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They have a nice program but don’t make them out to be what they aren’t.
And this was the point of the original post — many were (and still are) making GSU out to be a cupcake. They aren’t. They’re not a powerhouse or anything like that. And the post didn’t even hint that they were. Just that they were not a cupcake.
If there was a hidden agenda, it was that State did well to beat them. Any team that was 3-9 previously would be doing well to beat an FBS team that was 8-2. As has been pointed out the apparent point in calling GSU a “cupcake” is to put down our team — to diminish the accomplishment of beating a team that has proven themselves a worthy OOC opponent. Not a powerhouse but a good team never-the-less.
I compared how GSU was doing in its conference with how Alabama, etc., was doing in their conference. ‘Troll said he was ‘lmao’ for my comparing the Sunbelt conference with the SEC. Either ‘Troll has a reading disorder OR he deliberately twisted my words. Either way I have no interest in this kind of exchange. I use ‘Troll as an example. His is not an isolated incident. This may explain the lessening of SFN readership and comments.
It’s one thing to debate, another entirely different matter to be the subject of the sort of thing pointed to in the above paragraph. I’ve enjoyed good, respectful debates with Rye, foose, Yogi and others (there are so many combinations of Wuf, Pak, etc., I can’t keep them straight LOL). I’ve learned a lot about football in general and State football in particular from those guys and of course The COWDOG, although I worry about Mr. DOG because we rarely disagree. 😉
I often disagree with some of the content of the lead post. I’m not inclined to let a few factual points carry non-fact based points, hints and sometimes insinuations. Likewise if someone takes the darker side of a gray fact and that side puts State down, you can just about count on my taking the lighter side of gray. I know I’ve pissed off more than a few doing just that. I’ve been told I am caustic at times and believe it or not I try to keep my comments, if not cordial then more civil.
If any mod is reading this, I would offer one suggestion: if possible create a way to “ignore” other posters.
This would allow the negative nancies to ignore what I have to say — just skip right over it and could keep posters, such as foose, around for others such as myself to enjoy.Tomorrow’s game is huge. A win and we build some momentum for the future and recruiting will be easier. It would be nice to go into chapel hill as the team that could play loose.
Great points. With the win we are bowl eligible, build momentum and could play the holes loose.
Maybe I’m just picky but IMNSHO there is a critical distinction between a win being huge and a need to win.
Sorry, not impressed.
Wasn’t posted to impress. It was posted to shine a light on one of our opponents who has been repeatedly referred to as a cupcake. Not many teams are undefeated (7-0) in their conference, whatever the conference — not Alabama, not Georgia, not LSU, etc.
You went to a lot of trouble to discredit Georgia Southern. I had given you credit for being bigger person than that. Sorry, not impressed.
Thanks! These must be some of the folks I posted about in my Doeren Really, Really Needs to Win post. They’ll be really. really disappointed (but not angry) if we lose to Wake.
Let them have some fun. Or would you prefer, “The floggings will continue until morale improves!”
Post of the week!
but dudes he sure wouldn’t survive a third with similar results.
My mistake. I thought this was about the 2nd year. You have a good point about the 3rd year BUT this is about the 2nd year or did I read it wrong.
Too much time, money and thought is spent on uniforms and not enough on catching and holding on to the friggin’ ball!!!
What the heII does time, money and thought by the equipment managers have to do with the players catching and holding the ball?
”Doeren and his charges hold their future in their own hands.” Well said
Very well said.
Alpha also says, “(If we lose to Wake) the Carter-Finley faithful will again leave disappointed. Or more likely, angry.” I’ve never left a football game that we lost anything but disappointed. As I trudge my way through the parking lots, I see a lot of people who are also disappointed but rarely do I see people angry. Only after I read the game day threads do I find people angry. I overhear very little murmuring about who’s available to replace Doeren. And then it’s usually people who’ve have a snoot full. I pay little attention to drunks tailgating or on these boards on any subject.
I don’t know of DY firing anyone who has not had a fair chance to show they are the right ones for the job. Most of her early firings had long histories of unacceptable results. She is not a loose cannon, firing people who do not produce immediate results. I also don’t let her being a woman confuse me into thinking she doesn’t know what it takes to turn a ship as big as a D1 football program.
I don’t expect to lose to Wake and if we do my confidence in Doeren will take a hit but I will not be on the “fire Dave Doeren” bandwagon.
Rye,
It’s not about reward. (“Is this really the type of team that deserves to be “rewarded” with a bowl game?”)Times are changing. This isn’t the era of ABC, NBC & CBS covering the Rose, Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Gator and Peach bowls. Cable and Satellite TV are beasts that demand content. Thus we now have bowls I haven’t even heard of that need filling.
Expanding the schedule from 10 games to 12 and a conference title game was about TV and 150,000 extra ticket sales. We ain’t going back to 10 games so we will have some a few less than attractive OOC games each year — just like the less than attractive bowls.
The bowl proliferation is about TV, not about matching 2 teams with no more than 3 losses each. As long as the teams are evenly matched, who cares? Watch or don’t watch. Or come on your favorite board, hold your nose in the air and let people know your standards are high and you ain’t watching two teams with 6-6 records play.
