- This topic has 283 replies, 69 voices, and was last updated 9 years, 7 months ago by
.
-
Posts
-
is Cat talking about going as well?
supposedly yes, we will hear today, rumor is Abu has already said next year is his last and there is some scuttlebutt from posters on PP that Anya is not happy.
Not a good situation at the moment but we will know everything by the end of tomorrow. This sucks and I hate the people that are saying that this happens to all programs because that is just an outright lie.
I remember someone really jumping down my throat when I said we should expect at least one transfer given the numbers alone.
If you factor in early declarers that aren’t first round Gott is averaging almost 3 players a year leaving before their eligibility is up.7 scholarship players is not good. No way you can spin it as anything but bad. This is also why you never want a recruiting class of zero.
Apparently Gott was not at all happy with Lacey’s decision, hence no “well wishes” from him in the press yesterday. Irked or not, Lacey served us well.
I remember someone really jumping down my throat when I said we should expect at least one transfer given the numbers alone.
If you factor in early declarers that aren’t first round Gott is averaging almost 3 players a year leaving before their eligibility is up.7 scholarship players is not good. No way you can spin it as anything but bad. This is also why you never want a recruiting class of zero.
2016 looks to be like a complete (blank)show unless something drastic happens
Since no one has been the smart*** yet, I guess it’s up to me…..
Would someone like to explain again why it is OK that we have no incoming freshmen?
I have been saying all along it is a very bad idea to have zero recruits. I was roundly criticized for daring to ask this question. The argument was “no playing time”. My response was “transfers” given we have averaged two a year. Well here we are with 7 scholarship players and the year every assured us we were building to blown up.
You cannot “build” to a year for this very reason.Hello bubble, hope you did not miss us.
Don’t mean to rain on Trevor’s parade but this move is idiotic on his part. He is leaving a situation where he is the man, the go to guy at the end of games, the leader, possibly ACC first team, etc, etc, etc. He is guaranteed next season in a Wolfpack jersey, maybe his last season ever in a basketball uniform. He may never play overseas let alone in the NBA. I just don’t get it. I’m sick and tired of having to learn new rosters every f@cking season. Someone is not being honest with Lacey and shame on them. So what he is 24. Weinke was 28!!! If Cat leaves we are royally f@cked, up sh!t creek without a paddle (literally)
Really bummed about Lacey. I don’t find his draft prospects all that bright, but I can’t blame him for trying to sell high on this year’s performance. Not surprised that Washington is moving on; he seemed to be the odd man out for most of this season.
IMHO, Cat would be making a big mistake by declaring this year. His game is still developing in pretty much every aspect. No way he should leave now, at least, from what I’ve seen.
I think if anything, Gott is pissed about the timing. There were a few high quality players transferring and available to play immediately, but wouldn’t come here because they would be competing with Trevor for playing time. If Trevor had decided / announced earlier we could have aggressively gone after them. Not a lot left now. Just speculation on my part tho.
I don’t think Cat would leave unless it becomes a “sinking ship” situation. That said, he has family responsibilities. That also said, he has a great all-around year and a guaranteed NBA contract allows him to legitimately meet those responsibilities.
Only a fool would project beyond next season anymore. I already feel stupid for projecting beyond last season.
Hindsight is 20/20, though it’s fair to say MG gambled and lost. I still say it was a logical gamble to take, if the program goes tits up, he will answer for it, so no reason to burn the place to the ground ahead of time.
In a sense, Rick and Dog are both right. Teammates and coaches first. Gott saw a group of kids who seemed to have real bonds to each other first and he thought he had a read on them that was apparently off (not wrt Angel of Death, in retrospect he clearly saw that train coming by the playing time reductions). But Almond Joy not listening to reason and King Hippo possibly following…that he didn’t bet on. It would be doomsday.
You have to place your bets somewhere, and take it like a man when it comes up snake eyes.
Yes, KH is who I was afraid about. Now that the name is in the public domain, I can say it. That would obviously destroy me on a personal level. I absolutely LOVE the guy. The other mods (and Dog) can attest that I brought his name up privately yesterday.
Trevor’s situation was a Catch-22. He came to State and got way more exposure with our Sweet 16 run. That’s in a way a testament to what we can offer.
I thought he was a goner during the tournament given that former pro players were saying he was “the best isolation player in the tournament.” Warren got great praises last year and went (good move). CJL got great praises a few years ago, didn’t go, and really should have because he didn’t improve his game.
I think the move is questionable just because of how deep this year’s draft is. Between the kids leaving from Kentucky, Duke, Frank the Tank, Anderson, etc. you have to think that this is a tough year to break through for any marginal talent. There are some good players that are more finished, but there are a lot of kids with potential. If you want to draft on potential, then there’s a lot of options out there.
