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Man, I wish this site kept up with content and discussion like it used to.
I don’t know… The way it is you only have to check the site once every couple of days. ;-(
Besides who wants to read snappy Wolfpack put-downs, which many posters think is real entertainment. I know I get very tired of them. If I want to read that kind of “humor” I’ll go over to Inside Carolina for it.
Thoughts on their QB, Philip Nelson?
Same as Finley…
One thing I want to see is how Ryan Finley performs under pressure. He got an A+ last week, but I’m not sure that was a fair test. This week will tell us a lot more.
Hey everyone first time poster long time forum lurker. wondering if anyone had any thoughts about Johnny Frasier and why he isn’t higher up on the depth chart. I don’t think it’s a lack of talent is he just not understanding the playbook or what. It would really suck not to see him live up to his potential considering what a steal he was by state.
Could be the same type problem that McKever is having — not being a complete player. we had a 5-play package for McKever in the Belk Bowl. Not enough.
I doubt it’s a lack of talent. Is it that Frasier is not blocking or hasn’t learned to block? That limited JaySam’s appearances his freshman year. I heard something about ‘checking his ego at the door’ whatever that means. Thad Moss was a nasty blocker Thursday. He was in on 32 snaps even tho he wasn’t thrown to all that often and even then it was late in the game after the starters had called it a night.
IOW I don’t know why Frasier is not playing more. 🙂
Our path is going to finally get tested in early October. Who KNOWS….6 & 6 should be the floor and 10 & 2 should be the ceiling. Whole lot of FB in between those two numbers.
At this point in our season IMO this is exactly the way for Wolfpack fans to be. We’ve seen too much to be anything less than 6-6 and too little to be 10-2 yet 10-2 is possible with what we have seen.
I’m compromising at 8-4 which is the average between the 2 and which Joe Giglio predicted in one of his columns. Rather bold for a media guy to do publicly I’d say.
Still on this blog? Come on guys! Surely you can come up with something, now that football is in gear. We win, heels lose. Go Pack!
My thoughts exactly. Some Keyshyster or somebody needs to start a Pie Rats thread, please.
We all want to get from the game what we can about the state of our team this year. Tough to do when playing a team from FCS, win or lose.
Just as saying we beat a top-notch team is not accurate, declaring or thinking a good FCS team is vastly inferior distorts what can be gained from the game.
The same is true for our next opponent, ECU. Pretending that Western Carolina is a formidable opponent or even that they are in the class with W&M is just BS.
What one team does against another is not an accurate way to assess the strength of a future opponent. Even if State is a better team than ECU, that doesn’t guarantee a win. Still I liked what I saw vs W&M and wasn’t particularly impressed with ECU defense. For sure the game will be much closer and more exciting. Does ECU have a chance? Most definitely. Are they expected to win? Hardly.
Greywolf seems to know what all the posters are thinking when he says the Pack exceeded all the posters expectations. How do you know that? Did you take a poll?
Getting a little snarky aren’t we? All you have to do is read the comments in the threads to determine that the Pack exceeded expectations in this game. I think I see the problem: I say “the Pack exceeded most posters expectations” and you hear “the Pack exceeded all the posters expectations.”
Both of you are not wrong but I am not going to buy in just because you two think everything is rosie because of a win of a top ten FCS team.
Damn Yogi, I didn’t know you think everything is rosie because of a win of a top ten FCS team. Gowolves seems to have a reading disability.
The Pack did what they were expected to do.
The Pack may have done what YOU expected them to do but the Pack exceeded most posters expectations.
The tribe is not the same team from last year.
And neither is the Pack so why are all the references about last season? It is correct that the Tribe was rated 10th in the FCS this year.
Cautious optimism is all I am saying.
Why say W&M is “vastly inferior” when that is not close to what was thought before the game was played? Cautious optimism has nothing to do with what kind of team the Tribe has. If we beat ECU, ODU and WFU we should be cautiously optimistic about ND and the rest of our schedule.
All I am saying, and I’d bet Yogi too, is don’t trivialize the Pack because you are “cautiously optimistic.”
Did anyone see Pharoah McKever last night? If he was on the field he didn’t make a great number of plays.
Glad you asked that. No, I didn’t see him.
What I did see that was very interesting was Cole Cook in the backfield and #41, Clark Eyers, at TE. He’s a 6-5, 252 lb. TE transfer from Western Carolina and he did a super job blocking on the one play I saw. This may have been in the 1st quarter, for sure the 1st half — not mop-up time.
The HB or TE/FB depth chart was Samuels, Cook and Moss. Of course this is just the first game and things have a way of changing.
Drink is going to get the credit but our run-game coordinator, Dwayne Ledford, is the man who is coaching all that blocking and great run game we saw.
YogiNC wrote:
I’m not so sure the vastly inferior moniker fits. The Tribe is a pretty darned good team even if they are FCS.
