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Stines, Stevens and Armstrong is stripes tonight in the CarrierDome…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!One game a year is the perfect solution for old men…
IF it’s the ‘right’ game…
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I’d want to dig a little deeper into the numbers and the logic and ‘Student Issues’…1. In general…Student populations have grown faster than stadium seats, so, on the face of things, it seems ‘expected’ for student % to drop…
2. The geographical areas from which students come and to which they go after graduation to get jobs has greatly expanded over the years. Again this seems to suggest that a drop in attendance would be ‘expected’ among younger alum…
3. The impact of massive college loans limits the financial ability of many graduates for years after graduation… Again this seems to suggest that a drop in attendance would be ‘expected’ among younger alum…
The clear point here is that none of the above has anything to do with “game day experience”. More importantly, spending money on “game day experience” won’t fix 1 thru 3 above…
We had this conversation last year after football season…
B’rer Roo and I crafted the solution…
1. Free football tickets
2. $25 admission to the parking lots… Lots open at 10am regardless of game time…
3. Live music and Beer for sale in every parking lotOpens up ‘new markets’ and new revenue sources…
——————-btw… B’rer Roo is notHere but Here!
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!I wish we’d see a BJD sighting.
^This in Cats…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!I used to be a gym rat.
That could be said for 90% plus of the guys who hang here regularly… the key words being ‘used to be’…
Now…I’m really not here anymore.
Now I live vicariously thru TeeVee and the interwebz.
OK…. I see and raise your ‘subtlty’…
NOW… All of us are ‘here’ and none of us are ‘here’…
We are all virtual…Next time I’m down your way doing coastal doings, we’ll do that… < POP ’em cold beers > .
The ‘healing’ properties of alcohol are well established in medicine… had it not been for the ‘side effects’ when large quantities are required, ether would have never been used…
NO pain… NO gain…
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POP!!!#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!My coach taught us both zone and man to man in 7th grade, and used one finger or two to let us know which one to use.
H8R… Did I coach YOU?
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Wufpacker & Ryebread…
Talking about ‘Stranger Things’…
How is it possible I live 1 mile from Trask Gym and that you guys have seen more UNCW games than I have and AND we ain’t POPPED a couple tops on some cold ones yet ???
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!So, b.otb have you changed your mind that Coach Keatts has not had enough time to teach zone defense yet?
Keatts was hired last April…
April => mostly getting moved to Raleigh and acquainted with everybody…
May-June-July => mostly recruiting – hanging out with the Wolfpack Club – players working out on their own… that is — the ones that had signed up and were in town..
Aug – Sept => mostly getting things organized – players working on conditioning on their own…
Oct-Nov => Real bball practice…
Nov – Dec => 10 ballgames – some away – plus real practice…
Jan -Feb => conference ballgames – some away -plus real practice…
It’s still a matter of priorities…
There’s No way to do everything that’s been done and Zone too…1. Conditioning
2. One Offense
3. One Defense
4. Some situational stuff
5. Individual Player skills and fundamentals..is about all that anybody could do with new kids the first season…
chicken meet egg…In a word… No.
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!For the new guys hanging around here…
Mr. Dog, rightfully, has a deep love for the “Active Zone” defense…
Probably has something to do with the fact that Mr. Dog, Sr., who was a basketball coach and who is in the New York State High School Athletics Hall of Fame, invented the damn thing back in the 1960s… same defense that Boeheim (not the first) and others have copied….
Go Mr. Dog!
My considered opinion on the matter is that “Good to Great” Teams should be able to play both Zone and Man to Man Defenses reasonably well regardless of their “talent” levels…
———————————Speaking of “talent”… and questions as to whether we have “talent” or not…
all that’s a little vague for me…Are we talking about….
1. Physical talent… speed, quickness, jumping ability, body strength…
2. Mental talent as in basketball IQ and concentration and focus
or
3. Emotional talent – the ability to get along with diverse people, to subrogate your personal goals for the good of the team and to handle the pressure of the big games on the big stages…Please clarify…
In general terms, it might be worth mentioning that all kinds of “talent” are, as a general rule, measured in terms relative to your peers and competitors…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Did not the wide open court disturb y’all?
^Yes, deeply….
