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As an LTR donor for football and basketball, I couldn’t care less about the Director’s Cup. What I DO care about is that NCSU football hasn’t won the ACC in 38 years and basketball hasn’t won the ACC in 30 years. On top of that, neither program has even seriously contended for the ACC title, and in fact have, for many years, struggled just to get to or just above .500 in the league. Solid coaching hires? Those hires’ ACC records certainly don’t back up that claim.
My biggest concern about the AD’s last hire is that it seemed to lack any sense of urgency as to how long we’ve been bad and what to do about it NOW, not 4 or 5 years from now. The focus didn’t appear to be national but rather local, and again we’ve ended up with another unproven hire. Many on here have declared that we needed to make this hire quickly before someone else grabbed him. Seriously? Are you kidding me?
As for the AD, she is indeed better than the last one, but that’s like saying that the 1963 Mets were a big improvement over their 1962 predecessors. Furthermore, I’m still not convinced that she’s ready to retire anytime soon.
We may not be the NC State of the 1970s and 1980s. I get that. I just want to know when we’ll quit being the NC State of the 1990s and the 2000s. How long is this malaise going to last?
We’ve just seen UNC hang another banner while we keep sinking deeper and deeper into football and basketball obscurity. What we’re doing is clearly not working, but we keep on doing it anyway.
I have read the posts on here, some positive, some negative, some mixed.
The thing that disappoints me most about this hire is that in spite of DECADES of basketball mediocrity, we have again chosen a path of re-inventing the wheel instead of hiring a big-name coach. The 6-year contract tells me that NCSU feels that it’s going to take a long time for this coach to pull us out of the mud. Why else would they give this long of a contract to an inexperienced HC from not one but two levels below the ACC? Despite not having won squat since 1987, there still doesn’t seem to be any sense of urgency whatsoever among NCSU administrators. I have followed Wolfpack basketball since the late 1950s, and have been a financial supporter the past 20 years, and feel what this program needs most of all is an instant jump-start.
I hope it works, but after the last 3 HC hires we’ve made, I am skeptical at best. I also note that I’ve yet to hear anyone at NCSU, administration or HC’s that we’ve had recently, that a primary goal is winning an ACC championship.
I just wonder if men’s basketball or football will ever finish above .500 again, especially on any kind of a consistent basis. Hope. That’s what it’s all about.
Of COURSE Keatts wants to be here! The salary bump will be a significant one from Wilmington.
I knew where this was going after listening to Len Elmore, the local sports talking heads, and reading the N&O. Their headline in the sports section today told me all I needed to know- UNC-W loses so now their coach is available to NC State. This is the THIRD article they’ve had in the past week, plugging Keatts.
Did NCSU even CONSIDER other candidates? This is a PC hire, pure and simple. And no one will expect Keatts to do well for a at least 3 or 4 years because of the “learning curve” from low D-1 to high D-1. We’re going to be stuck with Keatts for a long time. Actually, I’m not sure we’re a high D-1 anymmore. Honestly, folks, is this the best we can do?
I don’t think that winning is the main goal for NCSU revenue sports anymore.
Blame the Millers all you want, but the REAL blame lies in our athletics department. They are hellbent on re-inventing the wheel. They failed three times with Lowe, Doeren (yes) and Gottfried, but they just KNOW that eventually, if they are given the time, that they can create the next Coach K.
I thought BC had the most dismal outlook of any ACC school in football and basketball, but not anymore.
The NCSU coaching hire to me that epitomizes the Wolfpack administrative mindset is the one who amassed a 6-170 record in volleyball before she was finally fired, and then she sued the school.
We have a recent history of bad coaching hires, but worse yet, as evidenced by recent football and basketball hires, we keep ’em forever.
One major flaw I see is both the Big XII regular-season winner and tournament winner not only in the same region, but in the same bracket as well. KU to me is the best team in the country and should not have to face Izzo in the second round and then Iowa State in the third round. Putting Wake and Manning possibly against Kansas is typical tv stuff, just like FSU vs FGC. They’ve gotta create a story for every game, it seems.
