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13OT, I believe you mistyped, State has beaten Wake at Wake 8 times in the past 34 years (2001, 1995, 1993, 1991, 1989, 1985, 1983, 1981). At 14 years, its definitely been a drought, just not as bad as you lead us to believe.
“It’s no longer a game of coaching and skill but rather a game of sheer talent.”
First of all, skill and talent are synonyms so I am not sure why you would rather the game be about one than the other, but to each their own. And secondly, if you would look beyond the seed you would see that each of the final four teams has a hall of fame coach, so yeah I would say that coaching still pays a large roll in men’s basketball.
And to your comment about the women’s final four being all #1 seeds, that is simply because the talent pool is not that deep. Mid-majors consistently produce NBA talent in the men’s league because the talent pool is so deep and that just doesn’t happen in womens college basketball.
I know we can all remember the 103-100 NC State – Maryland ACC Tourney game as an example of the non shot clock era but don’t forget about the 14-12 games during that time as well.
I know the post above was only looking at the teams that finished above us but expect FSU to take a step forward as well. XRM coming back along with most of the team and bringing in two top ten guards this recruiting class along with another 7’0″. Could be the makings of a team poised to challenge the ACC elite next year.
Cat averages a 1.8 AST/TO ratio, has had only three games with more turnovers than assist (Clemson, WVU, Jacksonville) and four where he finished with a 1.0 AST/TO ratio.
Also how many times did one of Cat’s passes hit a big in the hands only for them to mishandle it and cause a turnover (I want to say this happened with Anya at twice).
I apologize for the multiple grammar and spelling errors in my post, typing on a tablet leaves a lot to be desired.
I don’t believe nor do I say that every poster has access to the Twitter account, I say that as a Twitter account with the username of the url of this site that it generally speaks of its posters to a laymans perspective (to those that do not frequent the statefansnation.com site). But I do believe that it sets a bad example for a Twitter name of “statefansnation” to tweet 80% about the refs and 20% about the teams in a fairly evenly called game. I’m sorry if I have offended anyone but I don’t believe the Twitter account associated with this site speaks for rational and the majority of statefans. I do beileve that this is medium in which I am more likely to be heard which is why I posted here but if I am to believe that my opinion is no longer welcome the. I will happily address my future responses to the Twitter account in question.
What I wanted to say was more than 140 characters and you realize that for most people that account is indicative of the typical reaction of a blogger on this site, so in a way it reflects on everyone that posts.
8 of 12 statefansnation tweets during the game were about the refs in a game where we committed one more foul… This kind of reaction makes the real reaction to terrible refs get brushed under the rug because it’s “what we do”.
The statefansnation account has tweeted 9 times this game 6 of which are criticizing the refs in a game with equal team fouls. Come on guys give credit where credit is due, or blame in our coaching staff if it is due but not every foul is a conspiracy against us.
He’s a soft to fsu and saban just made a home visit yet you report that you believe he’s is between nc state and duke? Either I do not follow your logic at all or I believe you seriously overestimate our prestige in the mechanical engineering department.
Don’t know why anyone would submit themselves to watching three hours of wvu “basketball” but thanks for the update. In other topics, Purdue is beginning to look like a bad loss.
I am embarrassed at the reaction of outspoken nc state fans on Twitter. He’s an 17-18 year old kid planning the rest of his life, let him make his decision and live with it, no need to attempt to diminish his intelligence or decision making. None of us know what kind of pitches were given by each school. Maybe we got out pitched, not unheard of in the business.
Wish mike the best but still love our class and let’s continue to add to it.Can not underestimate Anya’s presence on defense but his offense needs some serious work. Footwork, court awareness, and post skills seem to be seriously lacking. In my opinion I don’t believe he deserves the starting spot over black hole washington but it’s not my call to make. Love Abu’s quickness and instinct (not to mention range) would love to see him get more minutes. Proud of the team playing without Lacey, bright future ahead.