Stranger Things I’ve never seen on any hardwood court on Tobacco Road….POP!!!
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!^It could be worse…
When I went down to Tallahassee in ’78… Everytime I told someone I graduated from NC State… they asked…
“Oh! is that is Chapel Hill?”GO PACK!
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Hello Lynchburg!
After last week, how are you doing up there twix and tween the ‘hoos and ‘Hokies ?Holding your own I’m sure, as they’re too busy talking to and about each other to pay State any attention…
It looks like the Dance Card puts State right on the edge:
Given the way we played last week… This says more about the teams theoretically below us than about us….
We’re gonna play better this week unless Stranger Things happen….
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!thanks rye for buttering the bread…
You’re on target…
It might be worth pointing out that there were two Deans…
Dean v1.0 during the ‘Happy Days’ and before…
Dean v2.0 during the ‘Wonder Years’…Dean v1.0 was 110% about teaching the fundamentals, the structure and the discipline of his system and ‘developed’ alot of good players into NBA players — ask Bobby Jones ’bout that, BUT… he was so married to his mathematical system that even the old TarHole faithful freely admit that it cost ’em a couple of championships…
Dean v2.0 was, shall we say, a little more ‘relaxed’ about some things…
None of that changes the fact that he was slippery as hell on the recruiting trail… throughout his career…
Just ask Danny Manning….Dean, I think, if on the bench today would have be ‘troubled’ by Stranger Things…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!“With Pinson cackling from the next locker, Berry shrugged off a follow-up question, too.”
Not surprised…
Pinson knows JO-L’s mouth is bigger than his game…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!thanks, guys…
————–^After cataract surgery two years ago, I’m 20/10 at 500 yds — on the other hand, I can’t see how to shave anymore with my spectacles… Modern Medicine at it’s finest….
O2 – no problem…
Bonus – it’s quiet too…
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RE: Heart and soul plus pressure defense…
This team is streaky… After the Under 8 in the first half…
We went from 4 or 5 down to up 10…During that time, the Holes failed to score on 9 straight possessions and were totally lost…
Uncle Roy, as always, sat on his timeouts and Under 4 was finally called somewhere around 2:30…Instead of the PACK offense, it was the PACK Defense and REBOUNDING by our BIGS was feeding the offense and generating all the energy needed to dominate the Holes…
The problem with streaks is you never know when… and you can’t turn ’em on and off…
Uncle Roy ain’t stupid…. he knows points in the first half only count half as much as points in the second and streaks don’t last thru halftime…
If we had that streak at any point in the second half, we woulda won by 20… The poor Holes, with the exception of Maye, ain’t got no heart or grit, especially JO-L… who wouldn’t have started on any of Dean’s teams…
Nevertheless, THIS is what we need to put in ‘bottles’…
And the way to do that is to figure out how to keep most of the guys in school for 3 or 4 years…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Stranger Things – Chapter 3
Like I said at the top… the Holes didn’t do much better than the PACK with respect to any of this, except Uncle Roy is still running Dean’s 50 year old high / low post play and they can make that work when they choose to use it.
Worth mentioning…
With the exception of 2 or 3 whistles that were honest ‘could be called either way’ plays… yesterday was one of the best officiated games in a while… Didn’t catch their names, but we need those guys back in the PNC…
The one Bright Spot…
Lenard and ABU played like Seniors in their last regular season game at home against the Holes for about the last eight minutes. I’m not sure it’s not because Luke Maye was embarrassing them or not….The other Spot…
As I said last night in the game thread… All this above, plus Maye’s Career Half plus 78% in the second half by the Holes and we’re still down only 2 pts with 1:34 to play and it’s anybody’s game to win…. which I believe is the prove of the veracity of my analysis…Our press defense and fast break offense keeps games close. And we don’t quit. We’ve got heart and grit.
But that UN* team yesterday would not beat the worse of Dean’s or the worse of Roy’s teams 2 out of 10 times…
And that Wolfpack team yesterday would not beat the worse of Sloan’s or Valvano’s teams 2 out of 10 times.
All of those teams knew and could execute their fundamentals. All those teams made squeaky shoes noises during games, no squeaky shoes yesterday…
With the exception of Bennett’s ‘hoos and Wisconsin and a small handful of others… it’s the same at every other school…
For this old man who learned and played the game during the ‘Happy Days’ and earlier, it was like watching a basketball game playing in the ‘Upside Down’ of ‘Stranger Things’, except the bright lights turned on….
