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The only thing you need to know about the upcoming ACCT’s new 15-team format is GENERAL ADMISSION seating for Wednesday and Thursday. This is a clear admission that ACC officials see a continued decline in fan interest and will be desperate to sell tickets. Adding an extra day to the tourney will only make things worse, and will hasten the tourney’s move northward.
Walk-up ticket sales in NYC would certainly surpass the numbers in Greensboro, especially with the continuing decline of nearby Wake Forest and NC State. Again this season, as has been the case nearly every season for the past two decades, neither of these teams has a snowball’s chance of going to the post-season, so there goes a large chunk of local fan interest. As much as Duke and UNC have carried the ACC in the past two decades, I don’t think they can do it alone anymore with the new teams and the lure of the NYC dollar. Lord knows I hate NYC and the new ACC/Big East, but the reality is that teams like Wake and State are being swallowed up by this new league.
For next year’s ACCT, I’d vote to get rid of the opening round altogether, and move the ACC Championship back to Saturday night, which would give all the NCAAT-bound ACC teams an important extra day’s rest. This expanded league is enough of a grind as it is, and a longer ACCT will only make it tougher in March.
I just don’t see a way that State can make the NCAAT if they lose the game tonight, except win the rest of their games plus 3 or 4 more in the ACCT.
The Central home loss won’t ever completely go away. The Missouri home loss was similar to the Pitt loss, and our one chance to redeem ourselves after the home blowout vs UVA and the Triangle road debacles was thrown away in Syracuse. The remaining schedule’s “quality wins” list offers just UNC, who has been the ACC’s “see saw” team so far this season.
It wasn’t just that the Wolfpack lost to the ACC teams that matter (the top 5), but it was HOW we lost to them.
I know I was pretty hard on Turner, but to me he is nowhere near the outside threat that Scott Wood was, plus Wood was nearly automatic at the line. If Turner isn’t hitting his 3-ball, he will keep on firing them up without regard to where he is or where everybody else is. I just don’t think he’s a team player. State badly needs a consistent outside shooter, and right now, he still hasn’t stepped forward.
It’s getting late. It’s time for him to step up, NOW.
Right now, the ACC has 5 teams bound for the NCAAT. They will not get more than 6 teams in.
This game will probably determine who the 6th team COULD be. Barring an ACCT run, the loser of this one will at best be playing for a top 4 seed in the NIT.
State is the better team. But I’ve seen this scenario too many times before. I wish we still HAD a Scott Wood. Turner is NOT a Scott Wood, no matter how bad we want him to be.
I didn’t see a flagrant foul, but I did see an INTENTIONAL foul. When a player is on a breakaway to the basket and a trailing defender, who is not in position to block his path, reaches in and commits a foul, it simply HAS to be considered by the refs to be an intentional foul.
What gets me about where the college game is going is that the game can be stopped for 5 minutes trying to determine if one or two-tenths of a second should be put back on the clock, but a play like this gets no scrutiny whatsoever. Even the most biased “Homer” in the Dome who saw this play would have to admit that State got rooked. I think the correct call would have been the basket AND a foul, resulting in a possible 3-point play and Syracuse ball if the free throw had been made.
As a result, we have gone from being on the right side of the NCAAT bubble to being on the wrong side of the NCAAT bubble if we lose tomorrow night. I really don’t see any scenario that gets us into the NCAAT if we lose at Clemson, except to win out and make it to Sunday in Greensboro.
Well, UVA just helped the Pack’s NCAAT cause at Clemson.
But sooner or later, State is going to have to quit depending on everybody else for help and help themselves.
That opportunity presents itself in spades tonight at the Carrier Dome.
To beat State, hold Warren under 20 points and it’s all but guaranteed.
I like the potential for many of our young players, but we’re still a one-man team. That won’t get us to the NCAAT.
As for the NIT, I got a belly full of that during the HWSNBN years, when we actually made it that far. I’m with PapaWolf on this one.
Who needs a Duke-UNC game after watching the ending of the Syracuse-Pitt game?
That one may top the Syracuse-Duke ending.
Local tv and ESPN are both carrying this game. The only way it would be called off at this point would be if Dickie V couldn’t get there.
Re roads: it took me almost an hour and a half to go from Jones Franklin Road at Western Boulevard to Jones Franklin at Tryon Road around 2pm. Half the problem was the stoplight at the Sumter Square entrance.
