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Basspacker – Mime MacIntyre has the same tenure @ Colorado as DD does here. They are both in their 4th year.
He also took over a program in worse shape – at least from a wins and losses standpoint.
A better example is the tried and true Beamer. This appears to be the fallback comparison for othdr coaches who didn’t have much success in 4 years.
Regarding his tenure – apparently he has another year. I can see that with the UNC win and improvement shown on the line and defensively.
Regarding the gruff demeanor of DD – it is similar to what I have heard and read from others. The question is whether this is just social awkwardness or disdain for his external customers. Doesn’t matter anyway – he has next year and if it’s a repeat of this one, he could be will rogers and still get fired.
When I turned in we were 6-8 with about 10 minutes left. I can’t say that I regret that decision. 5:00 am comes early and the exercise, unlike this, is actually rewarding.
Don’t know why we expect the movie to change – different actors but the same director and apparently same script.
Marquell is already a smart player. Hopefully his skills won’t diminish over his career.
I don’t watch a lot of college basketball anymore. Are most teams this frustrating to watch?
Of course, Cut exceeded Roof’s (his predecessor) conference wins in his first season. (Ted Roof went his last 3 years without winning a conference game..so again, we aren’t talking fair comparisons.
We can also agree that they don’t have the same expectations or attendance in Durham.
Like Whiteshoes, give me a coach who has built something and has sustained it and regional if possible. Keep in mind Dabo probably doesn’t get the gig if Bowden isn’t fired mid-season.
Most big schools don’t want to bring in an assistant if they can help it. It doesn’t mean it can’t work, it just means that in a case like that you have zero to go on.
Yes. It could have been – but it wasn’t. And plenty of our ex-coaches were very close too. The only reason DD is on the hot seat is because he hasn’t reached the .500 mark once in conference in 4 years. If he had done so this year, I don’t think you would have seen as much drama. Next year, 4-4 in conference may not be enough.
But for the record, I would be happy of one of our guys was .500 or better after 6 years. (And I think that # is pretty much statistically out of reach for DD.)
Who would consider a 25% improvement paltry? Heck, Dd has barely won over 25% of his conference games.
Everything is relative. I imagine that Dabo has exceeded expectations. A hire like him makes sense when there is an individual on the staff that you believe has the right stuff AND you think that you are close, but not there.
Heck, when Sendek left all we needed was a 10% improvement from his last 5 years and we would be in great shape.
OTOH, a coach like Sidney Lowe, Les Robinson or Tom Reed makes that 25% improvement possible, perhaps even necessary (because you can’t really fall off the floor can you?)
Given his tough start if DD can make it to a conference record of .500 at the year mark, I will be thrilled and call anyone who wants him fired for onfield results an idiot. Heck, I would do the same he won an average of 4.5 these next 4 years unless something is clearly wrong his last 2.
Yogi – your comparison of Dabo to DD isnt supported by the data.
In Dabo’s first 4 years, he was 19-10, his first full 4 years, he was 23-9. (Taking away his first 5 games). OTOH, Tommy Bowden’s last 4 he wss 18-14.
Dabo won his division his 2nd year, where he tied TB’s best season. (Tommy Bowden never won his division.)
In Dabo’s 4th year, he went 7-1… something TB never did.
Funny thing, clearly Tommy Bowden was a decent replacement of Tommy West (whose last season was 1-7 in conference.) Even West had some initial success, but it was obvious he had peaked.
Likewise, there was evidence that Bowden had peaked.
Unfortunately for us, DD hasn’t matched the 4 conference win season of his predecessor in his first 4 years.
Still, I do believe he will have the talent to exceed that next year and hopefully at least tie TOB and Amato’s high water mark of 5-3.
Yogi – I hear you, but you gotta remember, he wS 8-8 in conference with Glennon.
Also, don’t underestimate Bible’s development of qbs. If you play the position the way he teaches, you at least end up holding a clipboard in the league. (I will be shocked if Finley doesn’t end up doing same.)
Regardless, it’s a game of inches and as I said after the Clemson game, they did a perfect job in everything but the last 29 seconds. And if you recall, I was bullish after that game and the Louisville outcome I largely ignored.
Still, I expected more than 2-3 in the last 5.
I have questions about the staff and the lead man, but I am fine with another year given the solidity of our trenches. What is missing is what has been missing the last 2 years, some depth, speed and height in the Db and an ability to get our linebackers out of coverage in critical passing situations.
Yogi – this was 4 years of data and I am not looking for 25% improvement. Frankly, since this was a “proactive” firing, I would have taken a break even. Heck, the big question in my mind is whether or not he matches TOB’s 6 year mark, which will mean he has had 2 really good years.