As for me, I’m riding the horse in the direction it’s going. It’s much easier that way.
I do know Greywolf. I am talking about TV and the NCAA making the $$$$$ not NC STATE. Don’t assume or read into what is not there.
Here’s what I read and here’s what’s there: “going to a bowl is a joke” Since the conversation was about NC State “going to a bowl,” what did I assume and what id I read into what is not there?
I stand by what I said: the practice time for any tier bowl is valuable to NC state (or any other team FTM.) It would be interesting since you know, how much is “$$$$$” in dollars that the NCAA is making? Or are we supposed to assume that amount? Wait. You said not to assume or read into what is not there, and with “$$$$$” admittedly there is not much there.
I will come and officially eat my crow regarding our defense vs GT’s offense.
Me too. Maybe we need a “crow” thread. I actually feel Okay eating crow. Rather do that than talk the Pack down and be right about that.
I know how the system works but 6-6 and going to a bowl is a joke. <snip> I know it’s all bout the $$$$$$$…
Actually, you don’t know. After costs are deducted there is very little if any left for the school in the lower tier bowls. Look into it and you will find it’s about the extra 20 +/- practice days. Only a few of these days are spent on the bowl game. Most are spent developing players.
I give myself (and others) ’til Monday to get over games like Saturday. 😉
DD has standards and unlike some other coaches, he ain’t violating them to win a few games. Immediately suspended players, some starters in critical positions, when the BB incident occurred. I don’t know all his standards but I am sure they are high and will produce a successful program in due time — kinda like coach Cutt over in Durham.
Samuels, as talented as he is, understands he needs to be able to learn to block to play more. That’s a standard. No blocking skills equals limited playing time. Games are won by blocking and tackling. We are limited in both areas. That will change. Our “schemes” will not cover deficiencies in fundamentals. The bees WRs blocked and their backs blocked — oh, how they blocked.
I’m hoping we get to a bowl, any bowl. We need the practice time.
Go Pack!
Grey, I wasn’t offended, just amused.
I didn’t really think you were but still felt the stand-up thing to do was acknowledge my gaff.
Sensational might not be the most accurate description. Perhaps inflammatory? In the article about Doeren commenting on the need of the team to have the fans behind them at the start of the 3rd quarter, the headline writer — I forget the exact word — changed the tone of Doeren’s statement entirely by using an inflammatory description rather than what the writer wrote and intended. Were I the writer I would have been pissed because they have to ‘live’ with the coaches all season, year after year. Their job gets very difficult when coaches don’t trust them or refuse interviews.
Like Yogi said, that’s old news. All I’m doing is trying to provide some insight for those who think the headline is part of the article or written by the writer.
We haven’t fared well vs. big, strong, athletic D-lines and that’s what we saw vs. FSU, Clemson, BC and L’ville. ‘Cuse bringing 5 & 6 was a handful also. Our offense compensated by using shorter routes which put more defenders in a concentrated area causing fewer open receivers, naturally giving the big, strong, athletic D-lines more time to pressure Jacobi. It’s a vicious circle, no pun intended. If there is a weakness, DC’s will usually find it.
Perhaps GT’s weaker D-line will give us a chance to run our longer routes and open up the middle for our slot backs and TEs. I would guess that GT is saying with their weaker O-line maybe our D-line can put more pressure on the offense. What we don’t need is more 2 yd. passes on 3rd and 8. Easier said than done. No scheme works when you are getting your arse whipped on the O-line.
I don’t expect 20 yd. gains every time but I say run Samuels more frequently until a defense proves it can stop him. Then exploit what ever they do to stop Samuels. Take what they give us, whatever it is. I’m out of clichés so I’ll close.
…what I expect to happen on Sat….4-6 yds per play for the 5-6 minutes it takes to score a TD. Except for fourth and long, I expect to see GT use all four downs anytime they are near or past mid-field.
With 4-6 yds. per play, there’ll be no 4th and longs. 😉
4th and long, a lot of 4th and longs. That’s what I want to see Saturday.
Grey, I spent a lot of my career writing headlines. Didn’t get paid well enough to be called a whore. More like a skank.
Nothing like putting you foot in your mouth — repeatedly.
I feel like the guy who said:
“There ain’t nothing but whores and football players at eweNC.”
“I’ll have you know my daughter went to eweNC.”
“Really what position did she play?”So, what position did you play? 😉 Like I said, ‘Headline writers are the
whoresskanks of the newspaper business.All kidding aside, sorry about the offense. Question for you, is it accurate that the job of a headline write is to be sensational enough to cause the reader to stop and read the article? Or am I full of sh!t there too?
Easy, fellas – my point was that fan support – despite recent results – has been strong in Carter-Finley.
You’re cool, Prowling Woofie. No apologies needed. I’m the one who overreacted with my headline writer rant. Headline writers are the whores of the newspaper business.
