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My Virignia example was extreme — I’m pretty sure they lost all of those games, plus Boise State this year. There’s a happy (organ attic) medium that we’ve hopefully found with South Carolina, WV and Mississippi State.
Scheduling is by nature quirky and dynamic — especially for a lower-tier Power 5 wanting home-and-home agreements but top-tier and rising programs preferring seven home games and no road games against non-marquee opponents (this is so important because financials continue to show that only a handful of programs manage to merely break even on operational expenses from gameday-related revenues).
To be fair, I think much of the frustration (especially by LTR folks) has been at the extent of it. Tennessee (2012) and (at that time) Cincinnati (2010-11) are the only scheduled non-conference Power 5s we’ve played since South Carolina in 2009, and my understanding is that the several who backed out over the years — LSU, Tennessee, Oklahoma State — were able to easily do so because of poorly-structured agreements with little financial penalty. I’m more confident now that’s not the case with WV and Mississipi State.
It’s also why Virginia’s scheduling over the past decade is so impressive (and apparently wildly questionable). They’ve had home-and-homes with Oregon, USC, UCLA and BYU.
Foose explains the return trip to Troy. And the non-conference scheduling will improve by default, simply because from now on we’ll have to play a non-conference Power 5 every year (and as of now ECU doesn’t count). Notre Dame in ’16 and then @Notre Dame and vs USC in ’17, then I believe the WV series begins in ’18?
Carolina and Wake have agreed to play a non-conference series, and I think we should do the same with Duke.
I think any talk right now of firing Doeren is ridiculous.
I’m all for holding coaches responsible — but within reason.
We have to be careful to operate within the constraints of our reality: We’re a lot closer to becoming Kansas or Maryland than Clemson or Ole Miss.
So firing a good coach — one of the hot names when he was hired in 2012 and who inherited (unfortunately) a lower-tier Power 5 program — because he hadn’t turned it around completely after three years could be disastrous.
We’re just not in any position now to do that and expect to upgrade. What’s the expectation — The next guy would have to win immediately? At some point we have to admit Doeren needs the chance to develop some stability
That said, if we’re 0-8 again, I’ll admit it’s a tough defense.
For the record, the Louisville-Clemson game was at Louisville, not Clemson.
I’m less bothered by the Louisville loss than I am how we responded after it at Virginia Tech.
Texas should be the best job in college football and they should have their choice of head coach. But somehow that job has become a loser.
I think it’s probably a case where way too many top donors are involved with the program — probably all promoting their own interests — and there’s no real unified leadership.
This was a disaster hire from the beginning. As I recall, Edsall was a wildly unpopular choice at the time.
But you’ll also remember these idiots wanted Yow gone for trying to replace Freidgen with James Franklin in 2009.
It seems to me he wasn’t let go because of the actual incident, but because he fled the scene. It was another poor decision in a pattern of poor decisions, and Doeren was really out of options otherwise at this point.
I think Gameday is in good hands with Rece Davis. he’s one of the most talented guys at ESPN, and probably the only one who could make for a smooth transition from Fowler.
And he certainly deserves much better than that clown sideshow with May and Holtz.
Still a weird adjustment to get used to.
The impossible inconsistency of that ’98 team. In the span of a month we barely beat Ohio, then owned FSU, then got wholly embarrassed at Baylor, then pounded Syracuse. The rest of the season was the same — when we were bad, we were BAD.
If you make a counter to this list, Baylor ’98 and USC 2008-09 have to be Top 3, right?
The Pack has yet to win at BC and hasn’t won at Wake Forest in 34 years.
Just copy this and paste it in 2035, because then it’ll be accurate. Clemson basketball will eventually win in Chapel Hill, but you’ll never convince me we’ll ever win again in The Abyss.
The reason this was a separate post from Alpha’s is by rule I don’t piggyback my opinion under someone else’s by-line. And on the rare occasion I do post nowadays, it’s usually as SFN, so others can add to the post as they want (remember, we aren’t a consensus).
I figure most of you know when it’s my opinion anyway.
Davis has absolutely earned this. He’s proven every bit as talented as Fowler, and he was partnered for far too long with those idiot morons May and Holtz. It’s also probably the only way ESPN could keep him. Gameday is one of the few watchable programs ESPN still has.
So you’re saying that in spite of all the local sponsorships and business/gov’t tie-ins, and the associatec economic impact, you think the bowl game, and the week long schedule of bowl activities leading up to it, gets no additional local hype or media coverage?
I’m not saying that all — necessarily. I’m just saying I don’t understand it. If high school coaches are taking their teams to the game (as referenced above), then obviously that’s good exposure.
We can be pleased with the year-over-year progress but still be kinda pissed we got screwed out of a better bowl — they’re not mutually exclusive.
I’m pleased we’re bowling somewhere — anywhere — after that BC game. But I just don’t see the correlation between playing a bowl game in Florida and recruiting exposure in florida.
I’m seriously asking here: can recruits come to the bowl game as our guest?
Otherwise, I doubt the line is long for high school football players to go to the Bitcoin Bowl in St. Pete on Dec 26.
Are they attending our bowl practices?
Where exactly is the exposure?
Notre Dame shares its bowl revenue and I think its non-home TV revenue with the ACC (it’s NBC contract is its own).
Ordinarily, the only good thing about St. Petersburg is that it’s only 20 mins from Ybor City. But even Ybor City the day after Christmas won’t be enticing.
This is where a win versus BC would’ve been huge — 8-4 we couldn’t have fallen to Tier 2.
Ah, nostalgia for the good ol’ days when the ACC-B1G Challenge wasn’t almost half the size of the NCAAT.
The ACC controls the date of the basketball game — that’s the point.
In basketball, all game times are determined before the season — it’s not like football, where there are weekly options. And the ACC determines the schedule. The ACCCG has been at 8pm for at least the last 6-7 years, so they had to have known they were creating a potential conflict.
ESPN controls all the TV. But the ACC controls the date it’s scheduled. Why not schedule it Sunday instead — avoid the conflict altogether?
One of the most demoralizing series I ever recall watching was right before half, when we extended Carolina’s drive with the roughing the punter penalty and then again with the pass interference. Marquise Williams seemed like he just wanted it to be fourth down so they could punt and he’d have a break from getting knocked down. We were all over him. Then he threw the picked in the red zone.
That was bigger than fielding the punt and making it 28-0 at half.
It was over after that drive.
State at Dirty Rotten Bastard Cheaters (-6.5)
*Refusing to pick this game, it’s a matter of principleTCU (-6.5) at Texas
LSU (-3) at TAMU
Arkansas (-3) at Missouri
Mississippi State (-2.5) at Ole Miss
The only shocking part of this is that the University acknowledged any wrongdoing. Not their style at all.
