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Nobody wants to graduate more than me. It’s about a 6-7 year process going at it PT. I work a FT job too. BTW, it’s not a UNC program!
Disappointed that State doesn’t have a Lacrosse team. That would have made life to easy. Congratulations again…absolutely fabulous!
OK, I’ll give my good stuff regarding motivating girls. I can’t resist (Bill’s advice supersedes mine with his proven success!). Make losing less fun and make winning more fun.
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MAKE LOSING HURT EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY
. Run them for losing. Run them for missed layups and free throws IN PRACTICE. Run them for poor shooting percentages. Run them for bad defense. RUN THEM UNTIL THEY CRY AND THEN ADD A LAP.
Run them more than the track team. Girls will be very grumpy and cop attitudes but they also like the added benefits of running (lose weight, bonding by talking about their pain and coach, etc). Run them until someone throws up (maybe not for a 10 year old but you get my point). Then run them another lap.
After they are dead and are lying on the gym floor without even having touched a basketball. Coach, tell them playing basketball is a privilege and that any athlete can run. Ya’ll are special by playing basketball only 5 of them can play at one time- all working together like a machine. That you care about them and don’t want them to be satisfied with status quo. Talk about desire and the will to win. Losing should hurt. Never allow losing to be ok. (Get some dialog- buyin. Address only the leaders, who will respond appropriately and they may not be your best players. Other players will make fun of them or belittle them so make sure they can handle themselves. Later in the season, they will be respected…go back to them for leadership q’s… Ask them if they like losing? -girls like to talk stuff out more but control the conversation…(if you get a loudmouth…everybody runs again immediately…. you want operant response and behavior) What will it take to win?- after you get a couple of comments….move on and restart the lecture) Talk about how all the pain on the outside strengthens their mind and nobody can take that away but them if they choose to give that away. Tell them that this will make them better on the court and off the court. You may not know it now but you will see. Believe. Believe in yourself. Believe in your teammates. Believe in winning. They are winners. Believe.
Then do layup drill and those who miss layups have to run a lap. Then run through plays (more “complex” drill and makes practice meaningful. Then shoot free throws (they expect this drill) and run those who miss- probably all of them because their legs will be jello. (Then Run them again when they are sore the next day. Repeat speech but add importance of conditioning and hot guys will like them. Ask leaders how they fill and about commitment to the team and themselves. Personal pride. What does it mean to them? )
Winning will become more valued and fun. There’s also a mindset switch being the fittest team on the court. Run. Run. Run. The other team may win but they will have to work hard.
(May want to disregard hot guys remark for 10 year olds….replace with this is what collegiate athletes and hs athletes do….really good response getting a hs player describing their watershed moments of losing/winning.)
Once they learn to be very sad about losing (the game and the thereafter), they will listen to you more attentively. There will be period of hate. But at the end of the season, you will get a lot of hugs. Just getting 10 year olds to want not to lose and to get them to pay attention to you and the game is a huge deal for a 10 year old.
Run should equal hard work and pain. They should be dying to have the opportunity to do basketball drills. Pain, pain, pain. But has to be consistent. If they win, make a big deal and reward appropriately too. Show/talk about highlights of the game. Give out “awards” at the end of practice. Practice is leverage.
Rick, if I see you in the paper for abuse, I don’t know you but will be a little proud of your efforts. Another suggestion: summer basketball camp.
Bill,
Congratulations, you and momma bear have done outstanding. She has obviously inherited ya’lls work ethic, communication and athletic skills, and smarts. Ya’ll obviously have a bunch of influence over her too since she has done THAT well!! I am glad my suggestions of spunky defiance mixed with political sabotage and slight aloofness worked!! Unfortunately, can’t take any credit….you and momma bear are the heroes.
How exciting for your college prospects. It would be good if she could squeeze in some college visits. Collegiate athletes have it made whether it’s a large university or a smaller college. The moment you walk onto the campus- you will have an instant support system- your coaches and teammates (who will be like having a bunch of older sisters – older sisters who know how to get through her coursework, attend the parties with the cute guys, have fun, work hard, and provide emotional support which she will need a lot of especially the first semester). She won’t be a number. Professors will know her and ask her about the team and schedule. They will be proponents – not ambivalent. Her coach will take care of the registration, food, and living quarter issues.
