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It sounds like a lot of people have already seen this video…so I am absolutely falling further and further behind with the times as it is just comin
[See the full post at: “The most despicable act I have ever seen on a football field”]Mike calm down it was a cheap shot and it wasn’t the first cheap shot in the history of football. Players who take cheap shots get thrown out of games and a 15 yard penalty. This obviously hit home because he is a a former official but we don’t punish police and they are out of control. Hard for me to see why this official is worth a whole season being forfeited due to the actions of two punk ass kids who had serious lapses in judgement.
That was pretty bad for sure. “California has a law against it” doesn’t really make your case, though. Is there anything they don’t have a law about?
^ I don’t think this is a run-of-the-mill cheap shot unless you’re referring to cheap shots against officials. I think there’s a big difference between a cheap shot on a player who is fully padded and helmeted and at least signed up for it versus someone who is not protected in any way and could result in serious injury. I understand, when you’re in high school, sometimes you do stupid things and you don’t really think about the consequences. But, you can’t have officials worried that they might get taken out. They need to watch the game; not their backs. Does anyone know if the guy was all right?
I agree with PIR in that this was not the run of the mill cheap shot. Not sure the acts should be treated a felonies as some have suggested in other places but there must be some punishment. I would like to know if there was (were) and event (events) prior that lead to these actions. Not excusing the actions but just wondering why. The acts were not disguised in any way (maybe simply HS kids and lack of prior planning). On that I’m curious.
My understanding is these 2 young men were upset at previous call made. 2 of their teammates had just been thrown out of the game as well. The ref who was hit was the one who made the call resulting in the other team in essence winning. They could then run the clock out. So these 2 young men took their frustrations out on the ref. The bigger underlining problem here is there as increase in todays society for a lack of respect for authority. This ref did his job, didn’t hurt anyone in the process, yet was attacked for making a call in a game. If they are willing to attack a man for something like this imagine what they would do in more dire circumstances. People need to have more respect for one another regardless of what team you are on.
I agree with you that this isn’t run of the mill cheap shot. This was clearly way worse but officials do sign up for incidental contact and some are sent to the hospital for accidents that happen during the course of a play. This was way different, with the fact that two kids went out of their way to take out their frustrations on one defenseless unassuming official. I could see suspending them for a season, even community service (and the criminal record that comes along with that), if this is their first offense. If this isnt their first offense they should get worse punishment. What concerned me most is that this may have been an order by a coach. If so, in addition to whatever punishment befalls the two kids, the coach should lose the privilege of coaching for some significant amount of time. And if I’m AD or head coach that person is fired. Not sure what criminal resonsibility is there but the adult needs to be away from football and kids if it ever comes out that coach participated. Taking away a season seems absurd for what seems like an isolated incident.
ncsu_kappa, to say that the police are out of control is like saying that the refs are out of control.
kappa you are clearly out of your naïve and liberal mind (and most likely young). this was a criminal act, assault and battery. not only is there no excuse for players to plant a helmet in a ref possibly causing permanent injury or worse, there is no room in any GAME for such criminal behavior. lock em up and throw the book at them. plenty of refs I would have liked to punch for bad calls (esp at NCSU) but would never…and think if one of those punks caught him in the base of his skull with a helmet! first offense, are you kidding? go to jail on the first offense punk…it’s a game and only a game. And about the cops…are you crazy? Cops are among the most vulnerable and underappreciated than anytime in our history…and God help us if we (you) ever have to live where cops just give up. give it some thought. there are plenty of examples of what it would look like without their protection. if youre doing nothing wrong, you shouldn’t worry.
There is no room for pontification, only action.
I’m putting a boatload of responsibility at the feet of the HC, too. He already had 2 players tossed and it was his responsibility to diffuse what obviously was a team on the brink of emotional disaster.
I don’t know Texas HS policy on ejections,but the first 2 players should be suspended by the school itself for a minimum of 2 games. Forget the perps of the assault, they are done for the rest of the season, without a second thought.
The school should place the HC on job probationary status, as well as the whole team regarding the season.
As far as criminal charges go, would that be up to the official, or can law enforcement actually file a charge?
If the HC coach did anything to encourage this he should be criminally charged. The act was willful. If he was simply unaware he should be suspended for the season.
Budfox88 come on man this is used to be a pretty friendly board to post on so no need for the personal attacks about my youth, political disposition, or sanity. Lets just keep this topic on the facts.