The thing about Lacey is that we don’t know exactly what he is thinking. He’s stated his goal is to be an assistant coach in the NBA. Maybe he knows he’s not going to be a NBA player, but wants to get as much exposure to different coaching as possible as a player? Maybe he feels like he’s learned what he can from this staff in 2 years?
Personally, I think I’ve had stayed and tried to parlay a strong year and a weak draft into some guaranteed NBA money. If the NBA as a player was a goal, then I think that would be the smarter move. I’m not sure who’d be advising otherwise and if Lacey actually believes this path gets him there as a player.
As for KW, it was obvious that one of the bigs was going to be leaving and as the season wore on it went (in my mind) from Freeman to KW. I thought the minutes in the rotation was good for four, but the problem was the scholarship spacing. This was probably going to happen from the second we brought Anya, KW and Freeman in at the same class. One of those kids was never really going to see the light at the end of the tunnel for increased minutes and exposure.
It’s a darn shame about these two because I like them as players and I like to pull for them. Had everyone come back, I think we could have been setting up for something really special. I thank them for what they’ve given the university though.
As for more attrition, I suspect we’re done. Two jumped the same day. It could be coincidence, but was probably timed together.
As for recruiting, I’ve been arguing for a long time that a zero man recruiting class was a horrible idea. You never know when a transfer is going to happen. You never know when injuries might happen. You hope that a kid blows up and leaves early to get drafted. The point is that you have to keep the pipeline going. I’m sure the staff has been trying, but a zero man class is the type of thing that gets a coach fired (see Al Skinner). I believe we’ll bring in some transfers, but I’d be shocked if we’re bringing in a freshman.
As for Gott, I thought the second Sweet 16 would buy him 2-3 more years with the fans. That doesn’t seem to be happening. I guess my thoughts earlier in the season that a significant enough portion of the fanbase has already turned is true. It will be the HWSNBN wars part 2 with Gott I suspect from here on out.
Is Gott miffed? I’m sure. I suspect he probably likes Lacey a lot as a person and thinks this is a mistake. He obviously had a fondness for him given the initial recruitment, transfer, handling in the media, etc..
At the same time, it’s hard to blame the players. The coaches are paid millions. The players are getting relatively little. Who benefits the most from a stud player returning? The coach. It’s hard to trust the coast has your best interests in mind when he stands to make millions if he convinces you otherwise.
As for college basketball, this type of thing (no real continuity) is just another nail in the coffin. The game that I loved in the 80s and 90s is dead.
I don’t think Cat would leave unless it becomes a “sinking ship” situation. That said, he has family responsibilities. That also said, he has a great all-around year and a guaranteed NBA contract allows him to legitimately meet those responsibilities.
Only a fool would project beyond next season anymore. I already feel stupid for projecting beyond last season.
Hindsight is 20/20, though it’s fair to say MG gambled and lost. I still say it was a logical gamble to take, if the program goes tits up, he will answer for it, so no reason to burn the place to the ground ahead of time.
In a sense, Rick and Dog are both right. Teammates and coaches first. Gott saw a group of kids who seemed to have real bonds to each other first and he thought he had a read on them that was apparently off (not wrt Angel of Death, in retrospect he clearly saw that train coming by the playing time reductions). But Almond Joy not listening to reason and King Hippo possibly following…that he didn’t bet on. It would be doomsday.
You have to place your bets somewhere, and take it like a man when it comes up snake eyes.
Yes, KH is who I was afraid about. Now that the name is in the public domain, I can say it. That would obviously destroy me on a personal level. I absolutely LOVE the guy. The other mods (and Dog) can attest that I brought his name up privately yesterday.
who is KH?
King Hippo! Beloved nickname for most beloved Beejay Anya. If he leaves, I will die of a broken heart.
I actually post as King Hippo on another site in his honor.
King Hippo! Beloved nickname for most beloved Beejay Anya. If he leaves, I will die of a broken heart.
I actually post as King Hippo on another site in his honor.
I cannot imagine why he is not happy. He should be a huge factor next season. If something happens to him then we seriously need to re-examine what the hell Gott is doing exactly. Like I said earlier I think all this is finished by the end of the day tomorrow.
This week was always the week we were gonna have to sweat out. The thing with Anya…total freak of nature, physically. Just takes one team drafting late to convince him they would draft him, assign a personal trainer, and develop him into a specialty weapon. He’s WAY more of an NBA prospect than Lacey, IMHO.
