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Wolfpack at home. NC State on the road…For all sports.
Mr. DOG, I like the thought and when we play on national TV — and we will — I’m afraid we will have to have NC State on the uni.
I’ve been a State fan for about 70 of my 77 years and I’ve been a loud voice for being State. Not going to happen. I’m trying to understand the reason administration has for our being known as NC State. In an effort to have this “branding” happen, they made decision to have State replaced by NC State on our athletic uniforms to forward the brand. I suppose we each could repeatedly express our displeasure at every opportunity but what would that do except create a divisive atmosphere at a time where unity is wanted and needed.
Dr. Woodson is leading North Carolina State University into a world of leadership and recognition not previously known here. While I don’t like NC State in lieu of State, I’m aligning with the brand, NC State.
That’s the most serious sh*t I’ve ever posted on SFN.
Many of us don’t like the use of an alternate uni but today alternate uni’s are a fact of life in athletic wear. I don’t want the Pack to wear it as often as our ice hockey friends, The Canes do, but for football I can stand 2 out of 12 times. At home 2 of those cool black alternate uni’s and the remainder with red jerseys mixed with red pants or white pants. Away games wear white jerseys with white or red pants. Maybe we can find an opponent that wants to do a ‘white out’ and wear our alternate black. A similar alternate arrangement for basketball and other sports would work. But most of all let’s win big enough and often enough that we become adidas’s model for their sports wear. I wouldn’t mind being for “adidas” in the east like Oregon is for Nike in the west.
At least we don’t have to come up with alternate shades of red like the holes have to do to hide handicap blue that is their primary color.
Go Pack!
Great write-up! Just what we need here and now.
According to statistics a likely FSU win is 83%. Any sane person knows FSU will win. So what? Sanity is not statistical.
Coach Doeren has asked, “Why not us?” or maybe it’s a statement phrased as a question. Either way, WHY NOT US!
Can you believe this?
The Free Dictionary » Quote of the Day » For the strength of the Pack is the Wolf, and the strength of the Wolf is the Pack.Are the stars lining up for a Wolfpack upset?
- THE WOLF
“Now is the Law of the Jungle—as old and true as the sky;
And the wolf that shall keep it may prosper, but the wolf that shall break it must die.
As the creeper that girdles the tree-trunk, the Law runneth forward and back—
For the strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack.”
Rudyard KiplingGrey, buddy, come on now, you have to know I’m referring to this stat in the future sense. If State continues to give up percentages like that against better competition it’s going to come back and bite them in the ass.
Jiggy, For sure I know you were speaking of future games. I was pointing out that in 4 previous games the very statistics you were referring to had NOT cost us one single game. I them went on to say why I disagreed with you under some circumstances.
Isolating a statistic and foreseeing the future based on that stat is a dangerous game. While we were giving up 1st downs on 3rd and 4th down, we were allowing only 2.25 trips into the RZ. We were also rotating fresh linemen and Linebackers, keeping our best defenders fresh and reasonably rested. foose does a thorough job above explaining the how’s and why’s of the bend, don’t break defense. It’s worth reading.
At the risk of repeating myself I’m saying again, “Bend, not break” defense is some times a good strategy and is nearly always criticized by the fans as bad defense. I don’t know anybody who would not take a game against FSU that did not allow a long TD, only 2.25 trips into the RZ and whatever our RZ success rate is. True FSU is the number 1 rated team in the country. They were highly rated the last 2 times they visited The Carter and left without a win.
Anything is possible playing with that oblong, crazy bouncing ball. Now, think a good thought.
First serious: The kid should have gone to court and did the plea bargaining thing with the ADA before court actually started. If first offense he probably gets PFJC.
Is that all Barney has to do, ride around ticketing kids on Mopeds without a helmet on? Come on Andy, get this under control. There’s plenty of bad sh*t going on for the Keystone Kops to keep busy. Turn his ass in to the Honor Court. Let the Student DA handle it. Jesuschrist on a moped! Come on Mr. DOG. I know I screwed that line up. 😉
Never have been able to figure out why the games in their were cold and now it’s hot all football season.
Stick, Maybe the sun dropped behind that building that generated steam for the campus. We got in the shade a lot quicker in Riddick than The Carter.
Speaking of lower tier bowls… USAToday has us in the Quick Lane Bowl in Detroit on 12/26. Michigan recuiting inroads right there, I tell ya!
Now that’s what I call ‘thinking a good thought.’ I gotta feeling that USAToday sees us at 6-6 and with any luck at all we’ll be 7-5 and in a better bowl. Bowl committees do like teams with fan that travel, you know.
Right on, ryebread. Last year we were not particularly strong on defense and there was no QB to blame that on. We may be from a little to somewhat improved on defense with the base 4-2-5 and a few better athletes on the field. And I don’t want to sell the strength and conditioning short either. The proof of the pudding is as always in the eating. Let’s hope we have something on the menu for FSU to chew on.