What happened a ref was hit by two players. you feel that this is a criminal offense. I for one, could see this as more blatant than any I’ve seen but would have a hard time believing hitting a referee is unprecedented in sports.
Secondly the assertion about the police is your opinion that I obviously do not share. The US is on pace for 36 non-accidental, firearm-related police fatalities in 2015, which would be the lowest total in 25 years, aside from 2013. Feel free to fact check.
Police fatalities by year
– 2009 – 62
– 2010 – 285
– 2011 – 166
– 2012 – 602
– 2013 – 337
– 2014 – 623
– 2015 – 350 (ytd)I bring these numbers up to point out that the fear of the police is very real. I’m also aware that police do die in the line of duty and they are in very real peril at every traffic stop and response to a phone call that may have been one of mine. While many perpetrators do deserve / ask for what happens to them, many police are also out of control without real fear of reprimand in this day and age. Even though I disagree with your assertions that we should have nothing but the utmost respect for all police when know that not all police are good, I don’t see a need to disrespect your point of view although it differs from mine.
By the way lets get back sports lol
Here’s an idea: let the investigation happen before condemning these two guys and anyone who ever knew them to purgatory. It looks bad and probably is bad, but none of us knows all the facts yet. Video is a whole lot more damning than a hooker’s testimony, but it looked bad for the Duke Lacrosse team a few years ago…until it didn’t. Set your emotion and opinions aside and wait for all the facts to emerge.
Do an investigation, and find all the facts. Find out whether the coaches or other players were involved in planning the assault, and then punish all of them accordingly. There is no room in American sports for this…it’s a high school game, not a South American soccer match, for goodness sakes.
As for the usual and tired liberal vs. conservative argument, I’ve met plenty of idiots on both sides of the political spectrum. I’m NOT saying that anyone here is of that low level of intelligence, but political leanings one way or the other is not a reliable indicator.
May I ask what the hell does this have to do with killings of police? What we do know. Two players went after a ref – not as a part of a football play but intentionally. Those two should be punished. If the investigation uncovers facts that lead to other team members or any of the coaching staff they also should be punished – period. I would also suspend the head coach for the year for not controlling his team even if there is no evidence he was complicit in the act.
Take the tired political crap elsewhere.
I agree with tractor! The video of these two punks needs no context…pretty clear there was intent from the snap, and you bet it would be a criminal issue if something bad had happened to the official. The official would be first in line to press charges, don’t know after that. Disagree with penalizing the whole team for a few players and coaches. Bring harsh charges/penalties against the wrongdoers (whether player or coach), let the others play ball. BTW, I guess there could be absolutely no other correlations with the numbers? Just bad cops.
calm down … we don’t punish police and they are out of control. … By the way lets get back sports lol.
Sure thing, Pandora.
I posted a diatribe on the perceived idiotacy of the Cops Out of Control remark….but it seems to have disappeared….but may pop up later.
If you do some googling, you will find an article where the two players are publicly identified. Not too difficult as they are wearing numbered uniforms and the roster of Jon Jay HS is readily available and you can easily pick up #81 (Sr) and #12 (Soph). #81 was left in the game, mistakenly, and penalized for a late QB hit on the next play. Obviously an overly zealous defensive person.
Racial epithats are the “twitter” rationale justifying the attacks. What is also being investigated is whether the rest of the team and/or the coaching staff had any early warning indicators that the two were planning the attack…..or whether they were involved.
One of the previously ejected Jon Jay players is a highly recruited Sr. QB. Wonder if his upcoming recruiting trips have been cancelled?
I’m with C’dog on the probation for the team. Fair warning for the rest of the season.
Perhaps the two numb nuts acted on their own, but it does seem that they might have been directed to do it by an “adult”. The father of one of them had some cryptic comment about the video being “misconceived”. Hmmmm. The hits were certainly premeditated.
Racial epithats are the “twitter” rationale justifying the attacks.
Going to Twitter for rationale discussion is like going to a strip club for church. Just saying.
Context does NOT matter. It’s battery, a physical attack outside game play. The official IS pressing charges and both thugs deserve jail time, even if just a few weekends in the county lockup.
Participation in school sports in not a right. With this attack, they forfeit the privilege to participate, not only in football, but ALL sports.
calm down … we don’t punish police and they are out of control. … By the way lets get back sports lol.
Sure thing, Pandora.
Glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed that.
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