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Notre Dame game I a very interesting match up. They stink at passing and rush for over 300 yards a game.
Those 2 passes for TD’s were both well thrown balls and one was a great catch. What I saw wasn’t “stink at passing.”
Personally I like DD’s philosophy of balance between running and passing. If I had to choose between a great rushing game and a great passing game, you would see me grinding it out. Nothing more discouraging than being dominated in the trenches. Without a good defense to go with it either is suspect over the long haul.
Good rushing game, good passing game, good defense… Sounds like NC State.
Big stages and road games haven’t been friendly to this program in many a season.
I like this reminder that big stages and road games have been friendly at least a few times.
The last time this program played on a really big stage was in 2003 in Columbus, a game we’d all like to forget, much like the homecoming game later that same season.
Things I remember about that trip to Columbus are we can play on a national stage with the big boys in their house. I also remember the reported fact that the OSU fans at the exit end of their field gave our players a standing “O” as they left for the locker room after it was over. Not that losing was okay but that respect can be earned even in a loss.
Opportunities like that don’t come along often, especially for Wolfpack football, but two of them are going to come knocking the next two Saturdays.
Thanks for the reminder OT13 that Saturday is an opportunity. lust playing at ND is an opportunity we don’t get often. Believe it or not the Wolfpack is relevant. keeping it positive, when we defeat ND Saturday their play-off hopes take a huge hit and our relevancy will get a boost.
Not bad for a team that just 5 short years ago was 0-8 in our conference.
Troll,
Game Day does help, how much I don’t know, our national name recognition. Lord knows we need it. One of the jerks calling the ND game mixed us up with the holes. Nice job with your broadcast preparation, A-hole. ;-(I think we over estimate the impact Game Day has on recruiting if it has any direct impact at all. We’ve had Game Day before and I don’t recall it impacting recruiting even slightly. Have we had a de-commit because Game Day helped someone else’s recruiting?
We are working on class of 2019 recruiting. Game Day 2017 will have long since been forgotten When decision time comes for members of the recruiting class of 2019.
He is a coach with a short track record, State took a chance on him. He has a very nice record SO FAR THIS SEASON
I never knew COY meant coach of the year, thanks for clearing that up.
I could tell it was the “Year” part you weren’t clear on. It has nothing to do with his track record or whether or not a school took a chance on him. It has every thing do with what kind of job he is doing this year.
Nobody is “spinning off the road” but a very healthy skepticism is always a good policy in most things especially issues involving State.
I haven’t read anywhere that people dislike or hate Dapper Dave. He is a coach with a short track record, State took a chance on him. He has a very nice record SO FAR THIS SEASON and you’d think from your comments that the universe has changed in some manner. I would expect most State folks are pleased but would rather sit patiently and wait for ALL THE RESULTS to come in before they start sacrificing virgins at the base of the bell tower.
I hope you are right Greywolf. I hope we beat Bama in the title game, Dapper Dave is the next caudillo, Chubb wins the Heisman and Benny Hill classsics are my birthday gift but at some point realism trumps hope. I hope all your predictions come true but I’ll stick with the old saying about broken clocks being right twice a day.
McCallum
COY stands for Coach Of the Year. In this case that would be THIS YEAR. What the heck does skepticism have to do with being nominated for COY? Don’t answer. I’ll tell you. Absolutely nothing.
You see what you want to see, Mac. Nobody (that would be me) suggested DD would win. He was NOMINATED, that all. If you can’t see that DD is disliked by many people on this board, you are blind or have you eyes closed.
For anybody else who might be reading this and don’t know what COY stands for, first let me tell you what it does not stand for Coach of the Decade or coach for the last 5 years or coach with an exceptional record over time. Coaches are nominated by impartial panels who examine how a coach is doing in the first half of a year, not the whole year. They decide who in their opinion deserves to be declared Coach of the Year.
POP!
Exactly Bill, IF
Yeah Bill, IF we win out.
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IF…
We win out… then DD absolutely deserves all the ‘love’ he can stand…
You guys are something else. No love for being 6-1 overall and 4-0 in the conference. Win out then DD absolutely deserves all the ‘love’ he can stand.
I contend with the talent we have on the field right now, I could coach them and they’d look good on the field.
Probably right, Rye. Why don’t we just turn them over to a GA and hire a Special Teams Coach? Or use George McDonald our WR coach to coach special teams and turn the WR group over to a GA. Heck, the OL is doing so well we don’t need Ledford either.
You could coach the D-line and I could coach the O-line. I can be had for a lot less than Ledford is being paid.