———————————————————-Conclusions:
Coach chooses his headaches and buys his aspirin….Which is to say….
I don’t know if any Coach can correct 6-8-10 years of playing street ball and not learning the fundamentals in 1, 2 or maybe 3 years….
If you recruit the fundamentally sound players, then you’re probably giving up athleticism and raw talent.
If you recruit the MAC5*****’s, you’re gonna half to deal with the head cases…. And all of the above because they’re lacking some or most of the fundamentals too…. Just ask Calipari or Coach Rat….
Regardless of that choice, you still got to have heart and grit and you got to build a TEAM.
And you got to do your best with what you have to work with and the breaks you get – good and bad – with injuries, officiating etc…
Seems to me that in the case where a ‘culture change’ is required and long term results are expected, the correct starting place is putting a Team with Heart and Grit on the court every game comes first. That and doing your best with what you have to work with…
And if we’re harping on fundamentals… it’s understandable, but maybe not as realistic as we would hope…
2018 is a time of ‘Stranger Things’…
Byob — BOTB#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Stranger Things – Chapter 2
The Breakdown for the PACK…
1. Rebounding on both ends…A. Boxing out. Never.
B. On missed shots, the ball hit the court at least 20 times… On one play in 4th quarter, the Holes missed an outside shot. There were 3 PACK players approx. 10 ft from the basket, 6 or so ft apart from each other and no Holes inside the free throw line extended. The rebound bounced off the floor and went between two Pack guys and was recovered by a Hole. Unbelievable. Standing around, everybody’s back pointing each other.
C. On the offensive end, if someone would suggest that we’re more concerned about getting back on Defense, stopping the fast break than getting an offensive rebound and a easy putback – that, my friends, would be difficult to dispute.
2. Offense… The PACK appears to be running a minimal – pro style halfcourt offense. After a soft pick on the perimeter, it’s a lot of isolation, clear outs, drive by or step back and shoot type offense. The problems here are multiple.
A. We’re quick enough to get the primary defender most of the time, but when the opposing defense collapses… we’re trapped in the lane and making a whole lot of passes based on ‘pure hope’, not on structure. Half those passes should have never been made – the other half the receiver for a variety of reason, none good, couldn’t make the catch with a reasonable chance of making a good shot. On more than a few occasions, the passers, when under pressure, get narrow tunnel vision and can’t see or feel the opposing defenders outside of their 3 ft tunnel resulting in easy steals.
B. Yurt7 is a beast inside, but he’s a 7 footer with the mentality of a 6’7” forward. He would be virtually unstoppable in the low post, if he would develop the ability to simply feel which side his man was leaning on and roll opposite with the layup, the dunk or the baby hook from inside 10ft. He needs to forget everything he knows about that fall away jumper from 10ft. Besides, the rest of his Team is on the other side of halfcourt by the time he takes it. Besides, the rest of his team is already across half court when he takes and there’s no chance of a rebound. Just take the ball to the basket, get a basket, get a foul, get your rebound. Or tell everybody else to crash the boards.
C. We played soft… , No hard picks, Very few hard passes, No hard cuts… the later two being the worse of the three, imho. Now, I went to a couple of Coach Hugh Durham’s practices back in the day at FSU. He spent 30 minutes every day practicing hard V cuts to a tolerance of TWO inches for BOTH footwork and passing. Precision and Timing plus Precision and Timing plus Precision and Timing equals Trust and Confidence and Success.
3. Defense on Set Plays:
A. Help Defense – occasionally considered, rarely seen…. Except when everything bunches together in the lane after a missed shot. Don’t need to say anymore about that, except that we need to play help defense… read on…
B. Footwork…. Outside we rarely square up. We’re rushing / overplaying the shooter hard and not reversing when he drives by our weak side. Or we’re jumping the shooter attempting the block. The one time we guess right and get a steal or a block does NOT make up the other NINE times, nothing good happened next… but the crowd loved that one play and maybe that goes on the highlight film…
C. Positioning… WTF is Yurt7 doing 20ft from the basket crouched, trying to guard a smaller man? See above… he needs to own the paint on both ends and let his team mates take care of the rest of the court… which has something to do with why his minutes were limited yesterday, I think…
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continued…#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Apologies to all those whose panties got wadded from my “negative lob”. There was point to my comment, but I realize most of you aren’t privvy to why. Nor will its intended target ever see it anyway.
hey guys… methinks that “point” originates on the backside of SFN, not the front side…
@Wufpacker — Apology accepted Bro… you’re welcome here anytime in either ‘Back’ or notBack’ condition…#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!^back is the new notBack ???
