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Nobody out of reach. One game at a time… are we the favorite? Hell no but I have a feeling some good ol’ fashioned NC State **** is going to happen in our favor. At some point its GOTT to right? It starts tonight… Leggo!
Thanks guys – I really hope we can land one the 5 stahs lol. Malik Newman is described the same way Purvis was but a better shooter and finisher.
Hopefully Gott can pull something out of his hat. Hell he always does.
All this talk of Duke and other teams like KY being hot right now. Does anyone remember our relative records at the time of the first match up? Duke was 14-0 and we had already had losses to Purdue and Wofford.
I don’t care how well any other team outside of our locker room is playing. They should hope they are playing at their best. I would put the combination of Lacey and Barber up with any backcourt in the land. Turner went from 0-5 to like 5-6 against Cuse. The twins, Anya, Freeman on the boards and defending.
Then if we get additional contributions from Abu and KW then that makes us a very deep and dangerous team. I’ll save my thoughts about next year because we have the opportunity to make noise this year even with very limited contributions offensively from our bigs.
One game at a time… Survive… Advance… Survive… Advance. One game at a time we can match up at least ok against anyone. We have seen it all year.
2 things I can’t believe
* This all started right after Carmelo and his national title at SU but good for them
* UNC is so untouchable that they feel empowered enough to complain about being billed $27,000 for repairs need for an opponents locker room their team destroyed.1 thing that I pray for
* The reckoning in line with what the pack did and our punishment that be handed over to the cheats in Chapel Hill. There actions were exponentially worse than ours so please lets see a punishment that is exponentially worse than ours.I love the quote but feel the timing of building a trophy-esque wall board is a bit weird. Play the video before games or while recruits visit. Seems a hair short of building a statue when we haven’t done anything yet.
IMHO it seems like its easier to make fun of than inspire especially if things get off to a rocky start next year.
I’ve been wrong before, here is to hoping that it does inspire recruits and players to bring home a championship
Statefansnation is where I go to feel worse about life. I’m excited about what’s happening in Raleigh. We have a pretty good coach, who recruits well, and puts a pretty good product on the floor most nights. Our team is inconsistent because they haven’t played together very long. Even then our younger players, especially the bigs still make fundamental mistakes.
Just like you all, I see the improvement, but I see the frustrating lapses. Our coaching staff has also identified the lapses and are working to address them.
Unless Cat, or both twins, or KW leaves I see us having a really strong team next year based off of what I saw from this team this year. Abu and Anya took a little longer to develop but if they had come along quicker we would be a top 10 team this year. I see their potential and we all know what we have in Cat, Lacey, Twins, KW. We GOTT a pretty good thing going. We have had some miscues, some questionable officiating (we are State after all), and we lost some really close games.
Free throws, defensive improvement, and boxing out are all that’s separating us from contending IMHO. Call me crazy but I think the longer this team plays together they will pick up those nuances. We had a lot of time off… here is to seeing what we bring against the wahoos tonight. GO STATE!!!
I think some of the mistakes we make are because our team hasn’t played with each other that long and as a whole we are youthful. In fact the longest tenured player has played for us for 1 and 3/4 seasons. Can’t emphasize that enough. Our best player is in his first year with us. Even the Cavs struggled with LBJ, Kyrie, and Kevin Love, the heat with LBJ, DWade and Bosh while they gelled.
Conference Analysis. Of the teams ranked ahead of us in the standings only Pitt and Duke have teams that have only one Junior and one Senior that play more than 10 minutes like we do. Duke recently joined this club after getting rid of Suliamon.
Only UNC and UofM have 6 at least 6 FR&SO’s that average more than 10 minutes. NC State has 7.
My point is, if we had the same team today plus any “one” of (Insert TJ, RP, TL) or if any of our other players (especially our bigs, think about the difference a Junior Richard Howell made) with one more year of experience, some of the losses we have this year are wins. Player development plus experience playing in the system matter and our kids haven’t had much time to develop together.
Some other coaches can make up for the experience factor with talent advantages a la Coach K, Calipari, and Self. However, most good consistent teams (look at any Pats, Seahawks, Atlanta Hawks, Spurs, OKC, LBJ teams after the all star break of year 1) have talent and experience playing together.
Put another way, of our player minutes from players with over 10 minutes per game, 67% of those minutes come from Freshman and sophomores. Compared to 28% from UVA, ND 50%, UNC 56%, 40% Louisville, 52% Syracuse, Clemson 43%. Duke is similar to us @ 65%but they have a talent advantage over us.
We have sufficient talent and are collecting the experience necessary to build a successful program. It will suck to lose Ralston but I think we can cover his production and next year we should have what UVA has this year barring any major transfers / Lacey going pro.
Hey guys – I’m more of a glass is half full guy which is rare in wolfpack country I know. However, after reviewing our losses (after being prompted by another poster) If we lost by less than 10 points which we have 6 times, the average margin of victory has been 3.33 points. Our last two are the only WTF losses which are hard to explain.
