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I was there. I don’t know if it was as ugly as last year’s loss to William & Mary, but it sure wasn’t pretty.
I don’t know yet which direction this program’s headed, but games like this aren’t much to build on. I just don’t understand why, with a 20,000-seat arena, membership in America’s premiere college basketball conference, and a storied basketball history, why we can’t have a better non-conference schedule, especially at home. EVERY season, our OOC home schedule stinks. You simply can’t build a successful program at this level with cupcakes.
This game was so important to today’s Greensboro News & Record that it was on page SIX of their sports section.
Beating us isn’t a big deal anymore, not that it has for some time now. It’s what’s expected.
The best of the gone and probably forgotten would include Faircloth’s (seafood) at Wrightsville Beach, which was mentioned earlier. It was an old barn-like building sitting next to the draw bridge over the Intercoastal Waterway. Soft drinks in bottles and lots of fish! Sauls Barbecue (not to be confused with Bob Sauls Barbecue on the 2-lane South Saunders Street going into Raleigh) was good stuff- was located on 15-A south of Raleigh, now 401 at 1010, or McCuller’s Crossroads. There was a neat little hamburger drive-in on Downtown (now Capital) Boulevard north of downtown Raleigh, called Bell’s. It was almost across the road from the Piggy Park Drive-In, where the Kix DJs did their nightly thing. Also, there was a great diner on Martin Street in downtown Raleigh, which was called the Capital (Capitol?) Restaurant. It was in a railroad car and they piled on the food at cheap prices. And if you needed something to do on Sunday night, you could play Putt-Putt at the corner of Western Blvd and Avent Ferry Road, where Mission Valley is now.
As for beef, Char-Grill is still to me the best hamburger around, although it would be perfect if you could get Five Guys fries with it. And steak- does anyone remember the Old Pro’s Table in (North) Myrtle Beach? Never had a better steak anywhere.
South Carolina, Michigan, Mississippi State, Louisville, Texas A&M, and NC State were the only Power 5 Conference teams to end up 8-4. Who got the worst bowl deal? Consider the following:
South Carolina and Michigan, both below NCSU in the final ranking, ended up in a New Year’s Day bowl, the Outback in Tampa. Many Wolfpack fans could have and would have made this trip.
Mississippi State and Louisville ended up in the TaxSlayer (Gator) Bowl in Jacksonville. I don’t understand why State, who beat the Cards, didn’t get this one. Even more Wolfpack fans would have made this trip than one to Tampa.
Texas A&M ends up not in Texas but in North Carolina, and conversely NC State ends up not just in Texas, but two time zones away. For those who can’t afford to fly, El Paso would be a hard 2-day drive each way. Why does Wake Forest, a team we finished ahead of in the ACC, and a team we’d at least triple in ticket sales, get to go to Charlotte and we have to go 2,000 miles to the Sun Bowl?
I’m just another season ticket holder who has gone to our bowls in Charlotte and in Florida, but this one is out of reach for me, and it just seems that if our season was as good as many said it was, why couldn’t we have gotten a bowl game somewhere in the Eastern half of the United States?
This one is even worse than Shreveport in my opinion, although many FSU fans might disagree with that.
The upside to this is that AD Yow won’t have to make another HC hire in football, at least not for now. The team and fans can now focus on the upcoming bowl game and recruiting.
The downside to this is that we’ve just signed on a coach for 5 more seasons who has, in his first 5 seasons, gone 15-25 in ACC play. There will be significant personnel losses for next season, and the media has stated that next season will likely be a “down” season.
If a coach can get a 5-year extension with the above numbers, he’d be a fool to go somewhere else where he’d be expected to win right away or move on, especially when the money was about the same. Low expectations has become the modern “State” of Wolfpack football. It doesn’t appear likely to change anytime soon, not with the people we have in charge of the athletic program right now.
Here we are on the Monday following a Clemson football game, and still the Wolfpack has beaten the Tigers but one time since the 2003 season, which is the same year the Pack won the Gator Bowl. That’s 13 losses in the last 14 games.
Once again, Wolfpack coaches and fans are moaning about the officiating.
Once again, a big game well within our grasp slips away in the twilight.
Once again, poor team defense is primarily to blame.
Once again, there are nearly as many yellow flags flying at C-F as there are red NCSU flags flying from fans’ vehicles in the parking lot. Amato WAS on the sidelines Saturday.
Once again, there will be no ACC championship since 1979, unless the worst Florida State team I’ve ever seen somehow wins in Death Valley next weekend. Even if the Noles were to pull it off, the Wolfpack would have to win its next 4 games in order to party like it’s 1979.
Since our next opponent, Boston College, entered the league in 2005, we are 4-8 against them and have won on their field only once in six tries. The home loss against them last season was inexcusable.
Since 2005, we have won at Wake Forest only once in six tries.
Both BC and WF are playing much better than the two teams everyone thought we’d struggle against, FSU and Louisville.
I don’t even want to talk about the possibilities of facing another awful UNC team that will likely have a lame duck coach leading them. At least we don’t have to close out against ECU this time.
But no matter what happens from here out, two things are almost certain. We’re going to a bowl, and AD Yow will give Doeren a contract extension. Athletic Directors are the real Santa Clauses of college sports; it doesn’t matter if you’ve been bad or good, they’ll fill those stockings, for goodness sakes! Look at David Beaty, who took Kansas from 0-12 in 2015 to 2-10 last season and was rewarded with a contract extension by the Jayhawk AD. Anyone who thinks we’re bad should watch KU football.