I’m sorry dude but it fits very nicely. I’m going to wait before I start handing them the atta boys. Not saying they didn’t do some good things Thursday night, I’m just not ready make any proclamations about this team.Gowolves, You just now handed out a very nice “atta boy.” The Pack made the 10th rated team in the FCS look like a “vastly inferior” team.
W&M returned, I believe, 9 starters from a very good offense last year. Their defense wasn’t as experienced and therefore not as much could be said about our offense.
Still, dude, “vastly inferior” does not fit. I’m not about to make proclamations about the Pack but I’m not demeaning what they accomplished Thursday night by referring to W&M as “vastly inferior.
What’s baffling to me is why would any Pack fan want to.
(One notable exception was not being able to punch it in from 1 yard line. Apparently, we may need to consider McClendon in those situations.)
It wasn’t IMO that we weren’t able to, we farted around and blew it. I am curious to know what play was called from the sidelines. Finley ignored the coaches and called his own number in the huddle. When the game was still competitive, Samuels got the call and waltzed in untouched.
Not much interested in the quarterback sneak but I wonder if we have anybody who can go over the top. Moss impressed me on that short pass with his run after the catch. Interesting that he is the HB back up for JaySam.
Like others, I was disappointed in how easily w&m drove for a td on their first drive.
Include me in with those who were disappointed in W&M’s first drive. Then I began to play it back in my mind. On second view I’m not so sure now that it was “easily.” They made some 3rd down conversions with good passes to keep the drive alive so they didn’t run rough-shod over us. I still would have liked to have stopped them but they came in here ranked about 10th in the FCS and were an experienced and well coached team. And as you said, “However, the d equipped themselves well thereafter.” (“equipped themselves” Don’t you hate those damn spell checkers that can’t think?)
– Defense looked good outside of two drives. Drive #1 was seemingly scripted by the opponent and well practiced. That was still concerning. The drive right after the half seemed to be mentally letting down a bit. Some loose coverage in the passing game concerned me a bit, but maybe it was the scheme. For me that’s a bit tough to judge on TV because of how the camera only follows the ball.
We were concerned about giving up big plays coming in. How did we do? We allowed 1 run of about 30 yards. No passes over 20 yds. we were successful in not giving up big plays.
We were concerned about defenders being in correct position. Shawn Boone did a great job of managing that from his safety position. I don’t recall one incident where we were out of position. We accomplished what we set out to do.
We allowed 10 first downs, 62 yards rushing and 106 yards passing. Not a bad effort against a veteran offensive team with good skill players. I was there and what I say was some very tight coverage and some excellent completions against us. W&M completed 10 for 19 with 2 INTs.
W&M was suppose to be a good test for our defense. If it was, we passed that test.
I like that this group of coaches are developing something with a plan in place. We didn’t blitz once that I recall. I expect that will be put in in due time. If it’s not in the plan, don’t bother looking for it.
Was also at the game. Not quite a full stadium. Probably 95% or slightly less. North End Zone sections were vacant. Sparse in the upper deck on the East side.
The “fair weather” fans stayed home. 😉 The forecast, which didn’t deter me, was for thunder and lightening and possible game delays with all the crap that goes with that. For many it makes sense to stay home and watch it on TV. (I’m trying to be generous here.)
I think it’s too conservative and betrays a bit of fear or lack of confidence;
Another case of ‘why didn’t the coach do what I would have done’ instead of trying to reason out what the coach was thinking.
If DD had any emotion it likely was one of respect for an opponent. Why keep poring it on and embarrassing an opponent from a lesser division. That’s the kind of crap one might expect from Fraudora.
Obviously William did not show up or had been out running around on Mary all week.
I saw it the other way around. Mary didn’t make the trip and We handled William pretty good. 😉
The OL may be better…but smashmouth will never be our bag. Exhibit A, everyone!
I was at the game so I’m guessing you guys were talking about when we were stopped at the goal line.
We fans look at game situations in a very narrow view — usually what should the coach have done. These guys on the sideline will sometimes have another purpose in mind. Ledford is our run game coordinator and O-line coach. We have pretty much, as you guys noted, been having our way with them. He has something to work with coaching this coming week.
When we wanted to score before the lead got up there, we scored and it wasn’t with plays like we saw here.
Just sayin’
Hey, my wife and I have hall sex every day. I walk by my wife in the hall and we both say “screw you.”
Yogi,
Now rye is having sex ‘almost every day.’The 3 stages of my first marriage: Great sex, hall sex and no sex.
One value in having a strangle hold on our home state is walk-ons. The better the walk-on program the better the scout teams. The better the scout teams, the better competition for our Scholarship players. It’s a win/win situation.
BJD95 wrote:
We will NEVER “build a wall around” NC, even if that were enough.ppp then said:
Maybe we can convince SC to pay for it. If we cut out the NC recruiting losses to the southern universities, maybe we can compete.BJ and ppp, It’s not enough and I don’t believe Doeren thinks it’s enough. We’ve got our recruiter in Florida, McDonald, and that area is rich enough in talent to warrant it’s own recruiter. I can’t put names to the other areas but we seem to be doing very well in Georgia, SC, NC (maybe 2 coaches here), VA and the Northeast. Doeren has midwest connections.
