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Botb – you are correct. The game is different today, but yet some coaches operate in this environment better than others.
Gott does a great job of getting talent here. However, when I see what I have seen the last few years, I see a lack of accountability for the “leaders”. Now, if you are a sub, you are held accountable and your leash is short. Otoh, if you’re a “pet”, you are shown the patience of Job.
Now, this approach has paid some dividends, but I don’t think it’s helping us go from good to great.
Bass – he has done that plenty, but still gets the minutes. Hence, the lack of respect thing. I guess he only does this in games.
This is year 6 for Gott. We should have an idea of what a Gott led program will look like…or we could just look at the second half of his career @ bama
Abu and Anya haven’t been the same since coming back from the NBA camps EARLY last summer…
Coaching degree of difficulty on fixing that, at this point… 9 out of 10Why is it, nobody’s talking ’bout our “Senior / Upperclass” Leadership???
Perhaps because all indications are that these guys are decent blokes and because it’s very rare that guys hang around his program for 3 or 4 years.
Here’s a question for you – why is a kid like Tyler Lewis willing to ride the pine @ butler?
Perhaps, it’s an issue of respect- if you aren’t one of the “pets.”
Look, Gott is a decent coach. He is a good recruiter. However, there’s little indication we can expect much more than an NCAA bubble bid. He has been coaching p5 basketball for 16 years and has 1 conference regular season title, 1 division title and an elite 8.
He must have a lot of issues with upper class leadership.
Anyone still feel like this is a good thing for the team to endure?
You know – if this were the first subpar performance, perhaps. This team has lost 3 times. In those 3 games, they beaten pretty handily.
I see in this game the drawbacks of gott ball on steroids. Poor defensive rotation, poor defensive rebounding, a lack of attention to detail in general – poor caddying.
Again, if we are a bubble team on selection Sunday with this roster, it’s not really acceptable. I guess our outlook would change long term if we were able to win an ACC tournament, but still…
My wife told me to check to see if church was cancelled – I told her she didn’t know Father Steve. He’s not cancelling on account of bad weather.
I imagine that sight uses a rolling metric – so it’s probably using all of our data – which is only fair.
Our kenpom stinks because we have had lots of close wins (moreso in the first few weeks of the season) and when we’ve lost it hasnt been pretty. In addition, our defensive stats are mediocre, so they drag us down.
A few more nights like the last one and we will be fine. I don’t like to harp on missing players because that happens and can happen at any time. We have good depth, but there are a couple of players that if we lost we would definitely miss the tourney.
Looking forward to UNC – Ch game. Actually, I shouldn’t. I will blow a gasket and think and possibly say things that aren’t good. Put another way, if every time I drank a few beers I reacted like I do to the site of those Heels, I would have either had to stop drinking, been put in jail, or died of a heart attack.
Yes packer in Russia – transitive property does have its limits. In football since ECU beat us, we beat UNC, who beat Pitt who beat Clemson
Botb – agree on the note that our bigs need to touch it first, then kick it out.
Unsung last night was a very solid job on the boards
VA Tech didn’t really crash them, but there weren’t many second shots.We still have lots of room for improvement and we will need to play better to get a W on Saturday.
Yea Botb – I looked this up… Here’s the one we missed out on. I swear, Lowe recruited one who never showed on campus.
B.O.T.B. – I swear there has been a Tyrone Outlaw who is about 6-7 and we have recruited him the 3 previous decades. Maybe he finally qualified.
Holy cow.
That was awesome!
Now, don’t call the wolves off.
Keep in mind, I have only seen 3 players playing their “smartest” – Mav, BJ and Yurtseven. DJ offensively has been hot and cold – however, very impressed with his D.
Abu has been great on the boards. Henderson has been extremely effective, bit has has had a couple of lapses defensively and has taken some bad shots. Dorn is in a bit of a funk. It’s great we can do this without him on his A game.
Rye – correction for you on TJ’s season. We won the NCAA play-in game, but lost in the round of 64 when we forgot how to shoot foul shots vs. SLU (A meltdown rivaling the Vandy meltdown in 2004).
Tau – that’s a good question and where I would go. What would our kenpom ranking be over the last 4 or 5 or something. Still, without knowing where kenpom had us at similar points the other 4 years, it’s hard to say whether or not VA Wolf is being pessimistic or simply realistic.
This VA Tech game is critical. If we can get buy this team, we will be “on track”. Lose, and simply making the tournament becomes an uphill slog. (Looking at our schedule and our results thus far against solid competition, one might rightly conclude that already.
Of course, the one factor slightly in our favour is that we haven’t had one of these games at home yet. So, it can be said that the data set is somewhat lacking in terms of what this team will do over the next 17 games where they need to win 9 of them since 9 of those games will be at home.
VA Wolf – I am tempted to say you’re unduly pessimistic in this case since we have a head coach who has made the NCAA tournament 4 of his 5 years.
However, we also have a coach who had a similar period of consistency at his last stop only fall off the wagon.
The question from his previous stint is really 2 fold:
Did he fall off the success wagon because a) he pursued other interests and / or was running his program in a way that made it susceptible to falling off or b) does he just lose interest focus after reaching a certain level and/ or is he doomed for a similar arc here in Raleigh.
If you believe in (A) – then you should be optimistic. If you believe in (B) – you shouldn’t.
Nor could anyone blame a state fan for fatalism. Iforgot who said “no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of American people.” But a similar phrase applies to NC State: no one ever looks like an idiot predicting mediocrity for the Pack **since V was fired.
Roo – regarding your assessment of V and Gott…
V’s teams actually ran a lot in practice. As you rightly pointed out, it was a different era and V relied on his instincts and his observations. He also had a couple of high IQ guys in the backcourt and various other glue guys. He believed in a roster that allowed him various angles of attack.
Those days are gone now and this era is different.
Regarding Gott and his practices – I wonder how much teaching is going on and exactly what is emphasized. Since he was at Alabama, his teams have a reputation for being mediocre defensively. Since he has been at NC State, his teams have done a very poor job on he boards – xphoenix accurately broke down some of these other defiencies.
It has to be noted that during this time frame, his teams have never been accused of having decencies in talent.
Regarding Yow and the non-revenue sports. I don’t know whether it’s rotten luck that the 2 most important hires for a Power 5 conference haven’t had the clear success that her swimming and wrestling coach are. Perhaps someone different is making these hires or vetting them
Perhaps, it’s only a matter of emphasis or it’s easier to identify AND secure successful hires. Perhaps, ego is playing a greater role in these 2 positions – I don’t know.Suffice it to say, if DD and Gott had similar success of some of these other coaches, there would be nothing but joy in Wolfpack nation and NC state tickets would be a hot commodity.
TAT – given what was known about our kicking game going into that game you can’t blame it on the kicker. It’s like blaming a gott baskeball player for not boxing out.
