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My point was that if you as much as IMPLY something that could be stretched into a racist statement, you’re toast in this PC day and age. Lord knows I’m not taking up for Hess here; he’s an insecure little turd who never should have been given the NCAA stage with a whistle in his mouth.
But my point is that I’m really tired of the double standard we have in this day and age, and I do think a lot of people will agree with me on this one.
Playing the race card these days will get you worse punishment than just about anything else you can do, including physical violence in some cases.
Good riddance in this case, however.
Someone wondering why any ACC fans wouldn’t pull for FSU tonight?
Their CLASSLESS exit from the field pretty much puts an exclamation point on that topic!
Guess they were in a hurry to see their probation officer.
Good riddance!
ACC football changed in 1991, and not for the good of the league. When the local teams, as well as Clemson and Tech won bowl games, it was seen as benefiting the conference. But Florida State football is primarily about Florida State, not the ACC. Kudos to Paul Johnson for putting in a plug for his league, something I doubt Jimbo Fisher would ever do. With Seminole Nation, the ACC revolves around them, or at least SHOULD.
The Criminoles may be the best team in college football. I happen to think not, but until somebody beats them on the field, it’ll be hard to argue against them.
But one thing I can argue, and that’s the likelihood that just about everybody outside of Tallahassee is hoping Oregon will not only win today, but will run it up. And while they’re at it, might even put that jerk at QB out of the college game for good.
Lack of consistent team defense, physical toughness, and lack of a take-charge floor leader are our big problems right now.
But as bad as things may look right now, we’ve got a long way yet to fall before we become a football school.
God help us if we do.
That one was a road game. The Herb Home Games at the RBC that I remember most were the Saturday afternoon late-game meltdown vs Syracuse, the 2OT loss to BC, the 10th-season 95-73 blowout vs UNC, the Clemson loss, the Saturday night UVA loss, and the Princeton NIT loss at Reynolds.
Then there were the road losses, including the Granddaddy of them all, the “Damon Thornton” loss at Maryland, not to mention the ACCT loss vs Duke when we blew a 15-point lead with 9 minutes to go. Just going to the game today and knowing Sendek won’t be on the sidelines will be heartwarming.
I think we’ll win this one because the team knows by now how important these OOC games are, especially the ones in late December. If only they can get “up” for the oncoming avalanche of ACC games in January and February.
But I agree with the time complaints. This one should have been played tomorrow at 4pm. I’m beginning to believe that if television told us to start it at midnight tonight, we’d comply. I’ll be there, and I predict a Pack victory.
I think the most important thing State can do to get in the Dance is to achieve at least a .500 ACC record. Six games vs Duke, UNC and UVA plus Louisville and Syracuse will be difficult. But this tough schedule will also give the Pack plenty of chances to get to or above .500 in the league.
As far as Syracuse is concerned, it’s unlikely CBS and the NCAA would exclude the Orange if they were a bubble team. The importance of star power for tv was pretty clear to me in Ohio State’s selection as the last one in on football selection Sunday.
A good reason for declining college attendance is the killing off of longstanding rivalry games which have been replaced by new league opponents who bring little excitement into faraway stadiums. The best examples are Syracuse, Boston College and Pittsburgh, who have replaced Big Four rivals, sometimes for nearly a decade. I couldn’t possibly care any less to pay good money to see these teams come to CF every other season, while Duke and Georgia Tech seldom visit, plus the IDIOT ACC divisions won’t allow us to ever develop a rivalry with Miami or Virginia Tech. Wasn’t that the whole point of league expansion in the first place? Tech-State would be a HUGE rivalry, but it won’t happen.
Look at the OOC games being scheduled. We need to stop playing the likes of Richmond, Old Dominion, Georgia Southern and South Florida. We need one of those every season, yes, but not FOUR! State scheduled Central Michigan and South Alabama THREE TIMES EACH during a period when, as best I can remember, Georgia Tech, Duke and UVA (as well as VT) failed to even show up on our schedule. Most all of the OOC home games the Wolfpack has scheduled in the past decade or more have been worthless in terms of program development and have generated little if any fan excitement. I’ve been to them all; I know.
