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Sick of the entire basketball community being astounded at our defense.
This has been a consistent problem under Gott and for years it was blamed on the players. They were too slow. They were not athletic enough etc. It appears at this point it is now obvious to everyone. Even Bonner was perplexed by it.
Dorn is a good basketball player. For a supposed offensive coach, I can’t believe he can’t find a way Dorn can get some “microwave” type minutes. They guy has been completely lost since Mav has come back. How is that possible? We have seen him play good this year right in front of our eyes. I can understand a personal slump but this stinks of poor team management. Same goes for the benching of Kapita and now Anya. I would think Anya could come in for a 4 minute stretch each half. Y7 gives us zero now. Another lost player. Teach him to pump fake and draw some contact. He can hit free throws. Where is his 15 ft jumper?
Defensively where are the toughness drills? How about a 3/4 court trap? Does Yow understand how terrible this is or is she oblivious? How could her marquee coach be a guy that was fired and doing ESPN for 2 years? And she paid him like a proven commodity? Fire her butt!
Year 2, friends. It’s been down hill since then. The fair Gottfather was always a fraud. The only changes are the additions of our old Big East friends and Notre Dame and a full complement of his recruits, minus Bobby Lutz, who was never a defensive genius, but at least provided some level of game prep that now appears lost.
He simply thought we’d out talent people this year. And he’s perplexed now and has no solution, because to swallow the pill, he either has to say he can’t coach, or we don’t have players. He’s run out of excuses, so now it’s “bad energy.”
Does Yow understand how terrible this is or is she oblivious? How could her marquee coach be a guy that was fired and doing ESPN for 2 years? And she paid him like a proven commodity? Fire her butt!
She claims she knows basketball (where have I heard that?) but her actions seem to indicate otherwise. She ran a horrid hiring process cumulating in a last gasp hire with major baggage. It worked for a short while but has run the same course as his last position (but at a faster pace) and someone with any basketball knowledge could see it coming a mile away. She kept handing out extensions like they were candy and now we don’t even know if we can get rid of an obviously uninterested or incompetent $2.5M coach.
I did a little more googling this morning. I THINK (never trust a late night post….at least from me) that the numbers on Archie are “in the ball park”. NOW, some have posted that he has a WAIVER for NCSU. Since the terms of his contract seem to be VERY sketchy, I can NOT verify that. As a matter of fact, the ONLY school discussed was PITT and BOTH Arizona and Dayton deny that there are specific “school” waivers for both the Miller laddies.
The comment about 6 days and still not being prepared….probably is the most telling.
Not being able to handle the press. Not contesting shots (how many did Mitchell hit…?) and then NOT running our offense and throwing up prayers.
I watched (on DVR) the first half…and decided it was NOT worth watching the second half. Watched the Ladies play on TV and the crawler delivered the BAD NEWS…we got whipped. As ORW said….We got our tails kicked.
State has NOT done diddly squat (a term applied to a puny BM?) after a big loss. We then revert to old habits. That was true of Lowe as well as Gottfried. I have NO insight into the team or the locker room mood. BUT, it seems like Gott’s magic with Lowe’s recruits was totally used up and the Genie in the Red Lamp in the 2010-11 season and the Genie has a “Do NOT Disturb” sign. He (she?) will no longer come out and grant wishes. Maybe Elizabeth was the MAGIC CHARM….and she threw in the towel.
Bringing back Lutz? I guess that would be thinking outside the box. I don’t know if he WOULD come back. Then there is this little thing known as BUYOUT. You can NOT reneg on a BUYOUT….unless there is Just Cause (which we MAY have had early in 2013 or so, but turned a Blind Eye to it). NOW, save some criminal action or addiction issue or major NCAA violation, you HAVE to honor the contract.
W & L records are NOT usually included as “Contract Waivers”….if they were or if you said…”You did NOT deliver…” and then refused to pay, no coach would ever sign up….save a few miscreants….so it is what it is.
If Gottfried continues down this path, he is going to tarnish the good done by AD Yow. I do NOT have the answer. I don’t KNOW if Dr. Woodson will take action. We is fornicated….and did not even get Kissed or get Dinner and a Movie….
In all fairness, the folks in the Top Ten had a week of upsets and inconsistencies….save Gonzaga….Mr. Hamiliton done lost TWO….
