid level 4* guys, but they play together, and do little things that have a big impact.
Maybe they’ll get knocked out early in the tournament. I dunno. I wouldn’t want to play them.
And maybe Tony Bennet is a fantastic coach, but it’s proof that guys are out there who can win, if you can find them.
