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McCallum my point is there are lots of swing plays in a game. The ones we remember are the ones that stick out as controversial etc. We are more than a few plays from being an 11 win team. Its a matter of perspective ultimately but I have never been a fan of that mentality. For example Grey says we were one kick away from beating Clemson two years ago. Clemson fans counter with one less pick by Watson, and the kick doesn’t matter. Lots of swing plays.
As for the state of the program from DD to TOB, I find it funny. I remember many on here loving the fact TOB developed talent well. He never recruited well though, but many were ok with that. Now its flipped, we don’t develop players as well, but we recruit better players.
No offense but that is just crap. We weren’t 5 plays from 11-1. That is fan speak to make you feel better about the season. Those plays while important don’t guarantee the outcome of those games. A stop earlier in the game or a 3rd down conversion that was missed could be just as important. Whose to say those teams don’t march down the field for the winning score?
A better point would be, if our offense could have played well in 3rd quarter, we probably win those games. We are an 8-4 team due to many issues, most importantly though is kicking and safety play just as COW said.
Have y’all looked at the schedule for next year? Even with this team we probably finish 8-4 7-5 again. Unfortunately we will be a little worse, so we hope we can get back to that mark. If DD finishes the regular season with a winning record next year I would consider that a good year. Not a knock on him, just the way things are lining up. On the bright side Wake also takes a big step back, BC probably gets better, as does UNC.
Yogi, it depends on why you weren’t a fan in the first place as to ammunition. This does nothing to add fuel to my arguments. Mine have always been about him as a coach. As a coach you have to max out your value, sometimes that means putting one school against another. In his defense, he may not have been the one to leak it. It seems the whole world knows what UT is doing before they do. Drawback to doing it yourself versus a search firm.
Bill, Chubb would def steal his towel. Alias no worries on Schiano. He always came off as a DB to me. I just heard those facts on ESPN radio while driving. Heck until the this Tenn stuff I didn’t even know he coached at Penn State in any capacity back then.
As for DD, who knows what will happen. We just don’t want to overpay in a contract we cannot get out of later. Thats the most important aspect.
All true, unless the guy hired you is about to be fired. Also knowing the fan base will be clearly upset by any hiring that isn’t one of the top 3 coaches in college football. The circumstances in this case don’t lend itself to be a better situation than where you currently are as a coach except pay.
As for Schiano who knows what he saw said etc while at Penn State. I will say that the fact only one person accused him of knowing anything makes it suspect. That combined with the fact of the 400 people investigated, deposed etc he wasn’t one says alot. If he did know something then he should rot in hell. The evidence points in the opposite direction though.
I don’t think thats the case Alias. I think many coaches have turned down Tenn because of the AD. Everyone knows he will be fired for how bad this search has gone. The fans ran Schiano out before he was hired, while I agree he wasn’t a fit, the way they did it was ridiculous. Plus it’s the SEC where coaches don’t last. I think a number of the coaches who turned down Tenn would strongly consider us.
I think Chad Morris would be a solid hire. Kitch would be a solid hire. There are plenty of coaches out there just as good if not better than DD who would consider us.
Also outside of the money I see no reason to want to coach in the SEC. The failure rate for HC is through the roof due to the expectations.
Cow I don’t disagree with you on the winning aspect. I should have chosen a better description. They don’t respect him. I think we have solid position coaches etc who do most of the coaching, which is the way it is supposed to be in football. I just have rarely seen that much disregard towards a coach.
Fast are you suggesting we haven’t been loyal to DD? Majority of schools would not have kept him around after his first 4 years.
Rye I am on the same page as you. If DD does walk give Kitch the keys and use the extra money to pay for high caliber assistants.
Anyone ever heard what our players think of DD? I have which is why I am not a fan. That being said remember only about 25% if what you read for coaching searches is accurate.
For record I think Chad Morris would come to State.
Looking at our schedules for next year, 7 to 8 games next year will be 50/50 games at best. Losing Samuels will hurt far more than we realize. This isn’t me knocking DD for the record, but we all see us taking at least one step back next year, and thats with Finley at QB. I just dont’ see how anyone could have expectations in the 8-4 realm. A good year would be 7-5 and that’s probably our cieling next year.
It would be interesting to see the numbers on how many backs actually make it through a full 12 game season without getting banged up and how many carries a game they averaged. My assumption without looking at the numbers is any most back who touches the ball as many times as Hines did get banged up a bit with something lingering. With that being said, if he does end up leaving early so be it, the kid has made all of us proud and would do well in the NFL.