I say all the above with tongue in cheek but I don’t think either of us is aware of what goes into coaching. Adjustments made at half-time are not made by the players. There is more to it than just sending them out on the field hoping they look good.
1Pack1Goal
I think this applies to the coaches as well as the players. Ledford and Patrick are working to create “Trench U.” Other coaching groups are working together to create the best units possible.
We are also closing with 2 teams we’ve historically not played well against (UNC and BC)
We are 7 wins out of our last 10 games vs UNC. If that is historically not played well, I’ll take it.
My concerns with BC are unrelated to the past but are related to the present BC team.
Bits and pieces
it seemed like was that if any positive comments or optimism were offered on this site then it was met with criticism.
In Talkin’ New York Bob Dylan says it, “Some people ain’t got much food on the table but they got a lot of forks and knives and they gotta cut something.”
Rye, it’s Doeren’s influence on the D.
Not a knock on Hux but he’s in the twilight of his career and likely was happy to carry out Doeren’s wishes with regard to the D. On a personal level Hux is a good man and somebody the other coaches would feel comfortable going to.
With the addition of Barlow (Assistant Head Coach for Defense/Cornerbacks) and Kevin Patrick there is some good experience in the D coaching group and just speculating I’d bet that Doeren’s concepts are in place but the coaches are owning the defense and have a freedom that most assistant coaches don’t have.
Drink’s free will within Doeron’s….conceptual frame.
Mr. DOG, I’m going to give you credit for the above statement the first few times I use it then it’s mine. 😉
“Drink’s free will within Doeron’s….conceptual frame.” That is dangerous.
Ledford was a fantastic hire and I thought so at the time. Hire like and we’ll be in very good shape.
I’ve got a good feeling about our new DL coach, Patrick. He and Ledford, 2 old NFL pros, seem to work together well. Ex: our D1’s going against our O1’s in practice. If our O-line can block our D-line, they can block anybody. Doeren likes it. Says it makes both lines better.
The rest have been promotions.
Nope, you missed this one. Ledford came from App.To replace Coach Uremovich, who moved up in his profession to OC at Northern Illinois. Promotion was a poor choice of words because they left the NC State program for the “promotion.”
My point, poorly made, was that coaches sought out positions with Doeren when they opened up.
Tractor57,
I don’t know if it’s okay for me to speak favorably about Doeren here on SFN — I’ve been ridiculed for doing so in the past. I’m like Charlie Brown trying to kick the football that Lucy is holding. I guess I’ll never learn. 😉I also think Coach D has grown into the position and has made some moves with staff that have been good.
If you are talking about strength & conditioning and the Recruiting staff, definitely some very good moves. I especially like the Director of Creative Media, Trevor McEntire. Have you seen his creation, “Mount Rush-no-More” with the faces of the senior defensive linemen in place of the presidents?
The only coaching staff moves he’s made are a WR coach and when
DD decided Canada was not the man.
The rest have been promotions.
From Dave Doeren’s coaching bio:
“Doeren’s one goal for the Wolfpack? To become a championship team. He makes no bones about his desire for his team to compete for a championship on a conference and national level. He believed then, and is even more sure now, that the only way to play at a championship level is to work hard together to get there. He knows that it isn’t an overnight process and is committed to doing it the right way.”What I see as significant is the replacements seeing DD’s vision and the culture he is creating here and wanting to come here to coach — to be a part of this culture. Des Kitchings left for a day or 2 and came back, CB coach George Barlowe decline to follow Franklin to Penn State, George McDonald coming to coach WRs, Eliah Drinkwitz coming to be the OC, Dwayne Ledford to coach OL, Dan Patrick to coach DL, Aaron Henry jumping at the chance to replace departing safeties coach Clayton White.
Our nation aligned with President Kennedy’s commitment to have a man on the moon “in this decade” before we had the technology to put him there. Our coaching staff aligned with Doeren’s commitment to compete for a national championship before we had the players to get it done. Our players, too. Chubb is quoted as saying he came back for his senior year because “we’re not done.” I thought at first it was some goal of the D-line until I realized he was talking about 1Pack1Goal.
Chubb also said that this is the most confident team in the country. We may not believe but the Pack does. If the players believe, why not me?
We haven’t come close to playing our best game. If that game is next week at ND, the Wolfpack is going to be hard to deal with.
Qb U has it covered.
Thanks, I needed a good laugh. Jay Davis, Marcus Stone, Harrison Beck, Pete Thomas and too many others I can’t recall.
When you think back to year one and two it was bleak, we barely had 1s much less backups.
Year 2? Not so bleak. 8-5. Jacoby, Shad, and others. We didn’t notice because we were so busy pointing out year 1’s record and mistakes. Same as now… So busy noticing what D hasn’t done, we miss what he has done. Hard to miss it now.