Defenses are traditionally behind offensive trends which partially explains why “the next hot offensive scheme” works so well. Ask The Hat about that. The offense that was so hot at his last stop has been somewhat caught up with. Too bad for eweNC that they caught him on the top of that curve and hopefully heading down, not on the way up. That may be wishful thinking on my part but so what.
This notion that defenses catch up with offenses, if true, gives me hope for the Pack. Apparently our coaches are creating on the fly with the Wildcat or Wildwolf as I prefer to call it. I see that as an omen that we won’t be stuck with an offense that we have to fire the HC or his OC to fix. IMO that’s what happened to TOB and Bible.
The big question in my mind is can Doeren and Hux (or whoever) keep abreast of the offensive trends and make the necessary adjustments?
Not so easy to see how TOB & Bible could see that DE wasn’t on the scale with RW talent wise
Of course that should read “could NOT SEE that DE wasn’t on the scale with RW talent wise…
Grey – just FYI I did 2 entries on a blog rw’s true freshman year…I was a huge fan early on (still am.) I know the staff gave serious consideration to playing him vs. ECU… But d. Evans started hot and I think the staff decided to keep the redshirt rather than burn it.
Chop – Easy to see how one might think TOB/Bible recruited RW, they did re-close our LOI offer. Not so easy to see how TOB & Bible could see that DE wasn’t on the scale with RW talent wise and every other kind of wise. Did they think DE was the second coming of Johnny Evans?
If I came across as snippy, I apologize.
I keep forgetting “NC State Football By The Numbers – Post (Last Opponent) Edition” is ALL the stats from every game. So unless I can remember all the stats from all the games, I might as well take WV Wolf’s word for the numbers OR go read another thread. 😉 Thanks again, WV Wolf, for doing what I sure as hell ain’t going to do.
Boys. A muffed punt is a team turnover.
Thanks Mr. DOG. (Why does say Jeff wrote?)I knew that a muffed punt wasn’t an individual fumble but didn’t realize it was called a TEAM Fumble.
So is the stat line: “TEAM: 2 fumbles, 1 lost” saying “2 muffed punts, 1 recovered by our TEAM and 1 by the opps TEAM”? Is the case of a ball bouncing into a blocker’s leg included in this stat? Makes sense that it isn’t an individual fumble since the individual didn’t have possession to fumble.
Kinda like an incomplete pass, eh? Bad stat but not attributed to the receiver in the box score but is to the passer. As it should be since the passer usually gets most of the credit, he should get the blame as well.
3rd Down Pct Defense: 44.1% (11, 90)
4th Down Pct Defense: 62.5% (11, 79)
This right here will cost State games.Jiggy, Maybe that should read, ‘could cost’ since we are 4-0. This is like 6 turnovers ‘could have cost’ MD the game (but it didn’t, MD won.) I say this because “Bend, not break” defense is some times a good strategy and is nearly always criticized by the fans as bad defense.
My mind slipped to the Presbyterian game. Not saying that’s what we were doing but it is possible since the coaches have been concerned about our giving up the big play. (see Doeren’s pressers) I grant that in most cases it is a stat of concern — but not always. Still good observation — one the coaches are sure to make as well.
Opp have been in the red zone 12 times and have scored 9 times (5TD/4FG).
Stat sounds like terrible defense until I figure out that the opps are averaging only 2.25 times into
the RZ per game. This is somewhat like a HS stat that measured how often I ALMOST got laid. Even now I almost get laid every day — almost on Monday, almost on Tuesday, almost every day. 😉Dem stats be fun stuff when I know WTF I’m reading.
Red Zone Defense: 75.0% (6, 33)
Somebody explain to me, please, how Red Zone Defense is calculated, Presbyterian didn’t score so it can’t be based on scoring. I would have thought that the RZD would have been 100% since Presby didn’t score.
Thanks for putting this together.
Tackles For Loss Allowed: 2.0 (1, 1)
Who are those uglies and what have you done with our OL?Bra’Lon Cherry: 1 fumble, 0 lost
Shadrach Thornton: 1 fumble, 0 lost
TEAM: 2 fumbles, 1 lost
Is there a typo here or is there something I don’t understand?To answer the original question…not really. But that doesn’t mean that the opposite isn’t true. In other words, if you are not in a bowl most years, then recruiting will suffer.
So true. It’s just like a lot of things where the presence of something makes no real difference but the absence of the same thing does. Ex: Just having a college degree will not get you a great job but not having one may keep you from landing one.
We are very close to being 2-2. Fortunately we are not. You have to win the cupcakes in year 2 – just too hard to keep selling recruits when you lose those games.