My only concern right now about this team is that the big men seem to be going in the wrong direction after doing so well earlier in the season. They were a disaster vs UNC, and weren’t much better this afternoon.
But it’s a win for a team hoping to be no worse than number 9 by season’s end. I guess I could live with that.
ACC vs SEC? LOL.
BC vs ‘Bama? LOL again!
How about ACC vs SOCON? That would give the ACC a much better chance, especially since App State and Ga Southern have moved to Sun Belt Conf.
Yes, PackFamily, I did mean CBS, but what I really meant is that tv has taken over the direction that the NCAAs have gone.
But I still maintain that ESPN is responsible for WF, VT and Clemson being left out of the ACC-Big Ten Challenge this season, and were replaced by 3 teams that had at that time never played an ACC game (and two of them got home games on top of that). That was patently wrong. I understand television wanting good games, but the league should have told ESPN that the new teams would have to compete for one season before being slotted into this event. You can bet that never in a hundred years would UNC (or Duke) have been left out the way the Deacs, Hokies and Tigers were. And despite being an NCAAT team last year, our opponent was the B1G’s worst program.
You can also look at ESPN’s Big Monday and see who gets all the games (Blues). Count ’em.
And it is beyond obvious that ESPN wants Syracuse to be Duke’s “new” rival, which will more than likely limit the frequency of seasons in which we get to play Syracuse (and maybe even Duke too) twice. Who is naive enough to believe that next season, we’ll be playing both Syracuse and Louisville at home while Duke and UNC won’t?
The bigger this league gets, the smaller schools like the Wolfpack, Wake Forest and Boston College will become to our own league officials. When the games that matter are shown, these 3 teams will seldom be included, especially if they’re not having a “top 20” season.
Division One sports has become the land of the Big Dogs, and not in just revenue sports. Look no farther from here than Buies Creek, and what happened to Campbell last season when the NCAA baseball committee made its NCAAT selections.
UNC undecided?
No way! They’re IN. Do you think ESPN would allow them to sit out an NCAAT? They’ll manufacture a dozen excuses to include the Heels, although I think they’ve earned it at this point.
Barring a total collapse, I think the “ins” and “outs” are pretty well determined in the minds of those who matter. The ACC will likely send Syracuse, Duke, UVA, Pitt and UNC to the NCAAT.
Concerning the rest of the ACC, FSU, Clemson, WF, Maryland and the Wolfpack have much work to do. It’s likely already over for VT, BC, GT and Miami. The Seminoles need to beat Maryland Saturday; if they do, they have an excellent chance to Dance considering that they have both UNC and Syracuse at home in addition to an otherwise relatively easy late-season finish. Other than FSU, I don’t see any other ACC team making a late-season run for the NCAAT. Clemson may be close, but where’s the necessary ESPN storyline that would get them in? Beating Duke early will be long forgotten next month. And for us, the 95-60 loss to Duke won’t be forgotten by that committee.
So much for the “greatest conference ever”.
At 14-8 and with 9 games remaining, we will likely finish above .500 overall. But .500 in the ACC won’t likely happen since we’re now 4-5 and will probably lose more than we’ll win between now and March. And even if we do well from now on, few if any of the remaining games are against anyone who could raise our stature in the eyes of the NCAA Selection Committee. I think we’re at best an NIT bubble team.
3 of our remaining games could doom us- the road game at VT or the home games vs Wake and BC. Lose two of those three, and the only way this team could end up in the NCAAT is a run to ACCT Sunday.
I still think we’ll be playing on ACCT Wednesday, and although that might buy us at least 1 more ACCT game, it won’t be against anyone who matters, like UVA, Syracuse and Duke. I don’t think Syracuse will beat us by 30 points, but they have the ability to make us look even worse than we did against the Cavs and Devils.
For those of you who love the new, expanded ACC, drink it up. Along with Wake Forest and Boston College, we are among the 3 biggest losers in this league. We will, thanks to ESPN, never get the opportunities to play in any important ACC games, including the ACC-B1G Challenge, and the national perception will grow that NC State has become an even smaller fish in a growing pond.
It just sucks being an NC State fan, period.