Chop,
Thanks for being reasonable. I am fine with the 8-4 season, my concern is in the program overall. We are trending upward sin talent no doubt, but out coaching is lacking at in game changes and strategy. As you stated on the advantages, we aren’t going to beat the majority of solid teams because we have better overall talent. Therefore we have to win be beating them in coaching, clock mgmt etc. It’s the fact that in 5 years these things have not gotten better. Unlike the top tier teams you mentioned, we are always going to have some significant weaknesses on our team. The coaching aspect shores that up. It’s why I don’t think we ever truly compete for a championship with DD as coach. I feel like he is the Sendek of college coaching. Good enough to be respectable but not good enough to bring home any hardware. So then the conversation would be if he wasn’t here who would we get thats better, which to me is a terrible question. If an employee isn’t getting it done you don’t say well I don’t think we can get someone better, you keep trying until you get it right. With all of this being said, I also understand the best thing for the program is to wait until Yow is gone for the next coaching hire anyways. I just hate knowing our cieling is 8-4. Compared to past state teams is that good sure, but I would argue last years team was better than this years team. This years tema just ended up with an easier schedule. Anyways what is done is done, on to bball for me, where I think we have some solid things to build off of.
I think the defensive struggles comes back to better LB and safety play, safety in particular. I thought our corners did a decent job, but got beat over the top quite a bit. Not sure if that is due to safeties being out of position etc. Tex I would point out Harmon has really come on and think he could be a star. I was very impressed with Hines this year as well. I don’t think the OL opened up huge holes for him but he still made it work. With his size to make it most of the year is impressive as well. I thought Finley regressed a little towards the end of the season, particularly in decision making. It might be I just have that bone head interception in my head from Saturdays game though.
I don’t think an established coach will want to go there at this point. What kind of support can you expect from the AD. I mean he won at Rutgers. If you can win there you are a solid coach. I always thought he was a DB but still a good solid coach.
You know I find it funny that many of you think I shouldn’t offer a differing opinion because I don’t have millions of dollars to throw at it from a donation stand point. You are entitled to look at the program as you see it just as I am. State has gotten plenty of my money over the years, but more than that it has gotten an awful a lot of emotion of ups and downs etc. We continue to repeat the same mistakes and wonder why stay in the same place. We have a good record which is what you point to as your basis for how well we are doing from a program stand point. I point to the fact that we continue to struggle against winning teams, with 20 seniors on the team. We will undoubtedly struggle next year especially if Finley leaves. We will make excuses for DD because we are young and inexperienced. We will struggle the year after and continue to make excuses for DD. Meanwhile, the coaching has not gotten better and there in lies the issue. All the coaches Chop mentioned are good xs os and gameday coaches. They know how to coach college kids, get the best out of them on a consistent basis, and put them in position to succeed. Time will tell who is right, I certainly don’t lose sleep over it because I am use to our football team’s ceiling being around 8-4.
You are right Thomas I don’t see this clear progression. Chop that was 30 years ago. I don’t think that far back translates to today’s game which is why I said 20 years. Dang I am old
Thomas I am entitled to my opinion, because it isn’t the same as yours doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be entitled to voice it. No need to come at me just because a differing opinion upsets you.
I hear everyone saying we are on an upward trajectory, but we aren’t. We are on the same trajectory as our previous coaches. My biggest issue is we will do what we always do, renew his contract to a point we can’t make the necessary changes in future we will need to. Chop,give me an example in the last 20 years of a coach after year 5, elevating an average program to an elite one. I cannot think of one.
How can anyone be happy with the outcome of this season? We stunk against teams with winning records. Our record is only good because the league was terrible this year, not because we were any better. I am tired of the same old crap. Surprised all of you are happy with being mediocre.
All we wanted was the kids to play hard for 40 minutes. Play solid defense. Regardless of outcome. Surprised by the win yes but more surprised with effort and composure. We are fun to watch!
For all those assuming we are 8-4 and 6-2 in the ACC, we still have the Heels to play. I am hoping for a win, but am reminded that normally the team with the worse record, wins this game. We are their bowl game. So I wouldn’t consider it a gimme just yet.
If we arent going to spend the money on the best coordinators money can buy then it is time for DD to go. Something has to give one way or the other. I am fine with DD as the HC as long as we shore up the crappie gameday coaching etc. I think new coordinators does that.