I thought #7 Michigan deserved a higher seed than #6 Maryland. Duke soared on its 4 straight, but Michigan apparently gained little in the seeding by also winning their tourney in 4 straight. If winning a conference tournament means so much to the small schools, then it should mean more to the power schools as well. UNC was going to get the #1 seed because of winning the regular-season, regardless of Brooklyn, but the Heels don’t have to face all their league foes twice a season, like the Big XII.
Gonzaga is a good team, but if we could have a selection process without geography figuring in, they’d be about a #3 in my book. There is no way I see the Zags making it to the FF, let alone winning it. There are five ACC teams who are better, maybe 6.
Boewhine is upset probably because Syracuse was snubbed and Wake got in (I didn’t think either deserved to get in). He’s bitter about the ACC destroying the Big East, and I can identify with this in that I think the ACC has also been ruined by the Big East expansion. Before the ACC expanded past 9 teams, the ACC should have moved the ACCT permanently to Greensboro. Then, when these faraway teams came in, they would have to accept the league as it was. Now, they want the league to accommodate them instead. Except for Virginia Tech, I say screw all the former Big East teams. They are not who we are, and never will be, but thanks to John Swofford, we’re stuck with ’em.
The News & Observer has plugged Keatts twice, so far, as who State should hire as their next basketball HC.
EVERYTHING the N&O says is based almost solely on their political agenda. Never forget that.
I tried to listen to this game at work today, but it was sickening. I am so sick of the Wolfpack brand of street ball, performed by NBA wannabees, that I could puke.
So now another Debbie Yow hire rides off into the sunset, with a fat wallet and an overall losing ACC record (48-58), leaving the revenue programs still mired in mediocrity. Please don’t preach to me about the 4 NCAAT appearances, which these days are little more than a bowl appearance when you consider that it is no longer a major accomplishment like it was in years past.
What can we expect next from the astute AD? If she reads the News & Observer, the decision of who’s next won’t be hard since the paper is pushing hard for a PC hire from the Port City. And please don’t preach to me about what’s PC; EVERYTHING the N&O and their political hack sports writers put on paper is predicated on political correctness.
I have little faith that the NCSU administration has learned that they aren’t likely to re-invent the wheel. My money is that they are still convinced, after decades of HC failures, that they can hire the next great young coaching prospect and make him the next Dean or Mike. AND they can probably do it on a bargain basement price. Well, by now they ought to be able to identify the basement.
With the current leadership in West Raleigh, I expect us to remain in contention for the ACC cellar in both football and basketball. It’s not like the money isn’t here, or the opportunity.
Enjoy the post-season. I don’t know how long this coaching search will be, but I guarantee you it’ll be textbook witless, just like the decision to keep Gottfried after firing him. I just wish we could have seen these kids play a half dozen or so games under someone else. Maybe something might have been salvaged instead of savaged.
You gotta be kidding me! Good news on Markel’s knee injury, plus the Wolfpack men won’t lose this weekend.
Whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WIDE RIGHT and MISERY. The story of 2016-17 Wolfpack revenue sports.
Shot selection, ballhandling, offensive rebounding, perimeter defense, TEAM defense, floor leadership, coaching: they’re all absent. This State team makes the Les Robinson teams look good when you consider the personnel. Hell, Bob Wade probably could have won 4 ACC games with this team, and just might have looked better doing it.
I hope the AD still feels good about her decision to allow Mark Gottfried to continue taking this team even deeper into the abyss. Apparently there’s no limit to just what the league’s worst b-ball HC can do if given enough time and support by the league’s worst AD, who is determined to prove that a square peg CAN be driven into a round hole if the pounding goes on long enough.
Honestly, the Wolfpack program, right now anyway, doesn’t need another Dennis Smith anytime soon. What IS needed is a group of players who have fundamental skill sets and the smarts to execute them, and a desire to help the program more than their own NBA resume sheet.
This to me has been a team made up of spare parts, and nary a one of ’em seems to fit together.
I have never wanted a Wolfpack basketball season to be over as much as this one. At least the ACCT will be played far from Tobacco Road.
As said before and again, no Power Five program in D-1 major revenue sports currently spends as much money to get such sorry results as the NC State Wolfpack.
The ACC will likely get 8 teams in: UNC, Louisville, Duke, UVA, FSU, Miami, VT and Notre Dame. If there is a 9th ACC team, it would be either Syracuse or GT. With their coach and zone defense, plus playing in Brooklyn, don’t count the Orange out, especially after last season.