To many poster’s points, we are just over 1 possession away from drastically different record. Our team is insanely young. They have potential to be better just like the Cavaliers of this season through their first 30 games, the Heat a few years ago through their first 25-30 games.
I say this to say, I don’t believe we are all that far away from being a great team. Our team identity has changed alot from last year on offense and unfortunately not so much on defense. Due to the schedule, we still have a chance at this point in this season to make noise but more importantly, this article points out to me that the most significant area of need is defense. Looking at the great defensive teams, they aren’t very youthful so it comes from experience and playing together.
The fact that this team still expects “the other guy” to box out is a sign of youth and inexperience. I wished it would have gotten fixed sooner but its still very much a work in progress. Lastly, save Raslton Turner and the unknown key transfer our team remains in tact for the first time since I can remember. We know this team can compete with anyone when it defends so a run in the tourney isn’t out of the question for us to do something special this year. However next year, barring any bad transfers it will be the first time I have any expectations for greatness and competition near the top of the ACC. Hell we did it this year on the backs freshman and sophs (in our program – nobody over two years on the court playing for us). Next year I will expect our players to have learned how to collectively box out, get offensive boards and second chance points, be in position both offensively and defensively to be opportunistic (Duke and UNC offensively, Duke & UVA defensively), consistent effort for 40 mins, role players knowing when to step up as the primary guys are off, big men not disappearing for games at a time.
To me each of those problems are signs of youth an inexperience playing together and I think they are correctable. I can see the problems and I can think of Calipari teams that were much more talented but had the same problems, and the same for Duke and UNC teams.
hey guys the sky isn’t falling. we have played one of the toughest SOS’s in the country we’ve had a few tough losses and really bad one last night.
Wow you would think we were two totally different fan bases after the duke win and last night’s loss. Its still the same kids, the same coach, we just had a few WTF losses like young teams do.
Last night doesn’t prove it but we are improving. We are building a program. Our best player has been in it 2/3’s a season, virtually everyone else has been in it less than 2 years. We lost an entire class of would be juniors to draft / transfers (all of which were McD AA’s) and here we are competing with anyone in the country.
again we are near the ledge but even one bad season – which you can do alot worse than top 50 rpi – but lets see what Gott is able to build. if “if” was a fifth we’d all be drunk… but if the ball bounces our way here or there we are looking at a ranked team with the same players and coach. I don’t think we are that far off… especially giving the actual circumstances
Wulfpack – the bright spot is that we have played pretty well with the best teams in the country and know that we can hang with anybody. Hopefully we are good enough to not let just anybodyhang with us.
With Jacobi running from day one this year and that stable of running backs we will certainly see a ton of the read option.
round of applause Wilson59…. I know it changes nothing but at least I know I’m not crazy. I’m going to keep a better tally of the calls missed calls, call it my own boxers scorecard. Mind you while I’m not biased there were times during this game that I said we got away with one.
It just doesn’t happen that frequently. The call I hate the most is when we do drive the lane because there isn’t help there and the ref calls a non shooting foul as we blow by the defender. Is there continuation in college? They are always so clear to point out the foul occurred on the floor.
My guess is we see the foul discrepancy accounted for over these next “less-significant” games
I made a similar post on the most recent SFN article. the timing of our fouls… we have to be the only team that constantly gets the ‘benefit’ of the non shooting foul when we have an unobstructed lane to the basket for a guaranteed layup. Add to that the time like other posters mentioned. We can never really play tough D because the slightest of fouls are called, meanwhile our opponents get to play aggressive.
I don’t think anything can be done but its a frustrating thing to watch and I remember saying long ago if I was a kid, why would I not want the shot in the arm of always getting the benefit of the doubt from the zebras. Hell Tyler Hansborough became an all american by hitting free throws. Most of his misses never counted against him because a whistle was blown, then he picks up 8-10 pts a game at line.
sigh… same story different day
for those who haven’t noticed. Just keep an eye on what gets whistled for us versus against and when they call fouls on the other team its not during one of their runs, and often times we would have been better off without the whistle
I don’t want to add fuel to the fire… but I swear I feel like this every game. Also, I’ve noticed the timing of when the other teams get called for fouls versus when we do and we draws the fouls. Our hot hands will get fouls called on them, the other team gets late whistles after the ref sees the shot didn’t fall or they didn’t get the rebound.
Meanwhile we will draw make up fouls, non shooting, when have an unobstructed lane to the basket.
I’m like why call the touch foul there and my internal conspiracy theorist thinks its to keep the foul discrepancy at the end of the day close and non beneficial to us. We never seem to be in the bonus or double bonus until the very end of the game while our opponents spend the last 10 minutes there.
this was a vent because I always feel like I’m the only one witnessing the lopsided whistleblowing
Very good point PackIR. http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeTeamRankings has unx at 23 and the pack at 33. In terms of their stars they have one more 4 star recruit and we have one more 3 star and 2 star.
Its interesting – we are currently in 6th. FSU & Clemson are close and at the top, big gap in points associated with the class then Miami, unc, VaTech are within a few points. There is a 23 pt spread btw us and VaTech. With about the same spread going the other way you will find 6 teams.
