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Yea roo. I said that the real tragedy of the ECU game was that it dampened enthusiasm for both the wake game and the domer game. I think we are all hoping that we a coach who would enforce a TOB type discipline with Amato’s recruiting ability. The real season starts in 13 days.
And make no mistake, whether he gets fired this year of not, these next 9 games will determine whether or not the DD era is remembered fondly or rises only above Tom Reed.
Roo – agree with you on Gott thing. He has exceeded my expectations, but I didn’t expect banners when he was hired.
Thus far, the results have been solid, if not spectacular and the program has moved forward in results AND talent. Still, this time 6 months ago it was an entirely different scene. And he still has to coach these guys up.
Things can change – I didn’t expect the absurdity i witnessed Saturday. I honestly thought those days were over. However, sometimes all of us fans imagine progress that real isn’t present.
Nope cowdog – still plenty of football left.
Saturday was about building a special environment to push recruiting and excitement for this year and DD’s program in general.
The loss Saturday hurts momentum amd doesn’t let DD or incoming recruits see what the excitement around the program that can exist.
So, to get that excitement and momentum back he needs to pick up some wins where they aren’t expected.
This also increases the pressure on him, his staff and the players to get a win.
Regarding Nc State coaches – I think we brought in TOB in about 5 years too late. For one thing, beware when you are hiring a coach who says “this is my last merrygoround.”
A second thing – when one of your long t assistants has leukemia and the other is diagnosed with Parkinson’s… well, let’s just say that pitching yourself and program to 18 year olds is probably not ad important.
The success of Sheridan – and the ability of o’cain, amato and O’Brien to have some success shows that our situation isn’t one where a coach can’t win. Heck, we have seen 3 coaches have enough success to have wins on a national scale – and not one of those coaches would be on the mt Rushmore of coaches.
The only question is when do we get our great coach.
Brain trust in Raleigh = same combo of players who have given us zero championships in sports that matter since 1987.
And let’s be honest – successful non-revenue sports are easy to build. Money can solve that problem because most schools do not care or are happy to let these programs feed off the success of their revenue sports.
Being good at non-revenue sports is kind of like being the restaurant with the best silverware and table cloths. The snooty class may love it, but you ain’t going to be able to have anything good come from of it if your food sucks.
Being good at non-revenue sports is great – but I would trade winning every championship in every non-revenue sport every year for a national championship in football and basketball every 10 – and I guarantee you most fans feel the same way.
Yep whiteshoes. Our d was destroyed yesterday.
It’s really the same script we saw play out in the 2nd half of the season last year…offenses spread us out and attack our linebackers who are covering receivers on obvious pass downs.
Like you said, there are coaches out there who have built programs. To me, when it comes to revenue sports, it seems like Yow just hires a man she is attracted to rather and has a “gut feeling” about rather than someone with proven results.
As everyone on this board knows, the DD hire was a huge risk because we were hiring a young coach whose only experience was taking over a program where he had to do zero building. He performed well in that situation, but that situation had as much applicable experience to NC State’s football situation as being a janitor at a high school does to cleaning up bio-hazardous waste.
Yea BJD – I agree it’s tempting – but I don’t want to raise my son or live my life that way.
To a certain extent, no one’s hands are clean. However, you don’t have to go after the lowest common denominator.
I honestly don’t think it’s rocket science. You find a group of coaches at smaller schools that weren’t great when the coach got there, but built something – and did so by not breaking a ton of rules.
If it works out – great. If not, at least you made a rational decision and didn’t sell your soul. (Although, yes, part of me would be excited if we hired Briles.)
Sometimes, when it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
Time will tell if year 1 told us all we need to know.
And to see someone knocking the cover off the ball watch Fuentes.
I have no idea if he will work out or not but at least he is starting fast.
Cowdog – that’s 100% correct.
The ship can still be righted. However, in order to get to that .500 Mendoza line in conference play EVERYTHING will have to improve significantly.
And fyi – both the Louisville and Va Tech game last year fall in same category. He’s blowing his chance to build a successful program.
