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@PackFan I see they play VPI next week. Think Jones’ seat will get warmer if they lose that one?
JasonP why should the team show more when winning in such a manner?
Of course as the season progresses more will have to be shown.I just don’t like the term “show more” or the general idea that there’s such a thing as showing your hand in football – at least when that gets taken too far (and I’m not saying we took it too far last night, I’m more speaking in terms of general tactics). I think it’s too conservative and betrays a bit of fear or lack of confidence; but I also understand gamesmanship is part of the game. One can always change/alter/modify formations but run some plays that may come in useful down the stretch so that players have experience running them at game speed. I understand the consensus is against this mentality, so be thankful I’m not the coach. Please don’t take my comment as some giant negative against what State did last night. I think we played pretty great, and were perhaps limited by weather along with breaking in some new players and trying to build confidence. I know coaches will come away with some negatives they will work on for next week, but that’s why they get paid the dollars. To me, it was all gravy.
Btw; I love the “life is suffering” tag on this thread!
I get we are not going to see everything. Also want to see them try some things that will be needed later.
“Not showing too much” strategy. I can’t stand it either but it is what it is.
Huge for App St to take UT that far anyway. UT with its #4 & 5 recruiting classes having a hard time with App St – bet those Vols fans are livid.
Saw where South Carolina came back to beat Vandy 13-10. Didn’t take Muschamp long to suck the air right out of that offense. Why any highly touted offensive player would want to play for that guy is baffling.
Wake destroys Tulanie 7-3
QB finished with 79 yds. Yikes
No worries. Hell, our own announcing team gets me in that zone sometimes. Check that…
Btw; some excellent blocking from the Pack tonight. Turning into a real nice warm up for next week.
Already, I don’t like this color man.
He can f-ck right off with the ECU talk.
Somebody needs to tell him it’s not a rivalry…WHEN THE STATE LEGISLATURE FORCES YOU TO PLAY THE NIMRODS!!!!!!!!!!
Totally get you though
Vandy up on the Gamecocks 10-0 in the 2nd.
And App State up 13-3 over Tenn in the 3rd.
They’ll be insufferable.
Better than UT winning though.
I come into regular contact with maybe 2 App St alums. Of course, if they pull that off they’ll all be coming out of the woodwork. Still, I won’t cry if UT loses.
@ncsu1987 typed faster
306 total yds for the Pack at half. Finley started perfect at 9-9 and ended up 15/18 for 157 and a TD. Led scoring drives every time. Damn nice pick up!
After the first scoring drive, Giglio tweeted that Drinkwitz might have been trolling Canada by only calling on Dayes and Samuels – they were the only guys to get the ball on the opening drive. Would be funny if true.
All I can see is they changed DCs. The is a 5 win turnaround. We have changed our OC and O-line coach. Why not a 1 or 2 game uptick for us?
I’m down for the uptick, sign me up. But there’s a lot of variables in there that we won’t know about until we see the team on the field. I’d even argue that new DC they got over there really isn’t all that – I’m not impressed anyway.
Until this season plays out the difference between the two of us is, you say you are depressed by the past and I am excited about the future. That’s some serious food for thought. I might be disappointed at the end of the season but I’m a big boy. I can take a little or even a lot of disappointment.
That stat is depressing, but for whatever reason I look back on most of the past with fond memories (mine start with Sheridan), so the past of Wolfpack football doesn’t get me down. But looking at a stat like that can be telling. It’s no guarantee for the future agreed; and here’s hoping Doeren and Co. can break the mold. And hey, if we couldn’t handle disappointment we wouldn’t be State fans. Pulling for these teams year in and year out is not for the faint of heart or the weak-kneed. We don’t even have the glory of national titles to bask in when we have a bad season. But hey, here we are.
I clicked on that link about the D Line earlier and enjoyed the piece. The hard work will pay off. Looking forward to it!
A poster over at BTP (tvp1) posted the following, which I found interesting and depressing:
Over the past 16 seasons (2000-2015), NC State football has compiled a conference record of 53-75.
During that stretch, we have been blessed with 4 QBs who were drafted by NFL teams. Each was a multi-year starter and stayed relatively healthy while here. 7 of those years we had a future All-Pro QB.
In the 11 seasons started by those 4 NFL-caliber QBs, NC State went 42-46 in conference. Only 2 of those 11 teams had winning conference records. Both of those were 5-3.
In the 5 seasons during that stretch lacking an NFL-caliber starting QB, NC State went 11-29 in conference, a cool 27.5% winning percentage. (Even removing the 2013 Thomas/Mitchell/no talent sh–show, the record is only 11-21).
NC State has not had a winning conference record without starting an NFL-caliber QB since 1998.
NC State has won more than 5 conference games only twice in the post-FSU era. The most recent such year was 1994.
This means about as much about this year’s team as when TOB’s first 5 teams beat the Holes then lost the 6th game. Why look in the rear view mirror to see where you are going? Lincoln lost nearly every political race he entered. Why bother to run for president?
The numbers seem to establish a pretty consistent trend. I hope they have no real effect on this year’s team, but looking at them puts things in perspective. The numbers also support the notion that many have put forward here that given the talent we are able to put on the field, we have no business running a traditional or pro-style offense. We need gimmicks to equalize the talent gap, and as hinted here Drinkwitz possibly brings that to the table. May he and State’s offense prosper.
