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Fun questions to ask yourself…
1- If owner was black and said this about whites…would he be banned?
2- If Sterling said this same comment about Asians, would he be banned? Jews? Hispanics? Native Americans?
3- Have we ever had racial thoughts cross our mind? Have we made racial remarks in private? Do we want to hold others to a higher standard than we do ourselves?
4- Has Sterling’s other actions in life been taken into account? Is he a good man? Has he benefited society and if so in what ways? Have his actions in the past led us to believe he is racist? Should we not put this comment into perspective of this man in his entirety?
5- Is racism our modern day “witch trials”? Will society look back on this time in 200 years and think how barbaric (sensationalized) our reactions were to racism – whether it be Sterling, Zimmerman etc…?
6- Is racism fair (symmetrical)? Should minorities be held to the same standard as whites – in terms of racist commentary?
7- Would we be surprised if Charles Barkley made this same comment about whites or Hispanics? Would we care?No one except their families should give a damm what the coaches want. Playing small schools only behooves the coaches as it pads their W/L record which is the single most important factor in which they are judged by – good/bad/ugly/young/old/retired – are all are judged by wins. Think Herb would have ever been hired by ASU if it were not for all the cupcakes he ate??? He’s an extreme example of how to game the system. Kudos to the smarty pants from Carnegie Mellon.
Conference chairs should force their schools to play as many BCS games as possible. Create an oligopoly.
1- Creating an oligopoly would help funnel recruits to BCS. There are hundreds of “borderline” recruits every year that go to the EZU’s of the world so they can get guaranteed playing time. Every year you have Chris Johnson types that would more likely accept the “risk” of riding than pine if we can reverse parity.
2- Most fans would much prefer to watch a loss against a BCS school rather than a win against Richmond Spiders. Plus you wouldn’t have to PAY small schools to play you. More game-day revenue. Cha-ching.
3- More likely to funnel coaches into BCS (e.g., Chris Peterson) too since the money and prestige would decline from non-BCS.
4- Crap programs like ours would actually have a chance to play UGAs of the world if they were forced to play more BCS games. Good programs view us as we view ECU. No glory when you beat them, but lots of pain when you lose. Our best chance to play home/aways with good programs.
Conclusion: Cutting out the non-BCS schools completely would be optimal but realistic constraints require they start slow and work toward that goal.
Conclusion 2: These guys are morons with little strategic vision and practically no job accountability or incentives that align with optimizing college football.
Last time I checked, Rodon’s class is the only top 25 we have on this year’s team. Compare that to true powerhouse teams who score top 20 classes each year. 1 vs. 4 do the math.
Nor can Avent find hidden gems on a regular basis. How has he held this job for 17 years is a testament to the fact that this is NC State and not UNC. We actually have a good fan base for this sport.
Debbie will fire him eventually but jeez she doesn’t have the $$ to clean house all at once plus he’s popular with insiders for some reason. I guess many big-time boosters at State can relate to him.
Carlos likely has slipped from #1. Shame for State fans – it was the only thing we could have hoped to hang our hat on this season.
Last year was the anomaly season. Not this one.
17 years:
1 CWS
0 ACC titles
0 regular season titles
Thousands of content NC State fans.Too bad all the UNC trolls out there can’t be in the Chancellors circle before they hit 30. We might not actually have such a poor under-endowed school and program and perhaps most importantly it would imply we have successful alumni who are used to winning in life and know losers, literally and figuratively, when they see em’.
Only 3,264 of us. How sad. http://giving.ncsu.edu/supporting-nc-state/annual-giving/chancellors-circle/
I have a feeling we can recycle the title of this thread next year…and year after…and…well Groundhog Day is a good movie to Wolfpack fans b/c we commiserate.
NC State recruiting. A 3 ring circus. How’s that 2015 class coming along? No takers so far on the 3 Ring Circus Bubble Dynasty part Deux?
If I’m Graham I seriously consider Buzz and VA Tech. New coaches are always the belle of the ball.
If I was an AZ State fan I may mock us as we mock them…Gott’s 4th year and we are pre-season 9th!! That’s a very fair assessment btw.
I know most folks on here use pre-season media expectations as a benchmark so when we finish 7th or 8th and squeeze into the dance we can rejoice for beating expectations.
We’ll still be mocked by AZ State fans while we pat each other on the back.
Hope. Its all we have. Color me stunned that a team with average recruiting rankings >25 is playing like it. Last year seems an anomaly more-so than an inflection point.
Bully pulpit rhetoric from a Congressman associated with USC is my guess. Odds of actual subpoena are quite slim. Better chance in the Nyugrandnasdndnl criminal case.
But seriously, what will it take? If you would have told me 10 years ago that an employee and former player would have whistle blown in such a public manner I’d have celebrated expecting major repercussions. Crickets chirp instead.
What will it take? Molestation it seems. Even then Penn State dropped from 9th to 34th to 51st to 44th to 25th and is currently 2nd for 2014 class (Scout rankings). Out-recruited NC State each year, even in light of the cruelest sanctions since SMU.
Only fools play by NCAA rules.
TJ would have been a fool to stay. His stock is hot. Borderline lottery and even with his return our ceiling is 6th in ACC.
There is 90% confidence level that we will never finish ahead of the top 4 programs with Gottfried:
1- Duke
2- UNC
3- Syracuse
4- LouisvilleSo TJ stays and MAYBE move up 5 spots in the draft and finish between 5th and 10th in ACC for another bubble season?