No one has a winning % of .750 or higher. But several have either had +.500 record or have had +.500 conference record for a year.
Mind you, that wasn’t what I was expecting this year. To me, this year was about building momentum for next year…and I think that is still possible with a good bowl performance.
But this is where the current staff has fallen short isn’t it? They have a decent record vs UNC and a decent record vs the scrubs. DD needs to break through. He has failed in years 3 and 4 to get that win to make people pay attention on a national level and to truly make people want to abandon their tailgate in Raleigh.
Yogi – Mike learn and Kirk Ferentz are 2 coaches who have done that.
If you look at the class of 2013 – DD was one of 17 coaches hired. Only 2 others have a win differential (from last 4 years of previous HC) worse than DD. One of those coaches was fired this year (Darrell Hazel @ Purdue.) I suspect the other – Mark Helfrich will get the ax in the next few days. For overall conference winning %, he actually finished 12th out of 17. (Keep in mind though that both mark stoops and MacIntyre have had pretty good years and this year exceeded anything DD has done.
It’s also worth noting that DD is the first of our last 5 coaches to not have matched the previous season conference win total of his predecessor.
Still, I see the progress that you mention on the lines. That is why if I was in Yow’s position, I probably would have done the same thing after the UNC-ch win.
Regarding Sendek – it should be noted that his results in Raleigh exceeded the person he replaced AND the person who replaced him.
In addition, his results were better than the person he replaced at ASU. He is a good coach, he just isn’t one of the best. (Ironically, I have always thought that he would be a better football coach since it would match his methodical approach better.)
He inherited CRAP. And drawing parallels to HWSNBN 4th season can suck it. It is tons easier to turn around a BB team than a FB team. TOB had TWO NFL caliber QBs, and one won a superbowl. And when he was fired he left NOTHING, NOTHING!!!!
Crap? Really? I guess it’s crap in that indisputable fact that HWSNBN managed to eclipse his replacement in Year 1 while DD still hasn’t. And he had taken a program that hadn’t been in the post season in 4 years in each of his four. Or maybe you are thinking Coach K and Tony Bennett both quickly turned around their Acc schools.
Oh, they named the battle of the 2 worst teams in the conference after his replacement? They didn’t.
Look, we will be lucky if DD can do to our football program what Sendek did for our basketball program. Turn it from a punchline to a joke to some respectability. Of course, our football program wasn’t a joke when DD was given the keys to the car.
Regarding NFL qb’s…DD had one the last 2 years. What was our record??
This year with 65% freshman and sophs State came within some fieldgoals (yes we NEED a kicker) and 4 or 5 plays away from being 10 – 2. FSU and Clemson trailed us and we almost won both of those games and they have a TON of 5th year players and one has a QB in the Heisman hunt. Momentum is a funny thing.
Yes. Damon Thornton’s charge call @ UMd says hello. As does Scooter Sherrill’s ankle. Look there are lots of teams that were very close – you know who remembers them – their fans, their players and their fired coaches who never got the ring.
State was rolling along with Rivers and Company until GT came to town and 10 – 0 became 9 – 1 and we lost the next 2.
Yes. I remember that well. But Amato would prove in the next year that he wasn’t the right guy to sustain the program.
I firmly believe if we had made the FG against Clemson we would have finished at least 8 – 4. DD wasn’t a miracle worker but that’s what everyone expected, because he had crap to work with from the start. And trust me, that defensive front 4 is as good as almost any I’ve seen at state with the exception of Super Mario’s 1st and 2nd year. Just my opinion, but it is realistic to look at just how close this team came to having a really good year.
I agree with a lot in this post although I think you are thinking of Mario’s 2nd and 3rd years. (Let’s not talk about how we managed to mess those years up.)
Yes- the Clemson game sucked in that up to the last 29 seconds the staff had done everything perfectly. But for some reason, he put the game in the hands of a unit that was struggling instead of a unit that was dominating. There are always risks, but as soon as I saw what we were doing I said out loud to my wife and sis in Death Valley “I wouldn’t do this.”
But I understood it.
We have the ingredients to be very successful next year. Hopefully, it will be special, because this year we had so much of what it takes and as the panthers luck shows this year and as year 5 showed for Sendek, sometimes, that’s as good as it gets for a bit. (If you doubt that talk to a Buffalo Bills fan.)
Cowdog – I could see that. I doubt the ptb thought we would have this kind of season – what with all of the close calls and all – that hasn’t been the mode of operandi in his first 3 years.
Say what you want about DD but he is NOT anywhere close to being like HWSNBN. And you know the coaches and players were disappointed with those close loses. It’s easy for us to sit back here and fuss about results, but when it comes right down to it the only skin we have in the game is as a watcher.