A poster over at BTP (tvp1) posted the following, which I found interesting and depressing:
Over the past 16 seasons (2000-2015), NC State football has compiled a conference record of 53-75.
During that stretch, we have been blessed with 4 QBs who were drafted by NFL teams. Each was a multi-year starter and stayed relatively healthy while here. 7 of those years we had a future All-Pro QB.
In the 11 seasons started by those 4 NFL-caliber QBs, NC State went 42-46 in conference. Only 2 of those 11 teams had winning conference records. Both of those were 5-3.
In the 5 seasons during that stretch lacking an NFL-caliber starting QB, NC State went 11-29 in conference, a cool 27.5% winning percentage. (Even removing the 2013 Thomas/Mitchell/no talent sh–show, the record is only 11-21).
NC State has not had a winning conference record without starting an NFL-caliber QB since 1998.
NC State has won more than 5 conference games only twice in the post-FSU era. The most recent such year was 1994.
If all that’s true and holds to form, then we need a real diamond in the rough at QB this season.
Also, if the ECU game turns into a “don’t show too much” situation and we suffer a loss so that we can wait to break out all the secret triple flea-flick reverse to the TE for a TD pass razzle dazzle during conference play then that’s going to be tough to recover from both for team and ledge-peering fan base. If they have to go to the darkest corners of the playbook to win that game, they need to do it. Only half-way positive from a loss like that would be that it’s non-conference. Hope the football gods shine on the Wolfpack that day.
I’m a little critical about where we’re at but I’m not for hanging DD out to dry. The D-line will hide a lot of deficiencies with LBs and backs, but the O has to move the ball and limit the pressure on the defense.
I do think a refocus needs to happen with recruiting. If we can’t get to the point where we regularly out-recruit VT, Duke, Pitt, Louisville and at least start matching UNC and Miami then not much will change unless as noted elsewhere we get that diamond in the rough that everyone else missed. Only we’re going to need about 5 of those diamonds per year.
Whoa is us for playing in the loaded Atlantic division, but since we have no choice in the matter – use it! And get some QBs. If they can’t spot talent then find out who Cut’s recruiting and steal them away. DD made his name on that NIU QB he had. Find someone like him and get him here.
Btw; one benefit of The Hat’s latest shenanigan over the hill is that it highlights the culture clash he’s got over there. When a good Big 12 or other Texas program comes calling, he’s diving right in.
The talent level is not high in Raleigh nor is the coaching level. To suppose State will catch a break here or there, wishing for this or wishing for that are hyperbole. The o line play is weak, the wideouts lack speed experience and depth, QB play has no tangible experience, and the linebackers and secondary are weak(pretty weak last year for certain). The kicking game is in complete question but for some reason that is not mentioned much when you are pulling kids from unc-Pembroke.
State has depth on the defensive line and experience. There is depth at running back.
I agree for the most part. Recruiting rankings aren’t an exact science, but the teams that consistently finish high in that regard do pretty well. Unfortunately, we haven’t been cracking that top 25 or 30 in forever which means we’re still “coachin’ ’em up” and that leaves us consistently out of being anywhere close to winning the Atlantic, always hoping and wishing for bowl game scraps. All the best-case scenarios have us at 4th in our division and that’s with some breaks. 2016 rankings at Rivals have us behind FSU, Clemson, Notre Dame, Miami, UNC, Duke, Pitt, Louisville and VT (Scout has us ahead of VT). Someone in the program is going to have to figure out a way to recruit over the last 5 teams on that list in order to move ahead in league.
Additionally this level of recruiting makes it so that a lesser program full of 4 or 5 year players has a good chance to beat us. If our x-factor QB and kicking positions don’t trend up this season then we could be in for a nightmare.
If you think the defense of their 11-2 squad sucked last year and isn’t anything to be concerned about as a fan of their rival then, with all due respect, you’ve got your head in the sand.
Now we’re talkin’! Nothing like some hyperbole on a sports forum to get the blood flowing.
Just looked at UNC’s 2015 schedule and I don’t see anything that should scare any D1 team regarding that defense returning. “Isn’t anything to be concerned about” is taking it a bit too far though. Every defense the Pack faces should be concerning, especially with our offense and especially when they’ve got the very strategic placement of The Citadel right before our game on the schedule.
Just noticed they’ve got the UNC game scheduled for either noon or 3:30 start. First I’ve seen of that.
Slow on naming a QB and now a hit to the WRs leaves more than usual to speculation. I’ll go with 6-6. With some very lucky breaks I could see 8 wins. Would be great if the QB Doeren goes with can limit TOs and work within a game plan. They don’t need to be MVP-level, just respectable. But if none of the QBs can manage a game and sling a little here and there it’s going to be a very long season.
That said, we’re going to snag one we shouldn’t between ND, FSU and Miami at home. The “away” side of the schedule is tougher than it looks. ECU and Cuse should be manageable so hoping we get at least one of those, if not both cuz we’re going to need them. The goal for this team is a bowl game, any bowl game. I haven’t looked up SOS rating yet, but we’ve got to be up there.