She will have extra student services like tutoring too. She will also get special treatment with her classmates. She will be an instant “leader.” Yeah, she could probably get support from a sorority but she won’t have the hazing nor will she have to pay to have shared experiences with friends. She will pay with the shared experience of sweat equity. She will not get this opportunity again. She can always go back or extend her college years by getting her masters degree.
When she’s a collegiate athlete, she’ll be a part of an athlete community. She’ll meet people from other sports and have an instant bond with them. She will be invited to the best parties.
I would be lying if I didn’t recognize that yes, it is A LOT OF WORK. She will be WATCHED (parents like this). Most of her days will be planned out for her. Guess what- when she enters the working world….she’ll be ready with her work ethic and leadership skills. She’ll have the confidence to take charge. Sports roles are very similar to the work environment roles. She’ll know what to look for and what to stay away from. Talk about transferable skills.
I would encourage her to try collegiate sports. If she doesn’t like it, she can transfer (the first two years of college credits are highly transferable)or just not play. It is important that she gets to meet some of her future teammates. They will become her family.
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Whatever (unless it’s a very dumb) decision she makes, it’ll be the right one because it’ll be her decision. However, you are going to be writing a lot of checks. You can’t let her make bad decisions.
Reality check: what you need to do is sabotage the college visits so that your school will come out on top. Also have your school of choice’s fight song as her morning alarm. You don’t let her eat unless she recites the school’s motto and then you buy her a “lucky” t-shirt to wear every Saturday. You then announce that you will be the one to decide and until she gets a job to pay for her own apartment that will be the way it is. Or you take away her transportation or favorite toy until she sees things your way. Or you can take her for a Sunday drive every weekend to your #1 choice until she gives in. It’s really all about attrition.
Well done Bill and I think you should be the one giving Rick advice. You’ve done an amazing job!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~It’ll be forever before I graduate. OK, maybe 2-3 years. On my last class and then it’ll be dissertation time. Been at it since 2012. I’ll be glad to have a life again but I will miss the learning and sharing with classmates and advisor.
I went to 2 games this year and our winning percentage was .500 (Wake and GT). I had a delightful lemonade and pretzel at each game. That is a great season.
Probation is the one of the worst consequences that could happen to the university- a large public, politically-embraced university. They can’t exactly shut down the institution but they have put them on notice. It’s also a wonderful way for faculty members to become more vocal. Their lifelong work has been harmed. I’m taken back to perceived wrongs of NC State in the 80’s too.
I would hope even with the administration suppression, discontentment rains. Their reputation and brand has taken a HUGE hit. This is a real big deal in the academic community and a point of pride. That should force changes from the inside. Folt is a puppet given the way that she handled Willingham and must have hurt her credibility among the faculty. SACS investigation in 2012 but she was likely part of that process (she had to have been aware) and was definitely part of the 2014 re-investigation.
What’s interesting is that SACS recognizes forthrightly that UNX was less than honest with them and announced that to the world. SACS is NOT the NCAA. They are a much more serious organization and you don’t play games with accreditation- the university lifeline. An entire department (at UNX its likely plural) and a gazillion committees are dedicated just to SACS activities.
I did some extra reading on it trying to find out when the accreditation was last granted and ran across this article. A professor at a small college wrote this academic trade publication’s Op-Ed. Check out the comment section…interesting perspectives. http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2014/10/24/unc-chapel-hill-should-lose-accreditation/
“I have little interest in whatever penalties the NCAA chooses to impose upon Chapel Hill’s athletics programs or that the university chooses to impose upon itself. As I said, this is not fundamentally an issue about sports but about the basic academic integrity of an institution. Any accrediting agency that would overlook a violation of this magnitude would both delegitimize itself and appear hopelessly hypocritical if it attempted, now or in the future, to threaten or sanction institutions—generally those with much less wealth and influence—for violations much smaller in scale.
