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State certainly played well enough today to have a chance at the end, but poor execution and even poorer coaching in the red zone ended with State fal
[See the full post at: State Loses at Louisville, 30-18]I’m not even going to get into the coaching. Thought the boys were motivated playing shorthanded.
This Cuse game is so very huge. Gotta win this next one. Really and truly. Glad we have a week to regroup.
Well I for one and damned proud of the effort AND the coaching. Yeah they had some screwups. The two timeouts was someone (player) blowing needing to be on the field, that is not on the coaches to me. The first timeout of the second half wasn’t really a coaching problem either. As for execution from the one why the heck didn’t JB throw the ball away instead of taking the loss. He does that far too often trying to make something of nothing. And I for one HATE the shotgun when you’re inside the 3. College or NFL, I hate it! The kids did pretty darned good today, Moore was a monster. And the two point attempt WAS GOOD!
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Hell of a better effort to day across the board. Coaches, well…????? Aside from the last touchdown we played the ville tough. Some of our missed tackles look so horrible amusing its almost as if they’re trying not to tackle the guys. I agree with some on here, I think the team may be coming around just a bit. Dave’s got to chill out with the time outs, one thing is for sure, we sure as hell aren’t’ going into the locker room with timeouts on the board. Go Pack
GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUNC
Whenever you use a timeout because the wrong personnel is on the field, and especially out of a timeout, it’s absolutely a coaching issue.
Lots of mistakes, but certainly no shortage of effort by our guys. I was afraid they might just give up. Glad I was wrong. These guys are indeed making progress. An off week ought to offer the players time to recover and to continue to improve.
Here’s my response to the praise of “effort” by the players…
If we have to praise them for giving a damn about a football game and playing to win then State will never win a damn thing again.
The way I see it, we were extremely short-handed by suspensions, and had just been pantsed at home by a mediocre BC team. And of course, we’ve been getting our asses handed to us for two years straight.
That does not ALWAYS translate to easy motivation fodder. You see teams half-ass it every week. It happens.
I’m not saying you give the staff raises and an extension for it. But this level of “fight” is what keeps me encouraged during the darkest days of a complete rebuild.
Another game we are out-coached. Agree we have a thin bench, but you really have to question the coaching leadership. The only game we we ready to play was Florida State. Why can’t a team that well prepared show up every week? Maybe Dave and company need a trip to the woodshed!!
I can’t say much more than what Yogi said.
You could blame the timeouts on the coaches, but more accurately, it would likely be on the players…many of whom were moved up on the depth charts unexpectedly and some of whom probably made mistakes regarding their assignment groupings.
As for the shotgun near the goal line, I can’t agree more. I think it is stupid.
Satisfactory. Some progress was shown. Prereq’s for turning the corner is to keep fighting and stay engaged.
They did exceed performance expectations, but that’s a wash. I can’t praise due to the reasons why the expectations were so low.
I like to note that understanding legitimate reasons for poor performances does not make poor performances acceptable.
I actually thought the coaching/game plan was pretty darn good. Sure, mistakes were made. But to me the positives outweigh the negatives in this one. I’m sure Bobby isn’t too pleased with his group tonight. We didn’t make it easy. The effort in the BC game was subpar. The effort in this one very strong.
We have two weeks to prepare for a game that we most certainly can win. We just can’t lay an egg there, or against Wake. Those are the two we must have for bowl eligibility. These are the games we MUST win if we are going to dig out of this awful hole any time soon. Forget FSU, Clemson, and to a lesser extent Lville. They are way ahead of us. We’ve got to take advantage of our opportunities against the BCs, Wakes, Cuses, etc. That is our company. Just need to get to a decent place to take the next step as a program after hitting rock bottom last year. Big opportunity next time out. Lose and all bets are off.
Whenever you use a timeout because the wrong personnel is on the field, and especially out of a timeout, it’s absolutely a coaching issue.
Kids are kids sometimes. I think that person not being on the field was a focus issue on the player and not the coaching staff. Could be wrong but one thing I’m REALLY getting tired of is the constant nasty negative attitude towards a staff that was left NOTHING to work with by TOB, and yet you expect them to win EVERY game in their second year!!! Here’s my take, If you’re so damned smart why aren’t you on the sidelines????? Cut ’em some slack, that team played their heart out today, they were playing the #1 defense in the nation and did pretty darned well, the offense scored more points than Clempson did last week, and for the most part the defense played them just as well as Clempson’s defense did. I’d say that was tons more progress than I expected this week. I thought we could have gone to lou and got blown off the field but that didn’t happen.