Despite last night’s results, I still think UNC is the league’s best team and Miami is the league’s most underrated team, while Duke and FSU are the ACC’s most overrated teams. Duke’s great only if the 3s are falling; FSU can’t shoot outside the paint. The only ACC team that I expect in the FF is Louisville unless UNC gets an easy road.
A major help to the ACC’s large representation in this season’s NCAAT will be the B1G. That league is a mess, and the ACC should get more teams in than the B1G and the SEC combined.
Bill Walton’s “Conference of Champions” to me is the strongest league at the top, with 3 teams having a legit shot at the FF. The Big XII has the nation’s best team in KU plus 2 other teams that could end up in Phoenix as well. Not so anyone else.
There is simply way too much talk about how great the ACC is this season. I think Louisville, UNC and UVA will be Sweet, but it’ll quickly go sour shortly after that for Swofford’s new and improved ACC.
This has been great reading so far. The best two lines came from the article about the Indiana-NC State coaching carousels (Debbie You is a divisive AD) and from McCallum, about Mickey McCarthy of the N&O.
Calling You “divisive” was sugar-coating it. McCarthy was far worse (based on personal inside information) than anything I read on here from McCallum or anyone else, but it was a good start nevertheless. As for the N&O, it is far worse now than it ever was under Claude Sitton. A good “for example” is in today’s edition, which gives the bulk of its Daytona 500 coverage to Mexican-born Daniel Suarez, who is “finding his place in racing and President Trump’s America”. This paper is nothing but leftist commentary; they can’t even produce a Major League baseball boxscore anymore, let alone any coverage of last night’s games that end before dark.
Another good topic was the possibility that Sean Miller is unhappy at U of A. He is reportedly not a fan of temporary ADs. That would seem to rule us out, since Yow may as well be temporary, with retirement (hopefully) near.
As for the next coach, there were several good names mentioned, but Chris Holtmann is still my choice.
Haven’t seen Chris Holtmann’s name come up on here. He’s definitely as good as Miller, maybe better. Recruits strong, emphasizes defense, an up-and-comer, and has coached in NC before. His team beat Villanova last night for the 2nd time this season, on the road. What’s not to like here?
I would hate to face Butler in the NCAAT next months. The Bulldogs are going to be one tough out!
So he goes but he stays.
Ought to give our fans something to boo about at the ND and UVA games.
But what IF this team makes the NIT? It just looks stupid to me to keep someone on who’s been fired.
But then, this is NC State.
What’s so sad about all this is that basketball has always been the Wolfpack’s signature sport.
Right now, there are only three basketball programs in the ACC whose futures seem to look worse than NCSU’s: Clemson, WF and BC. The Tigers have a long history of b-ball futility, but with football they probably couldn’t care less what happens in Littlejohn. Wake doesn’t spend the big bucks we spend on sports, and although they currently have a likeable big-name HC who seems to recruit well, he appears to me to be lost in critical game situations. BC even being in the ACC in the first place is a huge mistake, but hey, they beat us in BOTH football and basketball this season.
Since the 1980s, we have upgraded the fuh-cilities and have spent big-time, and what do we have to show? Worse yet, what will we end up with if Mark Gottfried is not our HC next season?
It does appear that Gottfried will be gone next season, but the REAL problems, mainly the school administrators, will hang around and will continue to perpetuate the mediocrity that has become NC State athletics for the past 30 years. THEY will decide who’ll likely be the next 5 or 6-year experiment.
Lifetime Rights for NC State football and basketball have given these donors, and I’m one, a perpetual seat to witness an ongoing soap opera of futility.
Excuse me for complaining, but I’m damned tired of this mess. The ongoing Gottfried uncertainty just shows how inept our administrators are in letting this thing continue to fester.
Look at the good side of this- we’ve all but locked up a Tuesday game in the ACCT, so this should help offset the cost of going to NYC for any long period of time.
We’ve also all but played our way out of the ACC-B1G Challenge next season. Since it would have been a home game, maybe the replacement game could be against BC, who certainly won’t be playing in the Challenge either.
Speaking of BC, did anyone catch their game against Pitt tonight? At least the Eagles were competitive.