Television is the other major reason attendance is in decline. Who wants to pay to watch us play Syracuse, BC, Pittsburgh or even Wake Forest at noon on a hot day when they can sit home and watch it in HD? I’ve been going to State home games for the past 20 seasons, but not next season. I’ve had it with opponents I care little to see us play Television, especially the ACC Network, has turned the games into 4-hour ordeals, especially in September, which seems to breed noon games. I couldn’t imagine sitting on the East side of the stadium and enduring the heat.
Another thing that has driven me away is the lack of October games, thanks to the State Fair, which for some reason has convinced officials not to bring a football crowd in during one of the Fair’s two weekends. Why not? It’s a business opportunity lost when you consider that most of those fans would attend the fair on game day. This October drought of home games has resulted in an overabundance of early September home games, plus way too many games in late November, when Thanksgiving wreaks havoc with late November home games. October is the best month of the year to attend a game, and it seems we now have only one home game that month. We always played UNC during October, and I think it’s stupid to play them during the coldest time of year, when the students are away from campus.
In short, the ACC needs a realignment so that the Big Four teams can again meet each other every season on the gridiron. Fans want to see us play these games. The State-Carolina game needs to be put back in its longstanding mid-October spot on the schedule, and school administrators need to take a good look at OOC games, removing many of the no-interest games on the schedule. I’d rather see State play 6 home games each season if it would result in a quality road game vs an OOC (i.e power five) opponent rather than yet another obscure small school we don’t want to buy tickets for. If we MUST play more than one, how about App State instead of Directional Louisiana or Directional Michigan?
Last but not least, Wolfpack officials need to learn how to say NO to television when asked to start football games around noon in the first half of September. This should apply ESPECIALLY to the two-bit ACC Network, which seems to do everything possible to drag out a game. I don’t like these games a bit more than the ACC Network’s 9pm weeknight basketball starts, either. Television may help pay the bills, but the fans pay much more, and the way prices continue to increase, schools like State who aren’t winning cannot afford to drive away fans.
We can reflect on this game for another week, but despite what some say, including today’s News & Observer, which headlined that this was a “quality loss”, this was a bad loss.
This was ACC at home vs SOCON, and it wasn’t Clemson-level ACC basketball or Davidson-level SOCON basketball. This was a bad loss and that’s that. I think State will be a much-improved team in February and March, so this one should be laid to rest, especially if the Pack wins tomorrow night and takes care of Cincinnati later this month.
It wasn’t a terrible loss, but like Rick said, it was a BAD loss. State has a strong-enough schedule to overcome this one, but losses to Tennessee and Cincinnati would make the Dance invitation a tough one for the Pack.
As for Hess, he ought to be banned from the ACC and maybe college basketball, period. I have a son who referees games in the ACC and Big Ten (not basketball), so I’m loathe to criticize an official, but this guy needs to go somewhere else. Like the NBA.
State didn’t score a plus with the opponent, as anytime you play a team outside the power five, unless maybe it’s Boise State, you won’t elevate your program much by winning, but if you lose, you’ll be seen as being on the mid-major level. Thank John Swofford for the Notre Dame “addition” that cost the ACC a tier one spot.
But the location is a plus in my opinion. I know how bad traveling to Florida is around Christmas, but you can’t beat the St. Petersburg location. St. Pete and the area around it (excluding Tampa) is pretty nice. I spent a week at Holmes Beach last month, and it’s only 30 minutes south of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge. You won’t find a better place down there for R&R than Anna Maria Island; they have spacious sandy beaches without the congestion of Myrtle Beach.
If you’re driving down, I highly advise taking I-295 around Jax to I-10 west, and take it all the way to I-75; they’re working on 301 between I-10 and Ocala, and you’ll make better time on the longer interstate route to Tampa instead of the 301 shortcut. The main thing is to avoid I-4 and Orlando.
Good luck to the Pack.