We can’t say anything other than we are building a wall around NC. It is our home state and the “wall” concept IMO is as much for the HS coaches here and the fans as it is for anything else. What’s he gonna say, “We want the elite athletes who have the character and attitude to fit in here at NC State? Can’t do that.
Doeren has a vision and a grand plan to fulfill that vision. Inside the grand plan are interim goals that lead towards fulfilling his plan and vision. Interim goals have milestones with specific measures that enable the coaches to see progress and lack of progress.
We talk about recruiting — a lot. What we don’t talk about are the coaches. Ever wonder why or how we get a George McDonald or Dwayne Ledford or Drinkwitz or Kitchings and those that I know less about to come to NC State where the pay is not fair but not top scale? We don’t have a great football tradition to attract coaches. I can only think of one thing and that is Doeren’s vision and plan and culture he is continuing to build where TOB left off.
Maybe it’s because I want to believe that I see what I see. I suggest that it has far more to do with what I read about the coaches and what I hear the players say about NC State when they visit. What’s not to like about the education available here at NC State. What’s not to like about the Murphy Center or Carter-Finley or our IPF. They look across the parking lot and see the PNC. Our facilities are not the very best but adequate in the eyes of football recruits. And what we are doing with Reynolds is un precedented on college campuses.
What’s missing is sufficient football success for elite players to see that they might be the one to push us to the top. The success is only a matter of time — predictably 2017 and maybe 2016. We stumbled in 2015 when Shad then Dayes went out and some of our LB’s and DB’s didn’t get it done. Dayes is back and has excellent back-ups. From what I read and hear the defense has worked hard to put in the correction.
Well, I’ve worked myself up into a lather. Gotta go take a shower and meet the old geezers I hang out with. There’s girls to ogle at the Mall. The one nice thing about getting old is the wide range of ogliable girls makes the Mall a target rich environment. Even at my age I have sex almost every day. Almost on Monday, almost on Tuesday, almost every day. 😉
Go Pack!!
Nice grey – either you have the memory of an elephant or you keep an nc state media guide close by.
Gotta love the start of college football.
I wish. Googled Earle Edwards for the records and Roman for the year he went pro. Also the years he was AA and All-Conference. Didn’t care enough about 1959 to bother for more info.
Hell yeah. Football tomorrow. 🙂
I always saw that much like giving a high performance sports car to a greasy Italian with bad eye sight.
If she lost the keys to her car, I’d be glad to drive her home.
How did we do when Roman Gabriel was qb?
1960 4-1-1
1961 3-4
Don’t know if Gab was QB in 1959 but we were 0-6 that year. I believe he turned pro in 1962.I clicked on that link about the D Line earlier and enjoyed the piece. The hard work will pay off. Looking forward to it!
Here’s one about the O-line.
http://www.gopack.com/news/2016/8/26/football-band-of-brothers-part-3-life-on-the-nc-state-ol.aspx?path=football
You can pick up a couple more at http://www.gopack.com Go to football page and click on archived stories. You’ll see the Band of Brothers series.I enjoyed our conversation and see your point. The odds are not in our or anyone’s favor but if you will read through Yogi’s stuff, you will see why we think we can beat the odds.
Go Pack!!
you are who your record says you are.
I was with you until you mentioned that has-been, Steve Logan. 😉
The numbers seem to establish a pretty consistent trend. I hope they have no real effect on this year’s team, but looking at them puts things in perspective. The numbers also support the notion that many have put forward here that given the talent we are able to put on the field, we have no business running a traditional or pro-style offense. We need gimmicks to equalize the talent gap, and as hinted here Drinkwitz possibly brings that to the table. May he and State’s offense prosper.
I hope I can keep my end of the conversation as upbeat and level as you have.
If we were talking about a company (team) with the same management (coaches) and workers (players) I would whole heartedly agree with you conclusions. But we aren’t. What another Coach and players have done does not mean that this coach and these players will do the same thing. What was Alabama’s mean record for the period after Bear Bryant and before Nick Saban? How about Clemson after Danny Ford and before Dabo Sweeney? With 128 teams in the FBS division the odds are that the records are going to be mediocre.
The notion that many have put forward here is base on what? Last years record? More looking in the rear view mirror to see where we are going. In 2014 EweNC didn’t have a winning record and we beat their ass 35-7. In 2015 they were what, 11-2. All out of proportion to their 2014 record. What was the difference? All I can see is they changed DCs. The is a 5 win turnaround. We have changed our OC and O-line coach. Why not a 1 or 2 game uptick for us?
Until this season plays out the difference between the two of us is, you say you are depressed by the past and I am excited about the future. That’s some serious food for thought. I might be disappointed at the end of the season but I’m a big boy. I can take a little or even a lot of disappointment.
If you see something in here that I’m missing, post it. I don’t bite and I love to talk Wolfpack football. 😉
PS
Wanna see something really interesting? Click on the link for the article about the D-line.