Most of us work very hard to conform to the standards imposed by our regional accrediting agencies and the federal government. If falsified grades and transcripts for more than 3,000 students over more than a decade are viewed as anything other than an egregious violation of those standards, my response to the whole accreditation process is simple: Why bother?”
Let me try to tone my last tone down post.
No doubt sports can be an outlet for kids who make bad choices or who are put in less than desirable circumstances. High school is much different than a Division 1 college program, where you have so much public exposure.
The question becomes how much risk is the coach willing to accept. You figure that kids are not always going to make the right choice so you are willing to take some “knocks” to your program. You assign “handlers” to watch over star “troubled” players. Those “handlers” are often walk-ons. You don’t bring on walk-ons who consistently make bad decisions or if they make a really bad decision- they pay dearly and understand the consequences.
I think this is what happened to UNC-CHeat to an extent. The problem is when it becomes ingrained in your program and the kids start to believe that they are above all rules (parking, PD issues, classes, agents in the gym and classroom, etc).
If you let your “knocks” come with players which are designed to play a supportive role to your organization, it hurts the program when your starters make bad choices (and they will from time to time). So now you have what is supposed to be your team’s role model being defended by the program when the kid made a bad choice. Not good. It also could be reinforcing to the starters that they can also “get away” with making bad choices. Coach knows investigated the incident and Staats, I’m sure, suffered. But again, he’s lucky on all fronts.
What would have happened if he was at Duke? He is no JJ Redick or Greg Paulus. Again, kids make bad choices but starters have more flexibility. Coach is more willing to absorb risk if the kid will perform at a high level and not make more bad choices.
I believe that this is what originally got Coach V some unwanted attention which blossomed to a mess. I don’t think that any of the kids he recruited were bad kids. Just some good kids who made some bad choices and got in trouble with the law. That gave unfriendly university reps the opportunity to pounce on that and other program areas. I still have affinity towards many of those those players.
If our starters had not been well-behaved, Staats’ behavior could have been seen as part of a bigger problem. Coach took a chance (and stuck his own neck out) and Staats has come through for him and our university. The easiest and cleanest way of handling this situation would have been dismissing Staats from the team.
Our football coach was harsher than our basketball coach with discipline issues because he has too much risk with so many players. Coach D realizes the culture issues at stake and at this stage is not going to accept any bad behavior (even bb gun horseplay which didn’t involve society endangerment and the law- I know….I am a woman and probably am a bit harsher with this type of crime).
Basketball teams because of size can afford to be a little more forgiving. If he starts, I will be happy for the kid. If he doesn’t start, I will still be happy for the kid. It’s not fair putting anymore pressure on the Coach, although I am sure this is a drop in the bucket for him.
It is amazing the impact of one bad choice. I bet he has wished a million times that he could live that night again.
I am done with writing here for a while (life is getting ready to take hold again) and have enjoyed the interaction….see ya’ll later.
Again, good topic.
Bill,
You are kind. I know I was rough on the little guy and I was going to tone it down. And yes, there are usually two sets of rules. If the stars break a few rules, they are generally forgiven. For a walk-on to have that level of breach is unusual. Coach did the right thing though for team chemistry. And Staats hasn’t made any more critical mistakes. Our lucky kid learned and coach’s faith has been rewarded.
Basketball teams should never be halfway houses (state’s program is not). We have seen what a couple of wandering apples can do to a team.
Ummm, yeah 4 mins can change the outcome of the game. Too long. I was thinking 1 min or maybe 4 times up and down the court. If the game is tight ok but if they pull ahead, we need to sub.
Congrats to Staat for graduating and being a beloved team member and contributor to the success of the team.
Good forum post, BSIM.
The kid is lucky to be on the team. With the DUI….
He is owed nothing. He caught a HUGE break from the coaching staff for allowing him to remain a team member. He should be grateful to be able to suit up. We’ll see how generous Coach Gott is. I suspect he’ll get a nod in the beginning but it is not a big deal to me either way. I am more concerned about winning the game and the flow of the game than succumbing to this sort of social pressure.