A 9-3 record might seem disappointing right now, but it’ll likely get us a decent bowl, but these next three weeks will be more of a challenge than most anyone thought before the season began.
Big stages and road games haven’t been friendly to this program in many a season.
But- 2017 is nothing like a typical season so far. Everybody except Alabama and Penn State seems to be taking it on the chin. In the ACC, FSU will not win a home game before November and will enter that month with an overall losing record. Syracuse beat Clemson and BC has won two in a row and on the road, over Louisville and a 5-1 UVA team. UNC is in the toilet, and here we are at 6-1. WTF is going on?
I’d very much like our chances this weekend if the ND game was in Carter, Finley and Matthew, not in South Bend. Most of us thought that after the November 4 Clemson game, the schedule would be much easier. The past two weeks’ ACC results are now indicating that won’t be the case. And I certainly hope the regular season finale isn’t a replay of the 23-9 humiliation at the hands of UNC and a lame duck coach.
I just hope that no matter what happens Saturday afternoon, that this team realizes this game is not an ACC contest. It’s the 5 games afterward that will count toward what should mean the most- an ACC championship. I really don’t know what to make of this team yet. Our QB isn’t a Gabriel, Rivers or Wilson, or even a Buckey and Evans, but he’s been pretty good so far this season. So has our overall offense, I think. I don’t keep up with stats like many on here do, but judging from the points we’re giving up, I don’t think this team’s defense is anywhere near White Shoes territory. And I think that our big problem, besides the multitudes in the stands who’ll be screaming against us, will be stopping the Irish offense. I don’t think this team can afford to get behind in that environment. And if they do, they can’t afford to lose their cool, or the score could look like last night’s USC game.
The last time this program played on a really big stage was in 2003 in Columbus, a game we’d all like to forget, much like the homecoming game later that same season. Opportunities like that don’t come along often, especially for Wolfpack football, but two of them are going to come knocking the next two Saturdays.
Doeren getting feelers from other schools? Based on what? He has won barely half his ACC games so far, and until the last few weeks, many felt he was on the hot seat. Yes, he beat FSU and Louisville, but both these schools are obviously not what most thought they were before the season began.
Given her track record on hires, I’m not surprised at Yow wanting to give Doeren an extension. But making it public is absolutely witless on the school’s part. State could go to Pittsburgh Saturday and get the crap beat out of them, plus they have road games at Wake and BC, two schools that have repeatedly hurt this program’s ability to claim that they’re on the rise. Half the season remains, and 4 of those 6 contests are on the road.
I haven’t seen any comments on DD’s overall record at NCSU reaching .500 with this win.
I doubt that DD condemned any players or fans last Saturday afternoon. Next Saturday afternoon? The smiles will be gone when reality once again lands on top of this program with a resounding THUD.
To me, the best comment on here so far is pakfanistan’s “I am disappointed by this outcome. And most disappointed because it did not surprise me.”
Wolfpack football continues to be mired in mediocrity. It’s been that way since Dick Sheridan left, except during the Philip Rivers and Russell Wilson seasons. There simply haven’t been any quality HC hires since then, and State’s football successes have been mainly what those two quarterbacks could accomplish. I’ve seen no fundamentally sound teams, little discipline, and little in the way of really good team defense. There have been some pretty good spare parts, but nothing ever seems to resemble a fine-tuned machine, even a small one.
I fully expect that AD Yow is going to remain here for some time (as the pay is too good to quit), and if she has to fire Coach Doeren in November, things will only get worse before they get even worse. God help this program if she gets to hire another football HC.
For that reason alone, I truly hope Coach Doeren succeeds here this season.
The red flag for me is that all 5 of these players are (were) freshmen. You just got here, you haven’t played a single down of college football yet. You’re trying to make a good impression. School just started. Shouldn’t you be in the dorm studying, or dozens of other places, instead of being at an on-campus party where you had to know there was alcohol and marijuana? And if you didn’t know that, you probably aren’t smart enough to play football at this level in the first place.
In this PC world of “He said, she said”, what she said will probably carry more weight. These players may be considered by school administrators, and not necessarily by the coaching staff, to be guilty until proven innocent.
It’s shaping up to be an interesting season, and it hasn’t even started yet.
Just bought Steele’s book today. Lots of interesting stats. In the past 5 seasons, the Pack went 7-6 3 times, plus 3-8 and 8-5. ACC record for those seasons (2012-2016) was 4-4, 0-8, 3-5, 3-5 and 3-5 for 13-27. OOC Power 5 record was 0-1 and 1-2 in bowls. BC and UNC records were 2-3. ECU record was 0-2.
Will a 4-4 ACC mark keep Doeren here another season? I honestly don’t know.
I do know, however, that his seat will be much hotter if South Carolina wins the Charlotte game. Everything you need to know about this Wolfpack team will likely be revealed in Charlotte on September 2.
Rick Pitino’s sexual encounters in a restaurant are obviously more important to the NCAA than academic fraud in Chapel Hill.
Holtman, a defensive-minded mid-major coach with NC ties, was the best candidate out there back when we were “looking” for a new men’s basketball coach. Ohio State, even with marginal talent, will be a tough out in the B1G for years to come.
When does bass fishing season start?
Everything you need to know about this upcoming football season will likely be revealed in Charlotte in early September.