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It’s the difference between fault and responsibility. It may not be the coaches’ fault the wrong personnel were in, but it’s definitely their responsibility.
We both agree TOB left Doeren nothing. But today — against a more-talented and well-coached team — they absolutely played their asses off and were in it near the end, which is what makes those mistakes all that more frustrating.
I’ve seen a lot of the “cut ’em some slack”, “if you know so much, why aren’t you on the sidelines” retorts recently.
Here’s the thing – here’s how it works at this level. Coaches are measured by the relative success they have against their peers, assuming nothing outside the hashes goes wrong. That’s true for everybody, whether you are Northwestern or Iowa State or Kansas or NC State or Michigan or whatever else. If you do not win, you WILL most certainly be fired. If the AD doesn’t want to fire you, then the AD will be fired. That’s how it works. If you want to dispute this, I am all ears. Obviously, some schools have more tolerance/longer leashes than others. Hoke is toast at Michigan. Muschamp likewise at Florida. But nobody is going to hold on to a loser. It does not happen anymore. How much time is enough varies by the school, the situation, and the outside pressures.
I offer that so that some may try to keep some perspective and remain objective. Doeren cannot continue to lose at this clip (and he probably won’t). But the fact is he is 0-12 against his peers as it stands today. That is not good. Not at all. In fact, it is very poor in the ACC, where there are very winnable games on the schedule.
We are good enough (I think) to get another win or two on the season. He’ll be back for a third. But there is a ton of work to do going forward. He knows it, I will guarntee you that as well.
And I don’t need to be a coach (though I have been one at the HS level) to know that is how this thing works.
Doeren won’t be fired after this season even if he’s 0-16. I’m not arguing he should be.
We all agree TOB was fired for what he didn’t do — build a foundation for the future post-Glennon, right? We’re simply just not the type of program that can hire a guy, put him in that dire a scenario and fire him after two seasons without giving him a chance to build something his way, then expect to upgrade. Our candidate pool would be only coordinators or desperate former coaches, any of which would be hired into the same scenario. That’s just reality.
But just because Doeren was hired into such an awful situation doesn’t make him immune to criticism.
Had to work today, radio only. Turned off after time out on first series. Had a week of practice to set special teams after the suspension. That part of game should be a no brainier. Sorry unacceptable!
FYI the Douchebag Visor patrol over on broke back hill are rolling right along. I sincerely hate that town, come on Paul
Yawn yawn. If you can’t QB sneak it for a half yard, then you need to go back to the practice field and stay there until you figure it out. All the wildcat and shotgun crap with whatever and less than a yard needs to stop. Period.
Bye week is key here. We have 4 games all of which are winnable, but we will only be favored in 1. The fans, the players and for recruiting, we really need to win at least 2 of these games. Win 3 and there will be excitement in the stands next year. Win 2 and I think you’ve got 75% of us between wait and see mode and very optimistic outlooks. Win 1 or worse and I think most of us are in the equivalent of “stay together because of the kids” mode.
Mistakes are made on the field and/or court everyday. By players, coaches and the refs. My perspective is this staff should be given some time to make things work. I saw tons of improvement on defense today. Were there some lapses, yes. Did the offense sputter a couple of times, yes. Could the coaches done some things better, yes. This team just played 4 pretty darned good teams in a row and except for clempson played them all tight. Instead of picking them apart on EVERY DAMNED mistake, whether large or small (and there has been bashing for even the really small mistakes), I still maintain we need to be more pleased with where they have come since last year than the endless bashing. I just get tired of it, most of it IMO is not warranted at this point. I guess if Gott doesn’t make at least the championship game in the ACC and the final 4 he should be fired. I mean he’s had 3 years right? If we don’t play for the NC this year then all is lost!!!! That’s why I say cut them some slack! 51 freshmen and RS freshmen. Ever seen a team starting up on a new high school? The first two years are BRUTAL. You get killed every time you go out. My nephew played on one of those. By the time he was a senior they played for the state championship, the next year they won it.
I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again. VERY FEW thought this team would win more than 6 games this year. We still have a valid chance to do that. Lots picked 5 – 7 in the poll. I’d love to be able to see those that picked the low games won vs. those that are doing the bashing. My bet is there is a high coincidence there. If the team has a chance to meet those expectations then why do you fuss?Smarter than the average bear
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