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Drew Davis RS Sophomore DE from Broughton High School in Raleigh
I can’t believe the gremlins went back and put Drew back on the roster after I looked. š
Very eye opening. This should give some idea of the miracle that our run at FSU truly was.
“but only Davis receives consistent playing time.”
I have a mind-fart myself every now and then but who did you mean? The only Davis on the roster is true freshman, Elliot Davis who I believe is being red-shirted.Thanks jr. The “game” to watch at this point is the recruiting game and you and you set that game up good. And thanks for the supporting comments, Yogi.
I guess I’m old school and will watch and will be pulling and cheering for the team. Kind of old fashion and corny as Kansas but raised my kids using the principle that when they deserved love the least was when the needed it the most. I feel the same way about
ourthe Wolfpack.I likely won’t be posting during the game as I have seen all the cute, smart-arsed remarks I can stand already.
Go Pack… and watch your back. With friends like some on the boards, you won’t need any enemies.
Just FYI ā I believe we have burned Vincentās redshirt.
Thanks for the correction. My bad. Burned it on special teams verses Clemson and maybe others.
If you arenāt winning, you arenāt going to be around long.
Wulfpack, I respect your opinion but I trust history more.
Frank Beamer first three seasons were 2-9. 3-8, 6-4-1 and didn’t go to a bowl in 7 years.
Mack Brown first 3 seasons were 1-10 and 1-10 and then 6-4-1 and five years to go a bowl.
Bobby Ross went 2-9, 3-8 and 7-4 in his first 3 years. Then a national title in his fourth.
George Welsh started off slow at Navy and at UVA.
Recently? David Cutliffe had 5 losing seasons before winning.
IMO All of these coaches proved to be the best head coaches these schools had. All of them had to change the culture of their programs and were able to learn and adjust on the job. It took bringing in their own athletes in and finding a staff that meshed.
Doeren has had his hands full from Day 1.We’ve just had some exciting recruiting news and expect more. I’m trusting that Debbie Yow is not as trigger happy as some of the fan base. Coach Dave Doeren will make decisions, some tough, to move forward and improve.
Desmond Owino from Raleigh.
IIRC Owino was offered late but either couldn’t get in or elected to go the juco route. Again IIRC correctly he had only recently immigrated and had just started playing football. What was attractive about him was his motor was always running — whatever that means. š Don’t know how he did in juco but if the Pack is after him, I assume he did alright. He was recruited as a DE then.
Very well stated state of State’s football affairs. There is a real danger of the Pack not going to a “crappy” bowl. Not going to a bowl is not the issue, it’s the loss of “Winter Practice” which is the way I think of the extra practice time bowl teams get.
In the short term much is being made of our not having won a conference game under Doeren. Okay, but so what. If we had beaten, say Wake Forest last year, what difference would that make, really? What is both critical and important is recruiting — that and playing experience of some key true and redshirt freshmen. Winning a conference game per se is like kicking a field goal verses Clemson. It would stop the talk about a shut out but would make no significant difference. The only difference winning a couple of conference games makes is bowl eligibility.
Again SFN, thanks for a straight and fair statement on the state of State’s football affairs.
Fatigued after the first qtr?
Thatās the sorriest excuse Iāve heard since the days of the HSSS.Are you still chasing that “average offense” story that you were so wrong about? That “average offense” before Thuney went out put hung 49 points on USF that FSU struggled with last Saturday.
Maybe it wasn’t fatigue. That was just my opinion of a possible cause of faltering after a very good first quarter. I have no statistical evidence for that which some of you guys think is of paramount importance.
Doeren has expressed concern for the team being fatigued without a bye week to rest up. But what does he know. He hasn’t won a conference game and we know how significant that is.
Maybe you haven’t experienced classes, studying, tutors, football meetings, practice and more each day then play every down on offense on Saturday for seven consecutive weeks. I didn’t say “tired” I said fatigued. Definition of fatigue. “Physical fatigue is the transient inability of a muscle to maintain optimal physical performance, and is made more severe by intense physical exercise.” The combination of a football players daily schedule plus the play without rest produces a state of fatigue that lasts longer and is more profound. It’s a nearly constant state of weariness that develops over time and diminishes your energy and mental capacity.
Doeren was so concerned about his entire team being fatigued that he altered his practice schedule — going from 20 minutes of work with 5 minutes of ‘walk thru’ to 10 minutes of work, then 5 minutes of ‘walk thru.’
The defensive line coaches rotate 5 DE’s and 5 DT’s to prevent short term fatigue during the games. Our S&C coaches have done a marvelous job of preparing our players to play 60 minutes as a team, however, the Ironman duties since Thuney went out have taken a toll on the OL.
Sorry you have a problem comprehending this. Think of it as cramming for weeks and them going in to take a statistics exam. It’s not the exam that gets you, it’s the extended time spent cramming. You may be so smart that you never had to cram, then I can appreciate your not understanding the fatigue the OL might have felt.
Hopefully we are recruiting some judo dBās.
Workman is from Greensboro or there abouts so I’m not sure we out and out recruited him. I’m not hopeful we will be actively recruiting Juco’s. we are redshirting several highly thought of CB’s such as Troy Vincent.