Actually I see a lot of similarities between Sendek and DD. I also see a lot of similarities between DD’s 4th season and Sendek’s fourth season.
The main difference I see in the first four years in that in his first four years, Sendek bad clearly moved the program forward in talent AND results, whereas DD still hasn’t reached the last conference record of his fired predecessor.
Sendek did eventually get it done, and while the painful collapses didn’t cost us tourney bids in his last 5 years, they still reared their ugly head on multiple occasions.
Time will tell if DD gets it done. He now has another year to focus on consistent improvement and build the program. I hope he gets it done.
As you rightly point out, we were very close this year. However, if the team is going to turn the corner, its executive leadership is going to have look hard at itself.
The good news is that the most difficult task – building a deep and talented roster capable of competing with college football’s elite – is done. Now comes the small details, the inches that will determine whether the 2016 season goes down as the season we were able to see the program DD had built (for long term success) for the first time or whether a chronic limitation was exposed that would limit the potential of the program under his leadership.
Wow. Bjd squarely in the “fire DD” camp.
As for me, his players showed they still give a flip and for that he shall reap the rewards. I don’t know how to call it…I can’t tell if he was mad at the state fans or the press or the lady who hired him or all of the above.
Regardless, he has to understand for that for 4 years, the fanbase has endured a lot…and the progress this year, which changed to regression in the 4th quarter And resulted in the most heartbreaking collapses since Sendek’s 4th season here, well let’s just say that didn’t help matters.
Dave, your reward is $2 million dollars, and a job and a chance to see just how special and electric this fanbase is when they actually believe they won’t get their hearts broken.
Yes. I saw the vote of confidence from His. It wasn’t exactly the biggest pep talk in the world, but I think it pretty much removes any remaining doubt after yesterday.
The program is positioned well to have a successful season. The squad needs to get over the proverbial hump. It would have been nice to see us salt away this game the way the “u” slammed the door on us 2 weeks ago.
It was a needed win, but there are the signs much like the Notre Dame game where we let a talented team hang around jeopardizing a solid all-around effort. (This is what happened vs FSU and it absolutely bit us in the end.)
Lost in some of the drama of this year was that we were incredibly fortunate on the injury front. We probably won’t be so lucky next year, so let’s all agree to remove that excuse if we finish 3-5 or worse.
Next needs to be about finishing teams off and the staff needs to examine their own culpability in the slew of close losses. How can they give us the best chance to win in the fourth.
If we can improve in those areas, next year has a chance to be very special because frankly, those areas were the only reason this wasn’t the most satisfying football season since Sheridan’s first year.
Botb – I said before the game that I would be judging dd on how his boys played today. They played balls out and in spite of another game where it was closer than it should have been, the “work” itself has to be worth something.
I am cool with seeing what happens next year (for the 100th time not that it matters.)
I think we should be able to tell what the players think about our situation.
Can they imagine playing football for another guy? Will they fight to end for DD? I know these guys will fight for each other, but those critical first possessions.
Not quite 13. Almost 9 now, but like his Daddy, much less mature than age would indicate.
Well, I can see why your post has such a strong impact. It’s written with the vividness of a Johnny Cash song – and well, if you are a state grad or even – you know what ctit’s all about. We know it’s about the fight. That spirit is what unites us. We aint frontrunners.
It also harkens back to a time when a freshman wouldn’t have known about a dirty starter for the other team and life had more obvious “unknowns”.
Cowdog – story does not get old. It should be required reading for any state fan. It should be required reading for freshmen orientation.
Amazing. Thank you for posting and getting the fire burning in the belly again
But against our good opponent’s – they will move the ball better and be more skilled.
St Joe’s missed some wide open looks last night. Good teams will usually make those.
Come on Roo.
Can’t be done. I will pulling for the Pack hard. Don’t worry though, my pulling hard for the Pack has only worked in a handful of conference games in football the last 4 years.
Rye – I look at a zone from a guard that could shoot pov. My eyes lit up when I saw a zone. The key was simply being disciplined enough to not take the fools gold. Good shots are available vs a zone with skill, discipline and execution. The same can’t be said with man-to-man.
I think that theory works without an easy 3 point line. This 3 point line is too easy and most good teams have at least 2 shooters on the floor capable of getting those easy shots. Further, if you don’t have good rebounding fundamentals, you get killed on the boards.
St Joe’s got plenty of good looks and rebounds, they just didn’t convert. I do think a zone is good to throw in on occasion – due to foul trouble, fatigue or trying to break momentum…I just think it’s not as effective as man to man d.