No matter HOW good your Offensive Juggernaut is….poor Defense will negate and overrule that…
Year 2, friends. It’s been down hill since then. The fair Gottfather was always a fraud. The only changes are the additions of our old Big East friends and Notre Dame and a full complement of his recruits, minus Bobby Lutz, who was never a defensive genius, but at least provided some level of game prep that now appears lost.
He simply thought we’d out talent people this year. And he’s perplexed now and has no solution, because to swallow the pill, he either has to say he can’t coach, or we don’t have players. He’s run out of excuses, so now it’s “bad energy.”
Bingo. The worst thing that happened to NC State with respect to Gott (outside of hiring him initially) was how bad Lowe was at extracting anything out of the stacked roster he had built. Virtually any average P5 coach could have taken the year 1 roster and won with it. It was just that Lowe was so bad that Gott looked like a genius, and Yow rapidly changed his contract structure.
The signs were there early in year 2 though. When Oklahoma State whacked us by 20 in Puerto Rico, the major red flag should have gone up right there. Instead, our fans where after the ESPN analyst who correctly (though abrasively) pointed out the glaring weaknesses in defense, fundamentals and toughness. Thomas de Theay said the same thing later that year and people didn’t want to believe him. It’s kind of like they are finally waking up, in what should really be a strike 3 kind of season.
I’d suggest that Gott’s not the coach today that he was in year 1. I don’t know if it is motivation, health related, personal life, whether it was really Lutz, or maybe it was Harrick. I’d suggest though that we’re in another situation where any virtually average P5 coach could again take this year’s roster and do a lot more with it than what we are getting now.
$2.3M for a buyout on MG is chump change. Allowing your most visible program to crash through to the ACC basement (a near-certainty if not fired after THIS season) has real costs, too.
And it only saves you 1/3 of that $2.3M, don’t it??
Firing an underperforming coach always costs money. We make a lot of it (though much less than we would in a properly-run conference), especially through TV dollars.
Unless you go back to the insane notion of “coaching through the end of the contract” which nobody does anywhere, ever. Not anymore.
Remember how lucky we got with TOB wanting to go to UVA and we had to pay him peanuts of what we owed him? Consider that found money for this.
This is a bad situation. Sitting on it and allowing it to fester only makes it worse.
AND YES, you hire a REAL COACH. You can’t bring back the guy who couldn’t land any of the Big South jobs he went after. Spend money to make money. You want to fill seats in that ridiculously over-capacity hockey arena, or have it be empty for three more years? Really think that will be net in NC State’s financial interests??
Nobody knows what is in Arch’s contract for sure, but if he WANTS to come back here as is rumored, then he likely has a favorable buyout for his alma mater (as many similarly situated coaches do).
It’s not like he doesn’t have business or legal representation, and/or nobody has ever considered this eventuality before.
I mean, not EVERYBODY in the world operates like NC State does.
Summing up today’s word from the wise…
he’s [GOTT] perplexed now and has no solution, because to swallow the pill, he either has to say he can’t coach, or we don’t have players. He’s run out of excuses, so now it’s “bad energy.”
I still don’t get the “They had no Zip thing”… both ways… 1. No we didn’t and there’s no excuse for that and 2. Coach doesn’t EVER throw the whole Team under the bus, except out of total frustration… a point from which, the chances of recovery, we all know, are slim to none…
…she [Yow] knows basketball…
I’ve watched the Yow family from a short distance for fifty years… Daddy knew basketball, Mama knew basketball AND ALL the girls knew Basketball. Now that’s indisputable, but that ain’t the same thing as knowing the BasketBall Business at the high D1 levels in 2017.
If Gottfried continues down this path, he is going to tarnish the good done by AD Yow.
Tit or Tat… if you can still be politically correct and say that… flip the objects and the logic is still true.
This is a bad situation. Sitting on it and allowing it to fester only makes it worse.
Yep… this Dog don’t hunt no more… and this Horse may have won his last race…
Could be time for the Stud Farm….…not EVERYBODY in the world operates like NC State does.
Well… that’s the F’ing quote of the day…
I do NOT have the answer. I don’t KNOW if Dr. Woodson will take action.
And neither does ANYBODY else..
(see the quote of the day…)POP!!!
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Somebody will pick Gott up and he will want one more chance somewhere else before going back into broadcasting so we want be on the hook for the full 2.4. We really need to go after Archie now before we lose him to a comparable, or at this point, much better school.
Let’s face it. It’s foolish to say “Gott can’t coach.”