Right now I’m thinking my “good thoughts” on Hines, Hughes and McGirt. Perhaps I should include Marcus Marshall in that group. Yesterday I went early to see what was going on with recruits. At about 2:30 it looked like a hundred or so recruits and people accompanying them went down on the field. Some were commits to other schools. My guess is that Doeren is in it for the long haul — hosting any and all to build relationships with high schools players and coaches in North Carolina and other states. A college coach who is great with high school athletes whether they are 4 and 5 star recruits or not, committed or not will get to talk to the highly sought after recruits in the future. Already we are in the running for more quality athletes from North Carolina that we’ve ever been.
If a couple more topple we could have a very strong 2015 class.
We also got a second commit yesterday, Daris Workman, a 265 lb OL — who also played basketball. (an extenuating circumstance for being only 265 lbs, perhaps) Before we write him off consider that it might be easier to add 30 lbs. of muscle over a couple of years than take off 30 lbs. of bad weight. I believe Kentucky ‘offered’ him as well.
Ever hear of D’Brickashaw Ferguson? “Ferguson played for the Virginia Cavaliers football team. He started his college career listed at 260 pounds, often dropping to 245 pounds through the regular season. He started 49 games for the Cavaliers, and he was named to the consensus All-America first team during his final season. He was placed on the all-Atlantic Coast Conference first team two years in a row, and he became Virginia’s first All-ACC offensive tackle since 1998. Ferguson started at left tackle in four consecutive bowl games for the Cavaliers.”
Will he turn out to be another Ferguson? Who knows but let’s not snicker just yet.
Glad to have both these guys. Who’s next. Hines, Hughes, McGirt or all 3?
The D is undersized as a whole.
(sarcasm alert)We need a DC who knows how to turn undersized players into dominant ones. Our current DC is experiencing the highs and lows of an assistant — low pay and high criticism.
I make no claim to having an in-depth understanding of football. I appreciate the knowledge I gain on this site. But I have to ask. With better talent, would we run the same defensive scheme?
Or is our defense set to our talent level?IMNSHO We are running this defensive scheme as our base defense because of the number of teams who run spread offenses. I don’t think our talent level has a lot to do with decision to use operate from the 4-2-5. foose and Mr. DOG have more football knowledge than I do and might have a different point of view. But to be honest unless someone was in on the decision making process we’ll never know for sure.
Nobody asked but I will offer my opinion as to the REAL problem with the defense. Hux nor anyone else on our staff knows how the 4-2-5 is suppose to be played therefore they aren’t coaching it effectively. It could be that Hux is unwilling to listen but that’s not likely. I think I saw Doeren calling the defensive signals from the sideline. Even so I don’t thing he will fire Hux mid-season. That might be OK for an AD to fire a HC mid-season but that rarely happens at the assistant coach level. He might change duties and make someone else DC but not out of spite.
In the mean time while the assistant coaches are scouting out playing talent, Doeren would do well to be scouting out coaching talent — I never thought I’d be saying this — on both sides of the ball.
Again IMNSHO I believe Canada is a brilliant offensive mind but lacks play-calling ability. I mean right-now, in-the-moment, play calling smarts. He doesn’t seem to use his offense to set up big plays to exploit at critical points. Example: BC calls a beautifully-executed reverse off a faked jet sweep for a touchdown. On 1st and 10 on the 15 after a turnover, Canada calls an off tackle wildcat using our least effective back — a power play against a stacked defense. I forget the next play – incomplete slant pass across the middle IIRC — but on 3rd and long he calls a quick pass that would have been short if it was complete. To ice the cake we missed a chip shot FG attempt.
What happened to our offense? I have touched on the fatigue factor before. Notice how well we did in the first quarter them began to peter out? IMO fatigue. Bad enough Thuney is out but with Thuney in Adams or Barr should not be the only relief available.
A second problem with our over-achieving OL is their lack of mobility as a unit. BC was able to get out in front and lead block on sweeps and runs designed to get to the edge. We have to rely on being able to move people out of the way. Ain’t going to happen all things being equal. It isn’t as easy as saying we need _____ (fill in the blank.) We have to have the athletes to run the offense of choice.
There’s a cost for everything. Gear up for the spread and you are vulnerable to power offenses. Gear up to stop the run and you are vulnerable to the pass. We seem to be able to stop on 2nd down but our 3rd down defense is all too often fooled.
“Doerenās wheeling and dealing from the sidelines ā see the fake punt from deep in our own territory last year vs UNC-CHeats ā has helped put him a little behind the 8-ball in the win/loss column, helping create a 0-10 record vs ACC competition since arriving at State.”
Seems like I am forever at odds with the SFN lead author. The above comment is stated as a fact but it really is only an interpretation and opinion.
1. The implication is Doeren is a “wheeler, dealer”? Nothing could be further from the truth. The evidence cited is false. Any other evidence could be interpreted differently.
2. Did Doeren call the fake punt? Reported by someone who should know, it was called on the field.
3. Had the fake punt been successful, it unlikely would have made any difference in the outcome of the game.
4. Winning a prior ACC game would be like kicking a field goal in the Clemson game. It would stop the shutout talk but make no real difference.We would all do well to look out in front of us and stop the compulsive looking in the rearview mirror. Trends are useful in predicting actions, but not so useful in predicting results.