This week was always the week we were gonna have to sweat out. The thing with Anya…total freak of nature, physically. Just takes one team drafting late to convince him they would draft him, assign a personal trainer, and develop him into a specialty weapon. He’s WAY more of an NBA prospect than Lacey, IMHO.
Wait, you think he is going pro? I just assumed he was transferring because he is unhappy for some reason. Him going pro now makes no sense at all. I can see next year but not now. Wow. So I think its easy to assume that after the 2015-16 season we are losing Abu, Anya and Cat. Assuming we stay status quo from here on out. Which I put at 50%. Damn we are going to suck in 2016
I think he easily goes pro next year. I don’t see him transferring at all. Going pro now would be the ultimate example of the NBA being all about POTENTIAL, wouldn’t it? But guys at the end of the 1st tend to be dart throws, so why not a guy with a 7’9″ wingspan who was arguably the best defender in the league last year, despite only playing 15-20 mpg?
IMO next year isn’t a “disaster” yet, just maybe not better than this year and certainly not as good as we had hoped. That said, any more departures would be pretty damaging.
KH going this year would be the perfect example of why the drafting rules have to be changed.
Say KH goes this year because the NBA dangles a carrot. Probably ends up being undrafted. Say he squeaks into the end of the 2nd round. Still gets no guaranteed money, the NBA will flush him, and then he does not have enough talent to make it in Europe. And he has no college degree.
Anya should stay one more year and go pro. Really, that weight issue is what “cost” him a year extra in the college game. He had to spend a year just getting into base shape. Now he needs to spend an offseason getting into a little better shape and working on some offensive post moves. For most players, they’d have done that between the freshman and sophomore years.
Anya is IMHO the #1 pro prospect on this team. You can’t teach that wing span or those shot blocking instincts. You have them, or you don’t. He also has some relatively soft hands as well.
I’m also with BJD. I love that guy. He’s probably my favorite player since Marcus Melvin and Illian Evtimov.
And yes, I said it — Marcus Melvin and Illian Evtimov. Melvin was a one man press break at the forward position who could make threes and had some swagger. Evitimov was a great passer, fundamentally sound, good shooter and give it his all. Had any of Gott’s teams had Melvin or Evtimov, we’d have cut down some nets somewhere. Both would have been perfect for what we do now offensively.
I think he easily goes pro next year. I don’t see him transferring at all. Going pro now would be the ultimate example of the NBA being all about POTENTIAL, wouldn’t it? But guys at the end of the 1st tend to be dart throws, so why not a guy with a 7’9? wingspan who was arguably the best defender in the league last year, despite only playing 15-20 mpg?
Your post makes too much sense and makes me immediately sad that we are about to lose him as well.
Say KH goes this year because the NBA dangles a carrot. Probably ends up being undrafted.
LOL. No way he goes undrafted if he goes. He may slip to the second, but I think that would be a bit surprising.
Anya is IMHO the #1 pro prospect on this team. You can’t teach that wing span or those shot blocking instincts. You have them, or you don’t. He also has some relatively soft hands as well.
This is why it would be surprising. Agree he is easily the #1 pro prospect on the team. Ultimately, I think all of Anya, Abu, and Cat will make it in the NBA. I doubt anyone else on last year’s roster will, including Lacey.
I remember someone really jumping down my throat when I said we should expect at least one transfer given the numbers alone.
You may be thinking of me – but if so – “jumping down my throat” is a little creative on your part, shall we say.
What I said in that post was (paraphrasing): Saying “someone is going to transfer” is sort of a meaningless statement depending if the “someone” is (a) Cat Barber (b) say, Patrick Wallace.
Kyle Washington is ‘good/important enough’ that you win a feather in your cap, if that’s what you wanted.
I beg to differ about Anya. The only guy we have that has a legit future in the league is Abu (maybe Cat). We call him Aladdin around the house. I blame my daughter. Anya doesn’t have the work ethic needed and the NBA game is way to dag on fast for him. Sorry guys. He can waste away in Iceland or Serbia if he chooses to go.
I remember someone really jumping down my throat when I said we should expect at least one transfer given the numbers alone.
You may be thinking of me – but if so – “jumping down my throat” is a little creative on your part, shall we say.
What I said in that post was (paraphrasing): Saying “someone is going to transfer” is sort of a meaningless statement depending if the “someone” is (a) Cat Barber (b) say, Patrick Wallace.
Kyle Washington is ‘good/important enough’ that you win a feather in your cap, if that’s what you wanted.
I honestly do not remember having a discussion with you about it so I would not characterize you in that manner.
My whole point was you have to assume at least one transfer a year and recruit accordingly. A recruting class of zero causes bad spacing and leaved you very vulnerable to college kids decision making abilities.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