The GSU game was close to being a loss, fortunately we weren’t playing horse shoes. Nice job of trying to turn a positive into a negative. FAIL
Hopefully we now have a coach who can capitalize on our largest competitor’s failures as opposed to being out-recruited even while they were hindered by one of the largest NCAA scandals in history.
Gosh, I hope not. Fortunately Dave Doeren will not be ‘capitalizing’ on our competitors failures — not knowingly. We will continue to recruit based on what Coach Doeren and NC State have to offer, not UNC’s failures. There’s a saying, “A dog who’ll bring a bone will take a bone.” Recruits who come here based on UNC’s failures will leave here based on what they consider to be our failures. Let’s work with young men who want what Doeren and NC State have to offer. Those that see the light and de-commit are making their own choices, not Doeren capitalizing on a competitor’s failures. Those failures still have ECU, Duke, Wake Forest and 125 other schools available to them if they want them. We aren’t their only other choice.
but tob/bible had a knack for finding them
I give Bible all the credit in the world for his ability to coach QB’s – Wilson, Glennon and others — but IICR neither he nor TOB found Russell Wilson. CTC did that. All TOB did was turn the Wilson situation into a clusterf*ck. We didn’t honor our word to Russell. (BTW Wilson’s red shirt was the most expensive RS NC State ever paid for. Fans are allowed a little 20/20 hindsight. Right?) 😉
the talent disparity is pretty big.
I think the talent disparity in Greenville points to what good coaching and heart can accomplish. It also shows what can happen when that talent doesn’t have the character to keep on keepin’ on. Those stars didn’t mean squat when the purple people eaters got rolling. Some of the boys from brokeback hill packed it in when the going got tough. I don’t expect the Pack to roll over and play dead no matter how tough it gets.
No matter how much talent the Noles have, they can only play 11 at a time. I’m not predicting a win — not out loud anyway, but it wouldn’t be the first highly rated team to lose on one given Saturday.
Now let’s see what Coaches Doeren and Canada have up their sleeves. Passes from the wildwolf, maybe? LB stunts?
At least we won’t have to read about how sorry the other team was on SFN this weekend.
Go Pack!
Jiggy,
Thanks for the cool reply. I agree. It’s time to call an end to the Presbyterian game analysis. I only hope we have a seriously delightful time analyzing a win over FSU. 😉Finally going away, here’s something that might help explain the slow start we seem to have on offense. I don’t know if we do this or not but many if not all the pro teams do it and that is they run a dozen or so plays from a script written before hand. I think they are doing this to see what the defense is doing under different circumstances. If the script goes well, then it is transparent. If not then you wonder WTF they are doing.
foose, DOG, help me out here if I’ve screwed this up.
The injury jinx hit the middle LB position pretty hard. Not all injured Lbs were MLBs but the projected starter was. Another, Ty Linden was counted on to play. Coult Culler may not have been counted on to play before the injuries to MJ and Ty. Robinson is admittedly a walk on but that does cause a shortage on the scout squad.
Defensive scheme changed from 4-3 to 4-2-5
Responsibilities for LB and Safeties change. After ‘vanilla’ is put in, “flavors” get added in to make life difficult for opps offense.This leaves *FR Jared Fernandez at middle LB backed up by true freshman, Airious Moore. Rodman Noel has come on strong at the other LB but both backers and their back-ups have new assignments in the new scheme. There are 2 freshmen in the back at nickel back and one safety.
Wait there’s more.
DL changed from even to odd technique
More practice and drills in both technique and responsibilities
Then live fire in gamesJet sweep read option not a possibility with 2013 Qbs
Wildcat put in to save wear and tear on Jacoby Brissette running the ball.
Offense limited to short passing game independently worked on over summer months
Passing game coordinated with OL protectionl
RB’s trained in read option jet sweep out of Wildcat
We haven’t seen a pass off the Wildcat look. Yet.You don’t just ‘tell’ the RB’s to do the read option, it must be practiced with repetition
All RB’s must be able to run the Wildcat read option least the defense know it’s coming
WR’s and Jalen Samuels at FB must be factored in and practied
Not used in games if it’s put in is passing from Wildcat.I think we ought to be standing and cheering for the job they’ve done just to play in the new systems, not just the result.
Mean while some fans are judging and evaluating the offense and defense as if it was all in from Day 1. The 2014 Pack is doomed to repeated failures based on what the fans saw at games 1 and 2 and 4. Value of playing GSU and ODU because they are judged to be weak. Our Game 3 opponent, USF, is considered irrelevant due to 2013 W/L record. Never mind their freshman RB gained 275 yard in his 1st college game. USF has a new as we do and are slow to get it together. Ask UConn how USF is doing.
