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In a statement that will surely relieve Demon Deacon fans, former NC State head coach Herb Sendek said in an interview on an Arizona sports-radio show
[See the full post at: Sendek: “I am not in play for Wake Forest”]Just for the record, I am also out of the running. My chances were pretty much exactly the same, though my hiring would have led to fewer instances of Deacon seppuku.
I would like to announce that I am officially a candidate for the Wake Forest head coaching vacancy. I don’t have any prior experience, but I can’t do any worse than the last guy, right Deacs fans?
Slow clap….. That is EXACTLY what I thought, almost verbatum, when I read the “article.”
The only thing that you left out is that the same media buddies that blasted NC State for running off HWSNBN were the same ones that HWSNBN leveraged to put out his “messaging.” They thought they were getting some sort of scoop, but it was just HWSNBN’s camp playing Fowler.
For all of HWSNBN’s documented and well debated pros and cons, I think his biggest pro was how he played the media. Granted, it wasn’t for the best interest of NC State (or ASU). It was always for the best interest of HWSNBN.
He will never come back to the ACC. Imagine having to play NCSU every year. Even at home (especially at WF) he would get berated by State fans every second of the game.
If things don’t pan out at ASU, he will be coaching a mid major or smaller conference school somewhere, but only until his luck finally runs out.
Side note…Archie Miller’s squad is giving the “business” to Standford. Wonder why every big man on Dayton can shoot the three? I’m afraid somebody is going to get a REALLY good coach with Miller. Just wish there was a way he could end up in Raleigh though.
Go Archie!
Miller’s stock can get no higher. Either he has caught lightning in a bottle, or he’s the next great one. And Sean is well on his way. What a tremendous coaching family.
I’m just happy to see his success. I loved watching Archie play. The Miller family has figured something out for sure. Archie’s stock is Sky high for good reason. Those Dayton boys are impressive. Lots of intensity and movement. Well coached for sure. Go get’em Miller boys.
OK – there are more than a couple of ironies here in this thread.
1. The “early exit” in sendek’s last year was in the round of 32. As we all know, the last 2 years we’ve lost in the round of 64.
2. Regarding meltdowns….the meltdowns vs. UNC, Syracuse and then finally st Louis rival some of the sendekian collapses that caused us so much pain.
3. A lot of praises (and rightfully so) for arch and Sean….strangely enough both either played for or coached with sendek. I really have no idea what kind of relationship they have with him, but if they respect him there’s a good chance that they don’t really want to come back to Raleigh as a coach.The feelings about sendek are very mixed for me. I think he was very close to being a great coach, but he couldn’t and still can’t get out of his own way. I think he moved our program forward significantly but had 2 bosses who naturally pitted him against the fan base…and I am afraid those who had a close relationship with him won’t harbour warm feelings towards nc state.
I’ll give ya another:
Archie, in just his third year of his head coaching career, has already advanced as far as Gott ever has in his 17 years.
I figured Herb made that statement from his daylight compartment. How could he honor the process otherwise?
Both good points. However, Archie & Sean’s style of play is NOT even remotely similar in any way to HWSNBN. Both Miller “boys” have an up tempo offense. I don’t have mixed feelings for HWSNBN simply because he was a square peg in a round hole in Raleigh. Like him or hate him he never connected to the school, fans or area. Enough of that…I respect his work here but was glad he is chopping imaginary wood in the desert.
Most interesting stat spoken by Mr. Wulfpack, the short version “Archie has made it as far in 3 years as Gott has in 17”
Add in the fact Archie is only 34 yrs old and you have a coach with a pocket full of rabbits feet or a pretty good idea of how to coach. Same can be said for Sean plus a few years.This is in no way bashing Gott. Just simply saying the Miller “boys” have a darn good hold on how to run a BB team. If it’s lighting in a bottle then they figured out a way to bottle it in their basement and carry it with them.
For Herb’s sake – he may have been asked the question.
We all wanted him to be successful at NC State – it just didn’t happen – best of luck
^I don’t have any insight into the Millers relationship with Sendek, but I think Sean’s leaving for Xavier, even if it brought with it an increase in pay and responsibility, speaks volumes. You can respect a coworker or boss, but you can also recognize that some of them have limitations, and there’s a time to hitch your wagon to another horse. He did. And look where he is.
But I agree with Chop, I see some of the same parallels with Gott and Sendek. Gott is a far better coach, but he doesn’t seem to be able to get over the hump, due to own his unwillingness to address glaring deficiencies.
choppack: Sorry, but I don’t agree with you. Sean Miller has so much respect for HWSNBN that he wouldn’t come to NC State? BS! By all accounts, Miller was begging for the job when we hired Lowe, but Fowler wanted a “name.”