Since I can’t seem to adjust my last post, let me say that my comment about ESPN/ABC making sure the coach’s voice was heard above all others was meant for Urban Meyer, not Art Briles.
Politics as usual. There is obviously power within the power conferences. Coach Briles’ analysis this afternoon was spot-on. ESPN/ABC certainly made sure that his voice was heard above all others.
Although the selection committee may have gotten the right four teams (I don’t think so), we are more confused than ever as to how they got there. TCU could have beaten ISU a lot worse than they did, but it probably wouldn’t have mattered once the Urban One spoke last night.
We knew that running up the scores would be a commonplace thing once a team knew that they might move up in the rankings if they looked impressive enough. OSU had last night’s game well in hand, yet kept on throwing bomb passes when all they needed to do was run out the clock with a huge lead. Would 35-0 have been enough?
An 8-team playoff is the broad consensus of just about everyone you talk to. Had this been the BCS, we’d be left with FSU vs ‘Bama, with Oregon being this year’s Auburn. Instead, we have TWO Auburns so to speak, and unfortunately they both won a conference (not dodging a single league opponent) which is clearly stronger than both the ACC and B1G.
But as long as ESPN is in control of the NCAA’s bank, I doubt much change will come about anytime soon. The Big XII may as well do what they don’t want to do and add 2 members to get to 12 and have a league title game. The NCAA has clearly indicated that teams are better off dodging their own league opponents and instead loading up on OOC cupcakes, like we see in the ACC and B1G.
What needed to happen here was for each of the Power 5 conferences to have an undefeated champion, which I doubt would have changed the selection outcome, regardless of whether or not it was Baylor or TCU in the Big XII. Now had it been Texas or Oklahoma, people in Eugene would probably be the ones bitching.
In the end, the big winner, again in college football, was politics.
Playoff, my foot.
To all you people on here who were thrilled to see Notre Dame become “affiliated” with the ACC, I hope your bowl trip is an enjoyable one.
3 home games vs Longwood and ZERO home games vs Big Four teams. In fact, NO GAMES PERIOD vs Duke.
John Swofford’s “New And Improved ACC” rolls on.
I don’t understand why anyone would want their team to play in a Tier 2 bowl instead of a Tier 1 bowl.
Someone help me out here, but if you like Notre Dame being associated with the ACC in any way, shape or form, don’t bother.
State-Michigan is highly unlikely unless UM wins in Columbus, where they’re a 4-TD dog. Even if UM were to finish 6-6, they wouldn’t be an attractive bowl opponent this season, unless your team was a “Directional Michigan” team.
Shreveport may be safer than Detroit, but it’s every bit as ugly, and it won’t likely be warm down there.
And for all those who lusted for ND to be somehow part of ACC football, enjoy the Shreveport trip while the Irish go to Charlotte.
How can you not hate the Irish? Win or lose, they’ll be in a position to screw a more deserving ACC team.
Thank you, John.
These results are TOTALLY acceptable? That’s DUKE football you’re talking about. They haven’t cared a hoot about football since the 1980s, when basketball became their gold standard. State has put tons more money and effort into football, and now we’re not even close to Duke on the gridiron. Totally acceptable for State football to be like this? Maybe in the minds of those who long for just a 6-6 season.
The hell of it all is that we’re stuck in a division we can’t possibly win or even contend in when we’re at our best, let alone while we’re struggling. Duke (and UNC), on the other hand, gets to play in a division that would have a hard time (along with us) competing in the AAC and MWC. Duke has faced Clemson once since 2008 and FSU twice since, plus the ACC title game, and was blown out all 4 times. They didn’t have to play these two this season or last, while we had to face them EVERY season.
Until ACC administrators get real and address the badly needed realignment this league needs, not only for geographical and power balance but for rivalries as well, things are not going to get any better, especially for Wake Forest and State fans. They’re going to get worse.
I hate what has happened to State sports, but I hate what’s happened to the ACC even worse. And nobody seems to give a damn about doing anything about it.