You make some valid points but in the past 5-6 years only two sec teams have finished in the top 25 more than once, Florida and Kentucky. One has a early ballot hall of fame coach and the other has big blue nation and one of the most rich traditions in college basketball. I believe perennial top 25 is where most of us would like to see our program go but sadly neither our coach nor our tradition matches up in either of those categories (I believe both are significant just not at the level that it seems to be a perennial top 25 team in the sec). Also arguably our top two players this season transferred away from sec programs to play in the acc despite being consistent starters and in one case the leading scorer. It’s hard to imagine us being able to lure top tier high school athletes in the area to play in the sec when the acc is being regarded as the conference to rule all conferences. I can’t say for sure but I doubt we have a shot at Brandon Ingram if we’re in the acc.
As for your last point, I do not believe you speak for everyone. And I find it hard to believe that people were not excited about the CWS a couple years ago or when the college baseball attendance record was broken during the acc tournament in Durham.
I personally don’t understand the desire for us to move to the sec. It may benefit the football program but this would be at the expense of pretty much every other sport and in some cases academics. I believe a large part of our success in basketball recruiting is due to selling the acc. Sure it would be nice to finish top three in the sec each year which we might have with the teams on campus the past couple of years but I don’t see us recruiting those caliber teams in the sec. How do you sell a North Carolina kid to play against auburn, miss st, Georgia, usc team for four years when duke, wake, and unc can offer the ACC?
As far as non revenue sports go, it would be a lateral (maybe step up, maybe) step in baseball and a monumental step back in virtually all other sports. There is not even men’s soccer at majority (?) sec schools. And the triangle area has top 10 nationally ranked club soccer at the youth level. The sec is also considered a much less prestigious academic conference across the board.
If I am missing some part of the appeal, please let me know (honestly let me know, this argument interests me), otherwise I’ll keep the acc as is.
Correct pakfanistan my first eighteen years coincided with eighteen years of unprecedented cheating by our biggest rivals, a tough childhood college athletics wise.
I understand that this was posted to address the fact that this win wasn’t the cupcake many of us, or just me apparently, thought it would be when we saw the OOC come out a while back. But when you start comparing teams and claiming them to be contenders in the power 5 conferences then the term quality win comes into play (I don’t believe it was by you grey but the tone of the thread seemed to be headed that way). And yogi I apologize if offended you but the simple fact of you being older than me does not mean I am not just as big of a fan as you. I continue to and will continue to support state unconditionally but it would be nice to be rewarded with one conference championship in my lifetime.
At no point have I been derisive of state. I am merely stating that while I am proud of our team for winning, I do not believe a home win against Ga Southern constitutes a “quality win” in my book. How have I not earned my stripes? Been a state fan since birth, never wavered in my commitment, held strong through the Les days, attended and graduated as a student athlete. Is there some sort of initiation I should know about? I haven’t seen national championships or ACC championships for that matter (in bball in football). My fanhood has been tested more than yours.
There is a difference in belittling every win we have and being the counter argument to someone who wants to throw a parade for beating Ga Southern.
The fact is that those achievements, while impressive, came in a different division of college football. The past 10 years they are 1-10 against FBS teams not in the SunBelt. And I highly doubt that with 6 wins over ACC teams, including a ranked Clemson team, any Of the Georgia Tech bunch would call that their quality win.
I’m late to the argument but I equate the Ga Southern game in football this year to the NCCU bball game last year. If we lose its an embarrassing lost not because of the skill of the opponent but because of their name and lack of top tier athletic success (sorry yogi but I don’t think any Michigan fans gave a crap about how many national titles App St had in 2007, and feel free to crucify me for comparing us to Michigan). A win in this situation is simply a plus in that we were able to avoid a crippling (morale-wise) loss and take a step both in progressing as a team and towards bowl eligibility. It was great to win but i wouldn’t necessaryily call it a “good win”.