It would be ‘nice’ if we won a few ACC games. It would be ‘nice’ if we went to a “crappy” bowl this year. It would be nice if a frog had wings so he wouldn’t bump his ass when he jumps.
Todays game pits BC’s strength against our weakness — rushing vs. run defense. We have a strong run game but BC has a strong run defense. We are favored probably because BC doesn’t have a strong passing game and we do. We’ve gotten our hopes up but winning today will be exceeding expectations.
Me? I’m going early and be there for the 2:30 ‘whatever it is.’ If we win, that’s great. If we lose, let it be respectable. My concern is for our OL. Chandler, Adams, Schooley, Barr and Crisp played every O-snap against both FSU and CU. I heard that Doeren altered his practice routine this week to give the players some rest during practice. Will it be enough?
Alpha’s comment:
NC State first employed the āBlock Sā in the late 1880s shortly after its inception and a couple of years before Leland Stanfordās farm was converted into a university.Saying āI was here firstā is not much of a marketing strategy.
I don’t get the relationship between what Alpha commented and your comment.
Would be nice to have $50Mil and a hot tub full of playmates.
Be careful. Left my 70 year old wife in the hot tub too long once and she came out all wrinkled.
I got lucky last weekend. Getting lucky for me is remembering what I came in the room for.
Football is kinda quiet. Not much to do but wait and see if the defense shows up. If it does, we got a real good chance at winning. If not, well… maybe we can get lucky. š
Thatās why the Our State campaign was so brilliant (at first).
LRM, You are the first person I’ve seen with the courage to say this. It was brilliant until the heavy handed dolts shifted the context from a declaration/creation to a false statement of fact. I flinched every time I saw an ad or video of one of our players “staking a claim” and planting a flag. It became a brag, not a creation. Not only did it lose it’s brilliance, it became and albatross around our neck.
Context is decisive. In the context of proudly proclaiming this is our state like you might claim Raleigh is your home town, We had a winner. When the idiots shifted the context to we own the state and planted flags to stake our claim, it became an embarrassment. Think not? Did you ever read or hear it was an embarrassment in the first year?
In the context it was created in it was a short step to NC State being thought of as Our Univesity. I’m pretty sure TOB was the first to use this and I believe it was his intention to use as a serious counter to Brokeback Hills claim “THE University of North Carolina.” This statement couple with our kicking their ass football 5 years in a row was a dynamite combination — until the sh*theads in Annabelle’s domain screwed it up.
We were headed in the direction of overdoing it with Make a STATEment. Overdoing a good thing. Force feeding it to all who were within earshot. Thank goodness the admin is aware of how we killed Our State and have scaled it back and hope it will carry forth for many years as the University STATEment, a vehicle for promoting North Carolina State University.
Now if we could just put a gag on our stadium announcer. Yuk!
Iām guess you mean the helmet golf cart?
God only knows and he ain’t saying. I thought he meant the helmet the golf cart is resembles. š I’ve seen that sentiment before.
I fail to see the analogy as described.
Let me help you out here. I mean to “make no mistake” but as near as I can tell, the turd has something to do with who’s making the analogy.
So they are worried about 6 or 8 people showing up in purple shirts? Or didn’t they notice the attendance at our game down there?
but ever the best 5 star, blue chip recruits are still just kids. What they are attracted to is so far outside the realm of what I even find interesting.
Gosh, Stanford, Notre Dame, Bama, SCal, Mich., UT, etc., are offering what? I believe you have lost sight of the fact that these recruits have high school coaches and parents advising them in the selection process. Sure, you have some high school kids who are immature and make choices that get them in trouble. My observation tells me that the vast majority would not be attracted by some clown, maybe even turned off.
It might be worthwhile to see how many teams have put up 41 points on the #1 team in the country. I do know that is hard to do with an āaverageā offense.
It’s a lot harder to put up 41 points on the #1 team in the country than it is to get shut out by one of the best defenses in the country.
I wonder how these teams who have not been shut out would do 2 weeks in a row verses Florida State and Clemson?
The Strutting Wolf needs to be the primary mascot for NC State. Eventually the administration will wake up and get it.
Did you mean logo and athletic administration, ryebread? I can align with the Strutting Wolf being our primary athletic logo, but I suspect that the university administration is looking at the bigger picture. I love the Strutting Wolf but if that was the university logo, I’m afraid we would get laughed out of the room.
BTW I think sheep are the perfect mascot for the boys over on Brokeback Hill, if you know what I mean.
Maybe we should go with solid well executed football over uniform changes.
But if we did that, we’d miss out on all the ridiculous comments we get.
Thatās a rather dumb, general, blanket statement.
Creating a false axiom that can easily be discredited as evidence to support a subjective opinion coming from someone posturing themselves as the voice of reason, truth, and virtuous posts is quite comical.Strong message to follow!
Once again, not what I said.
Once again, twisting facts was not what I did, either. IMO “Twisting facts” was a strawman used in our disagreement.