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Hokies over the ‘hoos in OVERTIME in Charlottesville by ONE !!!POP!!!
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!OK… I made it all the way up and down I-40 in about 9 hrs…
The worst part other than the final score was getting out the West Lot at the pNC…And I see you guys held your own…
Oh yeah…. Wufpacker is back, but not back…
Whatever…
——————Short but sweet for now… but I’ve got a lot more to report….
1. Uncle Roy and Luke walked out of the tunnel together and all Uncle Roy said was…
“IF you NOT going to play for me next season, this is the game your hometown people will remember you by…”That’s was THAT….
2. In spite of THAT and with the TOTAL attention Luke required from every in Red&White, the rest of the Holes got their shots too… shooting 78% in the second half…
So we have Career half plus 78% shooting plus Rebounding, or the lack thereof…
AND we’re only down 2pts with 1:34 to play…Admittedly.. that’s a little Wolfpack spin…
but let that sink in…without the spin… them’s still the facts…
3. See above…
Without any doubt, THIS UN* team ranks with the 09-10 and 02-03 teams as the worst they’ve seen with Uncle Roy as the Head Coach.
94-89
OK… so we got ’em 2 out 3 this school year…
that ain’t bad…————————
Tommorrow afternoon, I’ll post what I really saw and I’m gonna promise you, I’m gonna tell the truth…
BOTB
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Shot selection, or lack thereof, starts with ALL-erik on his ‘bad’ nights and that stupidsh#t seems to be ‘contagious’ — reminds me of Cat v1.0, except Cat v1.0 didn’t shot 3s …
Damn, I understand what it feels like when the Coach looks down the bench at you and yells ‘Get in the game and make something happen’, BUT… on those nights that wasn’t exactly what Coach meant….
as RT pointed out… Keatts knows what to do… the better question is can the kids deliver consistently?
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!The best part of last night’s game was watching BOTH Uncle Roy and Coach Rat contend with Jamie Luckie trying to run the show on the court…
If Jamie’s in the PNC tomorrow, idk… somebody ain’t going to be happy….
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Thanks GC!
Good to know we can play some Zone if the situation is right….
We’ll just trust Coach!
Given the fact that there’s not a lot of
Zone DDefense taught anymore in public school and AAU ball…So let’s go with this…
1. Keatts gets the kids in top condition and teaches them how to play his pressure man D this season…
2. Keatts keeps the kids in top condition and teaches them how to play Zone next season…As I said earlier… I don’t think it’s possible for a new Coach with new kids to do both in one season at the levels required in the ACC….
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!^Better question….
for those who might know…
Is ZONE-D important in Keatts playbook… or is he faithfully married to the man to man / full court pressure / stop those 3s – Defense … which has been highly successful on our best nights against most opponents ???
Admittedly and without hesitation, may I add… I would NOT expect any HOF coach to teach this group of kids BOTH at the level that would need to played in the ACC in their first season as a coach.
Truth is… most all of us are surprised and pleased with what the kids have ‘learned’ so far….
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Dorn didn’t have the impact that he normally does. In our recent streak he has been good for a quiet 16-20 points and 8-10 boards. Last night he was just quiet.
That’s right… and for no obvious reason… except he just didn’t touch the ball enough all game…
Dorn has been the Man the last five minutes of the game than not since the first ND game..Batts was also invisible…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!St; John’s is legit… Beat Dook and Villanova back to back, which puts the ‘Hoos #1…
First time for that since Ralph Sampsom in ’84…I’m not trying to put lipstick on the pig, but…
Our Team DID NOT quit last night — cut a 20pt lead to 4 with 4 or 5 to play…Any other State team in the last 3 years would have gotten beat by 30 last night…
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#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!