Schools with as much or more upside potential than us next season:
5- UVA
6- Pittsburgh
7- Clemson
8- Flordia StateSchools that will challenge us in the Gottfried era:
9- Notre Dame
10- Miami
11- Wake Forest
12- GA Tech
13- VA Tech (this one’s sad ain’t it)WTF loss really isn’t a WTF b/c we don’t play D:
14- BCAnyone who supports that the NCAA start sharing profits with players is essentially calling for higher taxes on themselves.
NC State is a very poor school compared to the majority in BCS. We are poor both academically (tiny endowment) and athletically (very tiny endowment and tiny budget). We live paycheck to paycheck much more so than than the UNC, Dukes, UVAs, Clemson, Florida States of the world. We have no savings (endowment).
If we have to start paying 85 football players a couple grand a year…well guess where that will come from? A money tree? Or perhaps higher ticket prices…concession food…more WPC dues…
Since this “tax” will not be progressive, but rather flat, it will hurt the poorer schools in higher proportion. Like NC State.
Anyone who supports paying players is essentially supporting something that 1) harms our school in a relative sense (we can least afford) and 2) harms our athletic patrons who will have to make up the difference.
So if you want to widen the competitive gulf between NC State and the rest of the field, by all means, support the proposition to pay players.
If you polled the average basketball fan, they would tell you Butler is a better program than ours. You could argue that well wait, we used to be good in the 70s and 80s and have better facilities and pay our coaches more money, but you’d only receive sympathy in return from said basketball fan, as opposed to swaying their opinion.
Come on BJD 20 is not even close to being adult. He doesn’t even know what good sex is or how to enjoy a proper scotch and cigar.
Gott might have learned discipline in front of a microphone but he certainly is a selfish pric* in many other ways. He did get fired from Alabama lest we forget. Also he has a tendency to recruit or “inherit” players that either 1) have an “inherent” quality (selfishness?) the predisposes them to transfer or 2) brings out the worst in his players (I.E., poor leadership skills).
Lest we forget he is the GM of this team and LEADER of this team. The kids don’t respect him. Think it has something to do with the coach? Nahhh let’s pretend like Gott is taking us to the promise land. An Elite 8 is eminent int he next 10 years.
Way too much optimism circling the table for a team that just lost its starting PG. Jeezzz.
Gottfried wouldn’t have ever played Craig McDermott b/c his upside isn’t that of whatever more athletic player was on the team.
Brad Stevens was mocked by other “cool” coaches, including our own, for studying at a corner table while they drank at the hotel bar. I promise he doesn’t care. He’s a winner. Winner’s don’t care what losers think of them.
We can all speculate about how good we will or will not be. What doesn’t require speculation, is the fact that we won’t be as good a team without Tyler Lewis and Rodney Purvis. Two preventable and unusual departures, that somehow goes unattributed to the head coach. Starters don’t transfer at any other programs. What’s up Gott?
I predict this team will get an 8/9 seed and lose to Arizona State in the first round.
I predict a few Wolfpack fans will drink too much and wake up in jail the morning after.
I predict divorce attorneys will see an uptick in business next March.
Tyler improved more last season than Cat (he didn’t play his 1st season thanks Gott). Imagine how good he’ll be once he gains some strength and starts hitting his floaters and shots….b/c he will. Just not for us. *sigh*
So next year the excuse…well we are young we lost Tyler and TJ who would have been juniors. Our starting PG mind you. HE STARTED b/c HE WAS BETTER!!!
BJD we have ONLY 2 ball handlers next year (and I haven’t seen Trevor’s handles frankly)…this isn’t a *shrug* type of loss. We lost UNC and Cuse’ GAME last year b/c we didn’t handle the ball well in late game situations. This is a game of inches and losing key starters HURTS.
This just further reinforces my analysis of Gott. Enjoy bubble teams and using Chipotlaway b/c we’re going to have lots of dirty undies over the next several years.
The number of transfers is a HUGE red flag. This is highly unusual. Losing Purvis and Tyler hurts tremendously. They were both starters. Losing Harris, Painter, DeThaey hurt as well. They would have contributed in significant roles had they stayed their entire careers.
Painter MAY have had legitimate reasons but in light of the 3-year exodus it is hard to refute that PART of his decision can be attributed to whatever fault Gottfried has that runs off players.
You don’t build championship programs in this way. You build bubble team programs this way.
Who’s next? We have several talented forwards why shouldn’t they leave in a year or two….anyone want to bet???
I don’t know where to start. Gott has lost 2 of 3 McDonald All Americans in two years to TRANSFERS. His crown jewel recruiting class will be GONE in TWO YEARS after TJ goes pro.
If you don’t think this is a bad movie, then please let me in on whatever RX you are taking.
This has nothing to do with “something’s wrong with the kids” and everything to do with poor leadership and management of the program.
In three years of Gott we’ve seen 7 transfers…..DeThaey, Harrow, Tyler Harris, Raymond, Painter, Lewis and Purvis.
They all sucked though right?
So much for the Omaha talk. This club just needs to make post season to save Avent’s job. One top 10 recruiting class isn’t going to turn you into a powerhouse.
I’d be shocked if TJ stays…just as shocked as NC State fans are when UNC players stick around.
If Gott had to quantify TJ’s value, what would it be? For someone who makes 2+ million, being fired from NC State would relegate you to SEC type programs for the remainder of your life (at best). In addition, the NCAA doesn’t really care so long as its a clean cash deal….makes you go hmmmmmmm if TJ stays. Unless you’re a hypocrite.