Like wake forest’s current football coach and Cutcliffe.
Look, Yow took a flyer on DD and with a coach with such limited experience, you are basically saying, “we need to give this guy some time to see if he can succeed at this level at this school.”
We are in 2 totally different situations with our coaches. On one hand, we have a basketball coach who has proven he can win at a large school in a power conference, bit hasn’t proven he can succeed and turn the corner. OTOH, we have a football coach who guided a non-p5 school to an Orange Bowl, but hasn’t shown he can build crap.
Both hires were high risk and gut decisions. (Although you could argue that Gott was the best coach we could get period bazed on coaching search.)
My biggest concern at this point is that he won’t get a chance to build what he could here. Win this game and go into Notre Dame game undefeated and you have the kind of electric environment that he needs to get the kind of players he needs.
I forget what beatable team we lost to before we beat Clemson in TOB’s 5th year but I was more po’d because when you don’t make the most of your chances you take away enthusiasm.
And thanks to this game, C-F will be a little less electric than it would have – even if we go into that game 4-1.
De looks very Sendekian at this point. and I hate to admit it.
We should be so lucky. Sendek – for all of his faults, moved the program forward.
We still haven’t reached the last season conference win total as our last coach and he’s on his fourth shot.
You have to go back to 1959 to find a winless conference record. You have to go back to 1956 the last time we had 4 consecutive losing conference seasons.
Again, this season is critical and after this performance, 3+5 would be considered successful – but even that would represent historical futility.
I am willing to sit back and wait (like I could fire him anyway) – but I have seen this movie before.
I hope I am wrong. Again, I like DD and I would much rather have him go 4-4 for the next 5 years than hire the likes of Art Briles and go 7-1.
Lest we forget, as CD says, we missed TWO FG and one TWO Point conversion. That, without the use of my old K&E, totals up to 8. More than enough for the victory.
This is true. Its also true that the same kicker wasn’t reliable last year and one of those field goals was out of his range. It was the classic risk reward failure – it was 4th and 2 and you have your 2nd year kicker who struggled last year, kick a long one.
We did make the one that was squarely in his range. We went for a fake on another that was also in his range, and rather than kicking a n extra point, we went for 2…that’s 4 points and that’s 4 points squarely on the staff.
I am sorry, when you have a second year kicker who is struggling a second year, it’s on the staff. It falls in the “doing same thing, expecting different results” category.
And yes, in a game this close, there will be plenty of plays where you can whine about officiating, or blame the players.
But the way I see it, ECU’s staff did less to lose this game than ours did.
We have seen this before – DD struggles in games where he doesn’t have a clear advantage, that’s why he has zero wins over P-5 teams with a winning record.
I think this job may just be a bad fit for nc state, because we are not going to win more 3 conference games half of the seasons.
I am probably naïve, bit I don’t think that you need to hire an ethically challenged coach to won and win big.
I think you need someone pretty darn intelligent, hardworking, and innovative.
Heck, ee I don’t think we have had a great coach since Sheridan, yet we have still had some good years.
Keep in mind, if DD doesn’t got 4-4 in conference it will be the longest stretch of losing conference records since at least the 1950s…that doesn’t show that we should be as as bad as we have been.
To me, this season started badly when we kept Huxtable. Then again, what does it say when you “fire” (and I understand there were non-performance related issues with Canada.)
Team is reflection of coach.
That drive was screwed up from the start.
We have officially entered the “stay together for the kids” stage.
We can give him a 5th year, but I don’t think it changes anything. A first year coach just came in and ate his lunch.
And we better hope that Montgomery doesn’t stay at ECU long. Kids will want to play for him.
And if I am a parent, I want them to play for coach d. Ethically, he is the kind of man I want leading my team. I think he works hard at recruiting, but he now has a deplorable record in these “could” win / could lose games.
Special teams coverage is not a problem. In general, we have also been solid in the return game.
DD struggles in the situational game.
Also, if you buy that he is the mind behind the d, well….that explains the situational aspect as well doesn’t it.