Prowling Woofie wrote:
Given the product on display on the field, I dare say we’ve heard the last grumblings from the coaching staff regarding fan support ????Good lord that one comment has been blown out of proportion.
That one comment was acknowledgment that the team needed the support of the fans and requested that we be there at the start of the 3rd quarter.
Unfortunately the brutally hot weather was not at all what Doeren was accustom to in Wisconsin and Illinois and his comment was ill-advised without acknowledging that. Regardless it was not grumbling or criticism — which the headline in the paper made it out to be and SFN followed suit. This is not criticism of SFN as I seriously doubt the writer of the SFN article realized he was being lead down the garden path.
The whole blow-up was the result of a headline written by some bottom feeding EweNC journalism grad. Recent news has me wonder if English Comprehension was a paper class for EweNC grads who end up headline writers. Their job is to sensationalize headlines to entice the reader to read the story. As we and the public is learning truth and honesty is not a high priority at EweNC. Any resemblance of the headline to the actual writing is purely coincidental.
Next time one of us reads a headline in the Boos & Disturber, we would do well to compare it to the story to see if it is consistent before we form our opinion based on the headline.
Strong comment to follow. 😉
after re-reading your original request, you actually asked for a moving average.
After further consideration I wonder how much moving average in our football schedule would be useful. Too much difference in relative strength of our opponents. Moving averages of something like golf or work units produced would or could measure current skill level whereas averages would tend to hide significant improvement especially as the totals got higher. Moving averages in free-throw shooting would be a better indicator of current skill than averages.
Also some of my answer to VaWolf82 above might be interesting to you regarding this same conversation.
Thanks to both you and VaWolf82. This conversation is a whole lot more fun than some of the pissing contests I’ve gotten in. 😉
Note that I’m not arguing, I just don’t see how you intend to use these comparisons.
I’m an older guy as you likely know and remember the days when good and I mean really good football teams would or could go undefeated averaging say 20 points a game. These days a team averaging 20 ppg might have trouble winning a game. [see NCState] 😉
I was thinking how a team did relative to itself might be more important than how a team did relative to a national average. [see Duke and Pitt Sat.]After I rearranged the stats and looked at them I saw how I could quickly check how a team did relative itself very quickly and only the total scoring made any real difference.
You could say that my even looking was a compliment to WV Wolf for producing the stats as I had never cared how we ranked nationally before. I still think how we rank in the conference would be more useful than how we rank nationally.
The only stat I would argue for is the Take-a-ways vs. Give-a-ways as this stat seems one of the most important — kind of like the +/- in hockey.
Speaking of hockey “How ’bout dem Canes!” Saw them Sunday and will see them Friday and of course watched Saturday and last night. If there ever was an argument for “team effort” IMNSHO the Canes are it. With everyone buying in, they are hard to beat. Without all out team effort, they can’t win a game.
Maybe the Pack is that way.
Bill, I hadn’t had that thought. Part of the price to be paid is a transfer of the flagship!
I think M. Kane has just about got his job done. Now let’s go after that bunch of rug-sweeping, sh!t-covering, self-serving suits like Ross and the BOG/BOT. Folt has dishonored herself with her attack on my heroine, Mary Willingham. And what the hell is Dean doing still around?
Regardless, I thought the defense looked better. <snip> I don’t know what it is…
I don’t know what it is either and I don’t really care what it is… but it is better. And that I DO care about.
I’m the one who was arguing with VaWolf82 that our offense was above average. There are times good people do bad things. In my mind our offense is still an above average offense — one that is not performing above average at this point.
I believe the Wolfpack offense will shake off these bad times and start to produce consistent with the talent we have at QB, RB and receiver. Our offense is not and will not be great until we get an OL that can dominate the LOS.
Very good! I like what you have done!
Just wondering, could you put in GT’s current ranking. That might be fun to see compared to our ranking.
Before I make another request, how easy/difficult would it be to use conference rankings? [You can see where this is heading, can’t you?] 😉
Thanks for your work!!
“Any particular stats you have in mind for trending?”
ncsu1987, Thanks for the offer. I’ve listed some stats that I have rearranged for comparative reasons. Some of these that would make sense to track trending might be useful.
WV Wolf, if you are reading this, the groupings of Offense/Defense and the Sacks, TFL’s and TO’s +/- would IMO be useful in evaluating the stats.
Scoring
Offense: 28.7 (9, 70)
Defense: 27.6 (13, 75)
Total
Offense: 395.2 (10, 70)
Defense: 389.1 (11, 63)
Rushing
Offense: 174.1 (6, 55)
Defense: 171.1 (11, 73)
Passing
Offense: 221.1 (8, 75)
Defense: 218.0 (8, 50)3rd Down
Offence: 43.4% (5, 39)
Defense: 50.4% (14, 121)
4th Down
Offense: 44.4% (11, 78)
Defense: 50.0% (8, 57)
Red Zone
Offense: 85.3% (7, 47)
Defense: 77.4% (6, 32)Sacks vs. Sacks Allowed
Tackles For Loss vs. TFL’s allowed
Turnovers: Take-a-ways vs. Give-a-ways