He has proven a competent coach – even at the highest level of college basketball. However, the true differentiator for the “Good Coach” vs. “Great Coach” – is the ability to build and to sustain after building. To win and win big over several years.
And whether it’s a lack of focus, lack of attention to detail, personnel issues ; it’s not really relevant. The man has coached for almost 2 decades and he hasn’t demonstrated an ability to sustain it.
It was fine to offer him the job when it was offered. It was a mistake – if avoidable / if costly – to offer the buyout.
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This. He most certainly CAN coach. He is a coach…And on top of that, one of few to ever bring multiple squads to the last 16 standing.……
Something seems to be off. I missed the first half on Sunday, and just watched a little bit. We don’t do one thing to pressure on defense, and we regularly lose assignments. That right there is enough for us to get beaten by 80% of the conference. We’re just beating ourselves. And I don’t see things getting corrected.
Then there doesn’t seem to be strategy on offense. When something goes right we forget about it, and we do a bunch of one-on-one stuff or contested jumpers to make something happen. Then there’s some confusion that leads to turnovers, and that’s about it. It looks a little too much like the Lowe years, a lot of shooting from the hip/reactionary stuff.
CowDog,
With absolutely NO disrespect to your credentials and your insight in the REAL world of athletics, which very few of us have….I sort of wonder about your statement…
“This. He most certainly CAN coach. He is a coach…And on top of that, one of few to ever bring multiple squads ro the last 16 standing.”
I don’t argue with his success….and that got him a few extra, well deserved, sheckles as the Sweet 16 is a Bonus item. I went to St. Louis and we fought hard….KU was just too strong.
BUT, that was when we also had a defense as well as an offense. I THINK that you pointed out in some previous posts about needing to be able to DEFEND to WIN. We can’t seem to keep any continuity….maybe, as you have self confessed, our inexperienced players are chasing skirts and not focused. No matter HOW I dissect it, there is a lapse of coaching savvy. MAYBE it will turn around…..but the damage is done…
As to the comments about the PNC being vacant. The damage will be in the upper deck. The seats in the 100 level (bowl) are sold for LTR’s and the businesses and individuals that have them will continue to buy them. My LTR’s in the Champions Club are safe….I WILL keep buying them. I have too much invested to cut and run. We enjoy the games and the meals and the fellowship there with others and our family. There are a LOT of folks like us.
Season~~ Coach~~ Games~~ Total~~ Average NCAA
1999-2000~~ Sendek~~ 20~~ 30709~~ 16535~~ 7
2000-2001~~ Sendek~~ 17~~ 239224~~ 14072~~ 17
2001-2002~~ Sendek~~ 18~~ 242419~~ 13468~~ 20
2002-2003~~ Sendek~~ 16~~ 217012~~ 13563~~ 19
2003-2004~~ Sendek~~ 16~~ 233223~~ 14576~~ 16
2004-2005~~ Sendek~~ 17~~ 245898~~ 14464~~ 13
2005-2006~~ Sendek~~ 18~~ 260509~~ 14472~~ 18
Average~~ Sendek~~ 17.43~~ 209856~~ 14450~~ 15.712006-2007~~ Lowe~~ 20~~ 279035~~ 13952~~ 18
2007-2008~~ Lowe~~ 16~~ 240682~~ 15043~~ 16
2008-2009~~ Lowe~~ 18~~ 242206~~ 13456~~ 21
2009-2010~~ Lowe~~ 17~~ 224131~~ 13184~~ 24
Average~~ Lowe~~ 17.75~~ 246514~~ 13909~~ 19.75
DOWN 3.7% Compared to Sendek2010-2011~~ Gottfried~~ 16~~ 220457~~ 13799~~ 19
2011-2012~~ Gottfried~~ 19~~ 257638~~ 13560~~ 20
2012-2013~~ Gottfried~~ 17~~ 277087~~ 16299~~ 12
2013-2014~~ Gottfried~~ 19~~ 240182~~ 12641~~ 25
2014-2015~~ Gottfried~~ 20~~ 308726~~ 15436~~ 12
2015-2016~~ Gottfried~~ 18~~ 301646~~ 16758~~ 8
Average~~ Gottfried~~ 18.17~~ 267623~~ 14749~~ 16.00
UP 4.1% Compared to Lowe
UP 0.2% Compared to SendekOK, I looked it up and Excel did it as above. Apologies for the format…don’t know how to do charts and tables here. The reason for Lowe’s departure was LOW ATTENDANCE. THAT was the “deciding” factor for not giving him ONE more year. Sidney had a great first year with Herbie’s boys….as did Gottfried with his first year of Sidney’s boys. BUT, we have also had some really talented players and they have not meshed (some….or perhaps MORE than some DEPARTED). Our attrition rate is much higher (figuratively speaking…..someone can do charts and tables) than perhaps any other ACC school.