Also, if that held any truth at all, Sean wouldn’t have gone to Arizona, to compete with HWSNBN directly head to head. Sean would’t take a job against his beloved mentor at the rival school.
Not only did he take the job, but his Arizona teams have stomped ASU most of the times they played (granted, ASU won a close one this year). HWSNBN had a big head start on Miller, but Miller has blown by him, much like Roy did at UNC.
With respect to Archie, I’m sure he’d love to come to NC State. Who wouldn’t want to coach at their Alma Mater? This is doubly true given that he participated in an activity by playing basketball for four years that had him way more involved in the campus life and alumni than the average student. Heck, the Millers pushed for Arch to get the job publicly in the newspapers. That wouldn’t happen if he weren’t interested.
Pack1998: I’d love to give HWSNBN the benefit of the doubt, but we saw this season after season in Raleigh. Also, if you look at that article, those were very specific and carefully worded statements — that are eerily similar to what we saw. HWSNBN and his camp put that out there intentionally.
eas: I agree. I really hope that Arch ends up at NC State. He’s got the pedigree to be a great coach.
I don’t think either Miller has a whole lot of respect for Sendek. I know Archie considers his mentor to be Thad Matta. They are both excellent coaches that will be doing this forever. The timing isn’t right for Archie, yet. Maybe a couple of years from now if he isn’t already plucked, who knows.
Miller Bros could be the college equivalent of the NFL’s Harbaugh Bros…
stay tuned and find out next weekend…… and here’s my “nickel’s” worth…
First… I believe everything said so far about all our recent Coaches and the Miller Bros is 90-95% on the money…
That said…
If I was writing Million Dollar Checks for Basketball Coaches…
I would want one who had successfully navigated the UPs and the DOWNs of Coaching… I would want a Coach who had proven he could handle Adversity on the court, off the court, with his school’s lunatic fringe…
Archie’s success, in his short career, speaks very well of his future…
but let’s say he makes a move elsewhere — and he will because when this season is over — he’s done everything he can do at Dayton —
…and after a couple of seasons, it’s clear that things aren’t working out the way he intended… maybe the school oversold the Job… ya’ll know that’s happened on occasion… maybe the AD who hired him retired and the new AD had ‘different ideas’… that kinda of thing…
That “Archie” will be ten times better Coach than the one you’ll see courtside tomorrow night… And, if the “bond to his Alma Mater” is as true and as solid as we all think it is… Archie will come home.
That’s the “Archie” I would want to hire.
Besides… is this not what a whole lot of Coaching is about these days… teaching ‘kids’ how to handle adversity… both on the court and off ??
As far as Archie, or anyone, not “being available” when the next Wolfpack coaching vacancy occurs…. if Uncle Roy can leave Kansas and come back to Chapel Hill… then there’s no such thing as “not being available”… it’s simply just a matter of “the right man or woman saying the right thing on the right day..”.
In the meantime… I will be both pleased and satisfied to watch GOTT & Company grow and improve as Coaches as they continue to rebuild our basketball program to the levels of excellence we all rightfully expect.
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!That is a mighty fine post, BOTB.
The general tone toward Gott since the NCAAT loss has been a bit surprising to me. I’ve been through enough ‘fails’ to try to avoid the rose-colored glasses… But I find it very hard to call the 2013-2014 ‘Pack a bad coaching season. In some ways it was an extremely well-coached and well-managed season.
Leave Herbie alone! Bad mouthing a former coach, who (by the way was the best coach we had between JTV and GOTT) is just bad form.
If that Coach K was willing to develop post players instead of relying on shooters, he’d be a heck of a coach.
If Tony Bennett was willing to work more on offense and less on defense, he’d be a heck of a coach.
So tired of seeing coach Gottfried being labeled as some sort of stubborn curmudgeon with some sort of fatal hubris that prevents him from changing his coaching style. If you can’t see the changes that have been made in three years, then I can’t do anything to change your mind. He knows the game, both basketball and public perception, he knows you have to keep winning or die. These are the same critiques that people have had since the day he was hired (mostly based on things heard from disgruntled Bama fans), and they won’t stop until he leaves.
You think the media backlash about us “running off” Sendek was bad?? What do you think would happen if we were to let Mark go after the three very successful seasons he has had (let us not forget those accomplishments) to hire young Mr. Miller after only one tourney run? If, and when, Coach Gottfried’s tenure has run its course, I have no doubt that we will be in a much better situation to hire a coach than we were when we lucked into hiring him. If Archie is available at that time and is the right person for the job, I will welcome him with open arms. Pack fans are so friggin frustrating sometimes.
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