Below us, and us included the talent gap isn’t that wide, I would say we all represent the third tier. This Frasier commitment might get us up there with unc/miami into the second tier.
Is it just me or are they getting credit for blocks on arm hacks. Abu’s first miss and Kyle Washingtons blocked shot were both assault and batteries.
We have the sixth most difficult schedule up to this point and I’m wondering when its supposed to let up. It seems eerily like moving day in golf. We will find out who’s who in the ACC during the next week or so. Beat Miami and ND and that shows our boys are learning and the game and its starting to come to them because those are pretty good squads coming up.
you are correct lawful but they do a pretty descent job of updating their color schematic to represent the latest news and comments by the recruits. So all of our recruits or mentions are in a feed. However, I’ve always received much better commentary, analysis, and inside information here. It usually comes along with a, “don’t ask me any questions about my source” but such and such kid is going to sign next week, or such and such’s dad has always been a wolfpack fan and said he thinks his son is going to choose us.
I love hearing about this kind of stuff. I reached out to gopack to see if they could provide updates a while ago but something about NCAA schmumbo jumbo said they can’t and we have to use 3rd party sources for info.
I usually use http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/nc-state almost exclusively. I see 247 referenced here but I have never been
Wow what in depth reporting. I’ve always wanted this kind of insider knowledge into our program but never seemed to make the right connections or find the right site. Thank you BSims and StateFans
First off inspiring close out to the game, coaching and execution, very reminiscent of why we earned the name Cardiac Pack.
Ok – observations Ol’ Roy has coached his boys excellently on how to defeat the zone we employed which I think was a box and one. They operated this play like clockwork against us.
* Paige passes to a big near the free throw line (just outside the farthest edge)
* then he sets a pseudo screen.
* Then the big passes him the ball back now Paige is on the Wing
* The Big is still right there near the free throw line but his defender doesn’t have a body between him and the rim.
* The baseline big on the play side is drug out of the paint by UNx player down on the baseline.
* the original big cuts hard to the basket for an uncontested layup or dunk on a pass from the guard usually PaigeThe second thing that killed us was the hardly contested 5 footers. I wasn’t able to see a pattern of how their players got open. I think we are just still figuring the zone out.
Huge improvement by Anya in transition defense last night. He used to get in great position to protect the paint but got easily distracted by anyone running the court with him and he would abandon the paint for easy scores against everyone all season. Last night he stayed in the paint until help arrived. I didn’t see him give up a single point that way, could have dropped a tear to witness that improvement.
Offensively, we have to keep moving without the ball no matter who has it. Kyle Washington, played clutch last night but he is starting to be a black hole. Anya and Abu I saw set their defenders up to provide easy scores for themselves or team mates. KW with his consistent 12-15 footer is going to draw defenders. We need cutting players like Anya’s and Abu to receive passes and get easy layups. I’m not mad at KW shooting in his spots but sometimes there are easier points.
We didn’t execute the zone effectively last night but every error seemed coachable. Our team is getting smarter and experience is starting to kick in.
My vote is if Paige wants to beat us on the perimeter we let him, but we can’t let their bigs continue to dominate inside like that.
If I’m coach Gott I’m obviously disappointed in the outcome, I’m disappointed in the execution in certain parts of the game but overall I leave with a smile on my face because you know your team has fight, the mistakes are correctable and not based on talent gap, Lacey isn’t going to play that bad in the first half very often, and our bigs got an example of how to be effective last night and they responded.
round of applause for the refs – there were some debatable calls both ways but the only egregious one was foul number one on Ralston. That reach looked very weak.
They could have started the article like this. Bernie Madoff metaphorically passes the torch to the next generation of frauds. “I used to believe there couldn’t be a scam artist that topped my Ponzi Scheme. When they read my charges aloud in the courtroom it was hard not to blush. It was at that moment I reveled in my own glory thinking I had reached the cynical pinnacle by lying, cheating, and stealing billions of dollars from elitists. I never hurt anyone it was all for the best right? ME!
Then I read about the University of North Carolina’s systemic academic fraud scandal collecting millions of dollars in tuition assistance from the state of NC, misleading millions around the country into believing they were watching student athletes on their college gridiron and in the dean dome. They were good, I mean they even had me fooled. That’s why I have to pass the torch to the BOG, to ESPN, to all the people that are able to pull of this scam in front of everyone’s eyes and without retribution”
Bernie went on talk about how he wished he spent his younger years studying at UNC Chapel Hill, watching the administrators every single move, learning their ways, and perfecting his craft. He later went on to say that he believes he would have been found completely innocent if he ran his ponzi scheme from Chapel Hill instead of Manhattan. In disbelief he said in desperation, “I got convicted with alot less evidence against me and in a fraction of the time”.
UNC administrators were hush hush about their side of the story stating that after the statute of limitations runs out they will publish a book entitled, “I’m not saying we did it, but if we did, here’s how — wink wink”