I think Wake should be ahead of State at this point, since they beat State and have a more impressive resume. However, there is no way I think Wake is better than State, not as long as the Deacons have their current coach.
I still think the ACC will send 6 teams to the NCAAT- Syracuse and Duke with very high seeds, UVA and Pitt with possibly a top 4 seed, plus UNC with an 8th or 9th seed, and FSU also in that range.
State has a very difficult stretch coming up. The last thing they need Saturday is a lopsided loss, but any loss in Chapel Hill is a bad one. The Pack has all but won enough games to make it to the NIT, but they need more than 2 or 3 wins to finish out the regular season.
But after last night, I’d be surprised to see this team do a dive. They should avoid the Wednesday ACCT muddle if Warren continues to lead and if Lewis, Lee and Washington continue to improve.
It’s amazing how Notre Dame can F up this conference in football, even when they’re not a football member.
The only way Notre Dame can “fix things” is come aboard as a full league member, or just go away. I say throw ’em out, because they are NEVER going to join this conference as long as they can keep their cake and eat it too.
The ACC should be more concerned about who gets to play who each season rather than how many league games we play. Instead of having to play Boston College and Syracuse each season, among others, State should be playing Duke, UVA, VT and Miami much more than once or twice every ten years.
To me, and to any fan who values long-standing and sensible geographic rivalries, this is THE problem in the ACC. Look at the latest pre-season baseball poll; UVA is #1 and State won’t even get to play ’em, along with only one game vs UNC.
The thing that’s “bad” about this team is the fact that we’re a long way from being good and are blowing a great opportunity to rise above many if not most of the other ACC teams.
Right now, Virginia Tech is THE bad team in the ACC, but Boston College and Wake Forest will eventually join them. Notre Dame and Clemson are also likely candidates for Wednesday at the ACCT, and that 6th team may be us.
The NIT should not be this team’s goal. No Tobacco Road ACC team’s goal should ever be the NIT. That’s like saying that our goal should be simply a bowl, which requires only a 6-6 record.
If we’re going to play teams from the Sun Belt, then play App State instead of Georgia Southern.
If we’re going to play teams from Virginia, then play Virginia or Virginia Tech instead of Old Dominion.
If we’re going to play teams from Florida, then play Miami or Florida instead of South Florida.
And for goodness sakes, let’s make sure we play Syracuse and Boston College ten times as often as we play Duke.
I don’t think we should concern ourselves with the so-called mess in the middle.
We’re basically beneath that.
The one bad sign for tonight’s contest is that we’re playing a home ACC game.
And for those who think we’ve seen the last of the Terps, think again. The bottom-feeders in the ACC and B1G usually get paired against each other in the annual ACC-Big Ten Challenge. ESPN will see to that.
I’m currently reading the new book, Wooden, and didn’t realize that it took 14 seasons at UCLA before John Wooden even won an NCAA tournament game. But during that time, Wooden had a plan, and was laying the groundwork for better things to come. His Pyramid of Success would probably be too much for the typical Wolfpack player of late to comprehend, but the short of it was that Coach Wooden had a plan, and he was determined to get his players, and himself, to perform to the best of their abilities. In other words, Wooden didn’t worry about the opposition, just his own players.
Right now, NC State basketball is the antithesis of what Coach Wooden built at UCLA. Our program continues to put on national display, thanks mainly to being associated with the ACC, players who look like they just came in off the street, with no fundamental skills whatsoever. They don’t play defense, they don’t carry themselves with confidence, and they don’t seem to care. Occasionally they’ll look good against other teams whose players also just throw it up and run from one end to the other, but when they run into well-coached teams like UVA and Duke, the wheels come off. Today, a national CBS audience saw our program embarrass itself yet again, outdoing the 31-point home debacle vs the Cavaliers just 7 days ago.
If the coaching staff were to take this coming Monday night off, the result would be no worse than it’s been so far. It might even be better.
Debbie Yow certainly had good intentions in making this coaching hire, and I’m sure UCLA may have been in the back of her mind, but the mess we’ve got in Raleigh isn’t even remotely connected to the kind of basketball that made the Bruins famous. And I don’t think it’s going to be.
Wolfpack basketball has used up every plan from Plan A to Plan 9 From Outer Space; none have worked. I suggest that we quit recruiting NBA wannabees and start looking for players who embrace the team concept of college basketball.