Before game and/or halftime recognition should be enough. Walk-ons should be inspiring and the hardest workers on the team. Walk-ons are role models for other players. First in and last out – everywhere and all the time. I am not sure he achieved that status but he seems to be affable and well-liked. Maybe this is another culture issue (didn’t he come in with CJ, Brown, and Lewis), which I link to the Lowe years. He became Gott’s when Gott allowed him back on the team. How many other guys would have jumped at the opportunity to be part of the team? I think Coach has a real big soft spot for him. Rightly or wrongly, I view his being on the team as a political maneuver for a local kid.
He’s very, very lucky to be alive and to be forgiven. He has a bright future ahead of him and I truly wish him well.
Of course going on Wufpacker’s line of thought, he could play drunk if our stars don’t play well.
I know I am rough – maybe too much so. This grumpy soul is going to bed but would like to read good things (stories) about Staats’ impact on the team later. Let’s give him some props.
I’m surprised and disappointed it is not formalized. I remember attending Duke’s basketball camp in the 80’s and the women’s asst coach used to coach their lacrosse team too. She eventually left basketball to focus on lacrosse. You’d think State would have have been more aggressive.
Regardless, she must be having a blast and I hope she can continue that success at State. That would be awesome. Enjoy the time…..it goes by fast. She’s lucky to have you.
Wufpacker- 🙂
Bill, I remember now and that is outstanding. WELL DONE! Thank you for that happy follow-up. Takes guts and character to navigate that situation plus a lot of patience. You’ve got to be and should be proud. Leadership is not always easy.
I hope her dream comes true- that would be incredible. Have ya’ll been in touch with the coach? Gone to State’s camp or where the coach would be? May not be a bad idea to get a NCSU scout (asst coach or coach) at one of her games. Another idea is to get a compilation video of her play and send it to the coach (can wait until next year but early may not be bad either). Exposure is important. If she’s a good student, that would be gravy. Just some thoughts.
Back in the dinosaur days, I was surprised about how accessible and nice the coaches were. If you have a good and supportive coach, he/she should have some contacts and suggestions. My perception is that recruitment for girl sports is different than guy sports. Girl sports requires more outreach (less funding and interest goes a long way). Fingers crossed with a prayer. Really hope it works out. Sweet stick!
Wulfpack- we are not doomed. We are getting better. I’m going to wait and see what VAWolf has to say in a week. I have a feeling that we are in the NCAAT on the contingency that if we don’t flame out in the ACCT. We should beat Clemson but not sure that these last two games decide our fate.
I need a drink. Going to hit that Cabernet Sauvignon- hmmmm, now.
Foose- only with kind respect. You are never misunderstood..but I will help you.
Your own Occam’s Razor: If you are not complaining or expressing dissatisfaction, our basketball team did not lose or win.
Furthermore and as long as there is a butt-kicking in Cheater’s Hole, the glory of destructing a top-ranked Duke, and the chance to play in the NCAAT, personal satisfaction with the program on a holistic scale is achieved. However, the variances with the behaviors, and consequently, performance of the union exist and you reserve the right to express future dismay at this plausible (mark that, likely) scenario.
You might also visit Fort Sumter (symbolic shot against the “union”) at the end of March if it goes really south. You state this humbly as one manly man, as opposed to a Bruce Jenner type of man.
And…YOU are welcome. Gosh, I miss translating for Mr. Dog. Going for the vinoooooooo…..
1 Day!! Things are going swimmingly.
You too. I have been keeping up with ya’ll all season. Good stuff here. I liked your “coach says what” series too. That was a great idea.
Vaguely. You have to refresh me. My brain and memory capacity is becoming smaller and smaller with every passing semester.
Now…. Somebody go ahead and say something stupid.
I was going to agree with Rick on the sole basis that he suggested changing our mascot to a fish. We are awesome with fish!!! We catch them better than anybody else. We swim like them and are faster than everybody….
I think (season-ending) Sharks sounds better though.
Roo- enjoyed your post. 100% on board. In an effort to keep true to Bill’s request, I think our team needs more “john” time.
Thanks Mr. Dog.
Tractor, well done for your public service. The only thing I see missing is hire Archie Miller. That seems to be one of the mainstays of the Gott-Hate crowd.