NOW, add in the raw talent that we have had and played….and our results are not earth shaking. I would have thought that Gottfried would have increased about 15% over Lowe and 10% over Sendek. NOPE. There is NO data on the “scanned” or turnstile attendance. THAT is a DEEP DARK SECRET….
BOTB will have to find a line to quote….I don’t see much improvement….and I STILL think that we are not getting what we should out of our players. Lutz coming back? Not gonna happen. Making a $5 Million dollar move. That is GT’s record….they are paying THREE coaches this year….only TWO next year.
Who knows. Will be in the PNC on Wednesday and see WHAT team and WHAT energy level and WHAT defense and WHATEVER shows up. Maybe Abu and Kapita did NOT pray enough during the 6 day layoff….
Mr. Dog, B’rer ‘Roo, et al…
1. 400 D1 Wins ain’t shabby….
2. For this season — the high percentages are that we’re totally F’ckd….
3. The “management process” will play itself out only at the highest levels, post season….
4. The rest of most all of this is interweb/tinfoilhat/lovetalkingtoyouguys/entertainment at the singlecellendofthefoodchain….
Next game is …
Syracuse
Wed Feb 1, 2017
7:00 p.m.
PNCRest up for that one, ’cause all us old men GOTTa have some ZIP !!!
Good Night Gents….
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Knowing what you know now – would any of you still take Gott over:
Bennett
Buzz Williams
Pastner
ManningNot me.
Gott was indeed a pretty good coach, but he’s falling off just like what happened at Bama.
Knowing what you know now – would any of you still take Gott over:
Bennett
Buzz Williams
Pastner
ManningNot me.
Gott was indeed a pretty good coach, but he’s falling off just like what happened at Bama.
How many coaches in the ACC would you take him over? Not many. Of course he does have that pinnacle of success, two sweet 16s so his job is safe forever.
Hindsight is 20-20. MG will survive, I’M afraid to admit. Not that I prefer it, but I don’t see Yow pulling the trigger. Woodson will not overrule his own hire.
Gott may survive, but this was the PNC last home ACC game at about 10 minute mark of first half. the entire upper bowl was almost vacant. My bride made comment she had never seen so few for a ACC home game. This speaks volumes and will only get worse. The bottom bowl is not as telling as most have invested too much not to go or least give the seats to someone who will go. Who is noticing is the question.
Bass Packer,
Not certain which section you took that from, but there was one game recently where my DW made the came comment. Take a picture of this crowd and send it to DY. There ain’t NOBODY here. LOTS of paid seats with no BUTTS in them. Lot of GOOD, high $$ paid seats included in the coveted “Bowl Area”. It DOES look like there are more folks on the Bench side of the Bowl than on the Press Side, so it does not look as bad as it is.Gottfried certainly has NOT built up the attendance that one would have expected with his stable of Blue Chippers compared to Mediocre Herbie and “you ain’t filling the PNC Lowe”. I doubt that we will make any “headlines” with 2017….but again, the NCAA publishes PAID attendances….
Wonder how UNC records theirs….last time I looked at the box scores for UNC, they were in even hundreds or maybe thousands…
^Roo, that’s from section 201. Both sides were just as empty. As was the seats on the sideline sections. Over half the lower bowl behind the goals was empty with a couple sections completely empty. This was not second half pic, it was well into the first half where most that was coming had time to be in their seats. Its telling……
The view from 214 ain’t much better….if any. BOTH are depressing. Admittedly, the view of the upper decks of the Carrier Dome were equally bad. They had virtually closed off the 2nd and 3rd levels. FSU still got beat.
Knowing what you know now – would any of you still take Gott over:
I didn’t need today’s knowledge to want a different coach. But to be fair, he accomplished more than I was expecting in the first four years at State…but the accomplishments were about what I thought was his upper limit.
I was cautiously optimistic when he was hired and surprised at the first year success. Year 2 was a warning. I guess I’m perplexed and a little shocked at how this season has gone. I think even the pessimists are shocked at how bad we consistently look. If we were serious about basketball this crap wouldn’t fly. We shall see what happens.
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