And that idiot, Cole Cubelic, who said the Pack was a long shot for the natty, doesn’t seem like such an idiot now, does he? Cole wasn’t looking in the rear view mirror to see where we were going. 😉
He’s in over his head.
Maybe this is too much or maybe coach D is growing into the job as the team grows.
More likely as D grows into the job, the team grows.
Who? The Hat? My point being people thought the Hat was the second coming
Fedora? All hat, no cattle.
One thing about it, there ought to be at least one top notch QB out there that wants to be the next Ryan Finley.
We have a 4-star commit, Devin Leary, who may have ambition beyond being the next Ryan Finley.
“Leary, who committed to NC State in April, had a successful Elite 11 Finals earlier this month. During his Pro Day workout, he scored a 44, which was the best out of any quarterback that day.”
Look at the top receiver groups coming into the season. The Pack faces four of them. Clemson, ND, South Caolina, and Louisville.
We face 4 of the top 10.
The Pack is ranked #25 in that group. That far down it’s kinda murky trying to say which team is better or worse than another.Take a look at the passing numbers for the 4 conference games played. 1 TD per game, 1 INT per game modest completion % except for Cuse (Dungey). Our defense is keeping the ball in front of it which is what the coaches are asking them to do and preventing TDs. Teams are having a problem running on us so of course they are going to pass the ball and being good quarterbacks with good receivers on good teams they are going to complete some of them including some long ones.
You would think they were scoring at will. Not so.
FSU 1 TD 4 yds Tot 22/39 (56%) (1 INT) 278 yds
Cuse 1 TD 10 yds Tot 30/47 (64%) (1 INT) 385 yds
L’ville 1 TD 23 yds Tot 26/48 (54%) (1 INT) 354 yds
Pitt 1 TD 33 yds Tot 24/45 (53%) (1 INT) 231 ydsPersonally I want to see both of them get beat up really bad in the next two weeks.
Especially the 2nd week. 😉
Grey… you don’t mean those teams coached by Earl Edwards, do you ???
Bill, You don’t mean Earle Edwards, do you?
Unbelievable! There are only 11 teams currently given better odds (33/1) of winning the 2017 natty than NC State.
What excites me is how we LOOK like a championship team while we are winning — winning when we don’t play well but doing some things extraordinarily well in the process. We beat FSU at their place, slammed the door on L’ville with a killer INT, and demoralized Pitt pulling away in the second half. We have taken Syracuse’s best shot.
I don’t know how we are going to finish the season, however, for the first time in a long time, I’m not worried about our ability to compete in every game. I’m not hoping and certainly not expecting to win out but don’t worry about NC State bringing it’s A-game. If anybody needs to bring its A-game, it’s our opponents.
And I don’t want to hear about “State sh!t” or what happened in 2002 or 03. We can stop you and we can score. This is not your father’s Wolfpack!
But I repeat myself…
Note: kickers are responsible for our kicking woes.
Got it.No, You don’t ‘got it’.
Not responsibility of head coach to fix or the coaches he hired.
It the coaches responsibility to fix the flooding during a hurricane.
There are times when I don’t agree with McC but in this case I do. Maybe not “hands on” but it is up to coach D to steer the ship so yes it is his responsibility.
Or course it’s his responsibility. Never said it wasn’t. His responsibility is more than to steer the ship, he’s responsible for the entire ship and its operation.
This is a discussion board or I thought it was. If the discussion is “who is responsible for the team,” the answer is the head coach. End of conversation.
I’ve enjoyed the past discussions. You guys have fun.
The snaps are sometimes off target as well as in the turf. Pulling the snap to the placement spot can affect timing. Kicking is often a mental thing at this level. Concern for the snap in the back of the kicker’s mind really could be an issue.
Pack44fan might be on to something with this angle of the hold thing. Worth the ST coaches looking at. It’s obvious Cole didn’t hold in HS if he was doing the place kicking.
I’ve noticed something sitting in C-F that I don’t see watching away games. Bambard has no problem hitting them out of the end zone kicking with the wind. Kicking into the wind he does.
As for the pooch kick strategy, I’ll leave the decision when to use that up to the coaches. They are paying good money for analytics. I know better than the analytics guys but not my call. Bambard does have some problems kicking pooches where they are designed to go.
Note to those who are concerned about kicker: Check to see if the root of the problem is with the SNAPPER. Fix that and the problem with the KICKER might just disappear.
The Special Teams coaches are persevering with the kicking issue. New parts have been ordered. Will arrive in time for 2018 season. 😉