So I get a little annoyed at some of us for disrespecting the job the players and coaches have done to get ready for the conference schedule and for some fans forgetting why we play the game at all.
I did not say or imply it happened every time but they were getting pushed around enough to notice they were getting out muscled by guys weighing 50-100 lbs less than them.
Jiggy, You may have your numbers backwards. PC’s starting OL actually outweighed our starting DL. Perhaps some of your other “facts” may be wrong as well. 50-100 lbs, really. That would make the 2 tackles weigh from 210 to 160. LOL
I’m assuming you see these games as tangible results while assuming the competition is still pretty good; I see these games as worthless beyond seeing the mistakes that are made over and over again and will be worse when State plays someone with a pulse.
You quoted me as saying “In all 4 games the coaches were using those games as “pre-season” learning experiences.” How could you then assume I see these games as tangible results? “Results” of what you don’t say but I guess you mean I think State is a good team because we beat what is spoken of as ”
You quote me
a smaller, quicker, well coached OL can do things to open running lanes that larger slower OL cannot do.
and then you say “I did not say or imply it happened every time but they were getting pushed around enough to notice they were getting out muscled by guys weighing 50-100 lbs less than them. There’s a difference between speed and speed with strength and if players at PCU are that much faster than the State DL then it’s worse than I thought.”
Jiggy, your arguments to contradict what I say have little or no relationship to what I said. I don’t think I’m inclined to explain trap blocking, leverage, pulling, etc., but even Presbyterian coaches are smart enough to not try to out muscle the larger state DL. There are many things these coaches can do to take what advantage they can with smaller, quicker linemen. There was a coach at Alabama named Bryant whose OL and DL were often quite a bit smaller than the opposing lines. He seemed to do alright with those guys.
My last comment on big vs. small players is this:
1. If you have big, fast players it doesn’t matter what offense of defense you run or use.
2. If you have big, slow players, you run power offense and even technique defenses.
3. If you have small, quick players, you run finesse type offenses and odd technique defenses.
(Example: Wake forest under Jim Grobe.)
4. If you have small, slow players, see number 1.I contend that the building blocks of our just installed 4-2 5 defense were being installed vs GSU, ODU and USF. Same for our Wildwolf and jet sweep. Only Creecy had Wildwolf/Wildcat plays called for him. Dayes and Thorton were not ready during the GSU game. I don’t believe our shifting that so confused USF was installed for either GSU or ODU. They may have been vs. ODU, I’m just not sure. The coaches implied we would be tweaking the base D during the week before the PC game. Given the relative strengths of the State and PS there was little need to spend time on a game plan for PC nor was there a real need to “pump” them up for that game. And it showed. What didn’t show was what will be used vs. FSU.
I am NOT arguing that GSU, ODU or USF are in the same class as most of the Power 5 conference teams however GSU and ODU DID came to play — prepared to throw everything the could at us. Coach Doeren came to those games preparing for our conference games. Yes, we wanted to win and we did but not at all costs.
As far as “I think after 25% of the season has been played it’s safe to make quality analysis of tendencies that are being repeated over and over again.” I don’t think it’s safe to make quality analyses at this point given what I know about what we were doing, but I hope Jimbo Fisher agrees with you. ‘Cause if he does, I think we got a surprise for his ass.
Thank you for your comments. I hope we can respectfully disagree on this and perhaps other points as the season goes forward. (I’ve always wanted to say “goes forward” in a sentence.) I do agree that “one of us will be proven correct in the next few weeks” although I don’t think we were merely “feasting on dessert.”
I can’t see your logic in predicting “the offense will continue to score points but only in the 20-29 point range…” And while our offense may find scoring more difficult I don’t think “struggle against better defenses” is an accurate assessment. We shall see, won’t we. Please counter comment as you see fit. I actually enjoy these kind of discussions. I do get more out of them when the other side is a little more specific than “mistakes that are made over and over again” and “repeating tendencies over and over again.” Got any examples of these “mistakes and tendencies” to share.
BTW Do you plan on using how we play against the number 1 ranked team in the nation as evidence you are right? If we play well, I’ll admit I do. 😉 And I know you hope I’m right.
CP1, I am worried too. Those jet sweeps are prime for some holding calls whether they are holding or not.
Not to worry. The WR and TE/FB coaches will be all over that when they view the game film today (Sunday). Unless you like some think they are in over their heads and can’t coach high school. 😉
Five possible reasons for our slow start on defense: First time starters for the PC game on defense were Drew Davis and Pharaoh McKever at DE, Monty Nelson at DT, and Tim Buckley at nickel. Did these guys “beat out” Mike Rose, Art Norman, TY McGill or Dra Wright for starting positions? I kinda doubt it.
It seems like I spend 80% of my waking hours thinking about, talking about, writing about or wondering about Wolfpack football. The rest of the time I just waste.