I’m really curious as to what it will take to get AD Yow to crawl out from under her rock and publicly say something, anything, about what’s happening to the Wolfpack men’s basketball program. I see four possible scenarios:
1- She saw her shadow on February 2 and won’t come out for 6 weeks.
2- She’ll give the coach a vote of confidence, even at 3-15 in the ACC.
3- She’ll say that we’re making progress and will stay the course.
4- Absolutely NOTHING will happen.My money’s on #4.
Interesting that total revenue exceeds total expenses by about $7,000,000. Is this sustainable given the current direction football and men’s basketball are headed? I think not.
Firing Mark Gottfried will do little more than bring on another coach who will likely be somewhere between mediocre and awful, just like our current football coach. Do we want to be bad until 2020 or 2025, or beyond? No sane Wolfpack fan should want the current AD hiring another football or men’s basketball coach, not after the results we’ve had the past several seasons.
I have had enough of Debbie Yow, not to mention the seemingly never-ending sub-.500 ACC seasons on her watch. I do plan to let the WPC know this when my renewal comes up at the end of this month. If NCSU administrators feel the need to stay this disastrous course, which they apparently do, then they’ll do it with $360 less next year. It’s nowhere near $7 million, but it’s a start.
As long as the big bucks keep rolling in, nothing short of an LTR walkout will get the attention of the NCSU elites who seem to know (and care) as little about winning as I care about paying to be a part of it any longer.
Everyone just needs to take a deep breath and simply calm down.
Things should be back to normal by late Sunday afternoon.
Basketball with this talent needs to be Elite 8 or time to cut bait?
Hell, we’re not in even the Elite 8 in the ACC anymore!
Yow isn’t going to do ANYTHING but hang around long enough to pad her retirement. She’s making way too much money to quit now. Why should she? We haven’t even reached the point yet of either Doeren or Gott having to have a confidence statement from the AD, not that I’m aware of, so they aren’t likely leaving anytime soon. So the real question as to when things will EVER get better here is when will Yow leave?
Apparently when she gets ready to go, and I see no signs whatsoever that she’s any closer to being ready than Wolfpack football and basketball are any closer to marked improvement.
We have just witnessed the latest version of our own horror flick, Area 51.
Like I said in an earlier post, I would have yanked the first team at the half, and I was serious. It’s apparent that we have too many players on this squad who aren’t serious about anything but showing off their talent to the NBA. I say good luck to them, and if they gotta go, go now!
I remember the 1968 ACCT title game in which Carolina beat State, 87-50. Even though this one was a regular-season game, it was worse. We’ve come almost 50 years since then, and this is the best we can do? Losing to UNC by 51 points on national tv? Wolfpack men’s basketball has no resemblance to a competitive team sport anymore.
I’ll say it again like I’ve said it before- NCSU needs a complete housecleaning in its athletic department, starting with the AD on down thru the major men’s sports. From the coaches we have to the kinds of players they’re recruiting, it’s not working. How much more embarrassment will it take to overshadow the big bucks?
If the Ivory Tower Administrators at NCSU think that this continued direction is going to work, that they can re-invent the wheel, then they need replacing as well. If this game doesn’t prove that NC State athletics has become a laughingstock, nothing will. Men’s basketball, to most NC State fans, has been our signature sport. Was.
It’s going to take a lot at this point to convince me to send in my annual WPC dues by March 1. After 20 consecutive years of financial support to this program, plus paying for LTR seats, I honestly believe that my annual $360 pledge would be better off tossed from the Raleigh Beltline pedestrian bridge rather than going to a program that truly doesn’t seem to care anymore about excellence.
Lifetime Rights to what? Misery?
This thread should be titled STATE Sucks, not Carolina Sucks.
Men’s basketball at NC State can no longer be considered a team sport. If we had a REAL coach, he’d sit everyone who’s played so far and take the bench players and give ’em the entire second half.
They couldn’t possibly do any worse.
7-Eleven is what we’ll probably get from the Pack this season in the ACC. They’ll likely play as bad tomorrow night as they played good Wednesday night against VT.
But don’t worry about Gottfried. The AD has his back, unconditionally. Hell, if Doeren stays on, Pack basketball will remain the same too, even if they play again on opening night of the ACCT.
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
