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Things suddenly get exciting around the NC State Basketball program! The 2016 class is as good of a class as I've evaluated & Omer Yurtseven w
[See the full post at: Pack Basketball picks up transformational commitment!]When you have as many scholarships available as State currently has; and when the program is in such a weird and risky transitional period; I say you take mature, experienced, two-year post players and don’t think twice about it.
State seems to meet the first two conditions almost every year. With high school players looking to leave as soon as possible, there is no real down side to recruiting JC players that you think can contribute immediately.
Didn’t Atsur have to sit out a handful of games at the start of his freshman year because of his club basketball team?
I’ll be glad when he passes the NCAA clearing house.
Atsur had to sit out 3 games.
Deniz Kilicli at WVU was from Turkey, had to sit out 20 games back in 2009.
Enes Kanter wasn’t eligible at Kentucky.
So who knows. Hopefully Yurtseven won’t have any issues, but this is NC State we’re talking about.
If we get Yurt cleared it looks like a one year window to make some real noise. It could be the type of thing that spring boards the program.
I want to see some Amoeba zone defense and a return to a recognizable offense. Do those two things, push the tempo, fill out the roster, get Yurt cleared and it’s Elite 8 or bust.
Didn’t Atsur have to sit out a handful of games at the start of his freshman year because of his club basketball team?
Speaking of Engin Atsur, someone owes that boy big time.
The Guiding Light.Funny, he Yurtseven into my noggin’ the other night and I found that story about his 91 points that I posted in the other thread. I was wondering about the effect playing with DSJ might have on his decision. That and evidently the Atsur connection might have turned the tide. Fingers crossed with the eligibility.
This got lost in Never-Never land….so if it pops up….sorry about the repeat.
Positive. He will make an immediate impact on the team.
Negative. Getting him “eligible”. The Turkish Team “contributed” a lot to his income. THAT will be a red flag for the NCAA…obviously not for UNC players, but for us. Don’t know anything about the academics, but the $$ issue, will be a BIG hurdle.
Overall. Yes, this is good news. However, the landscape has not changed. Put very nicely by folks permitted at practices, the program is in a complete state of panic. The arguing amongst the coaches has been resolved. We now have TWO superior recruiters. We have an offensive coach. We have NO defensive or X & O coach/strategy.
One poster observed that the program was in the SCRAMBLE mode….others used different terms. Obviously Coach Gottfried can pull some rabbits out of hats and has a golden tongue….which explains WHY he has talked himself out of difficult situations before.
Don’t know about Malik….maybe someone does. Word on the street was that he is gone…but Corchiani says (or said) NOPE.
Hope Corch is right.
We will, as many pointed out, have one year to prosper with our new recruit. If he and DSJ jump ship, then what is left in the cupboard….??
Time will tell
83: Don’t get me wrong. My opinion of the head man has not changed one bit. I’ve said in other threads that I’ve reached s zen place on what is and will be as long as Yow is here. As long as Arch is at Dayton and not a high major, then what will be will be with is and we will wait this out.
I see a one year window. We’ve effectively pushed all in but we’re holding a pair of Kings (2 potential lottery picks). Get Abu and Anya back and that’s enough talent to go to the Elite 8 in the current state of college basketball. It’s up to the staff to make it happen.
I’m a little worried about the “no defensive coach” comments. Heath came with a rep for defense and his teams at UT Martin seemed to win with defense.
How about if the NCAA doesn’t clear him, just play him any way and tell them to go jump in a lake (but in a much more PR appropriate way).
This great news but pay attention to what happens now. A #6 recruiting class in the nation is threat to the blue bloods and they and the media will do everything to stop it. They can’t allow NC State to rise. It’s ok if we win a little, even go to the NCAA tourney, but to threaten their position as basketball elites? There is going to be an all out assault from the local media, the N&O and WRAL, against this young man and his family’s financial records, and the team he played for in Turkey. They will also hound the NCAA to the point of under pressure making a decision, doing an extensive investigation, considering heresay evidence, whatever they can to disrupt this young man’s acceptance or even denial of admission. The media’s actions will make unc’s investigation look like child’s play because of the intensity and swiftness of action. It always happens with us. Stay tuned.
83: Don’t get me wrong. My opinion of the head man has not changed one bit. I’ve said in other threads that I’ve reached s zen place on what is and will be as long as Yow is here. As long as Arch is at Dayton and not a high major, then what will be will be with is and we will wait this out.
I see a one year window. We’ve effectively pushed all in but we’re holding a pair of Kings (2 potential lottery picks). Get Abu and Anya back and that’s enough talent to go to the Elite 8 in the current state of college basketball. It’s up to the staff to make it happen.
I’m a little worried about the “no defensive coach” comments. Heath came with a rep for defense and his teams at UT Martin seemed to win with defense.
I have a very similar mind set with a little less zen. The comments about the coaching staff being in panic mode are concerning. If there was tension and bickering, that could explain the mass exodus of players.
Not the local media, but I have every expectation that Swoffy is calling his palz at the NCAA to say this must be stopped.
And if he’s not cleared, I certainly DO like the idea of playing him anyway and being the canary in the coal mine of blowing the whole facade up. That would be sooooooo much fun.
/would never happen, we always do exactly as we are told
^I’m hoping that the boss ordered a house cleaning (of sorts) after last year, and what we’ve seen in the off season is the result. From my perspective, I like what I see from an executive management standpoint: recognition of an issue, alleged review and clarification of expectation, followed by significant change.
Concerned about the “no defensive coach” as well. I, too, thought that Heath was bringing some chops…
^and Beej: I would 100% support your scenario. But it won’t happen…
I am not buying into the conspiracy theories. We do most of the damage to ourselves, we don’t have to worry about others doing it to us.
I also would love to see us poke the NCAA in the eye but yeah, we aren’t going to do anything.
Couple of comments…
Positive. GOOD that we got the Turk. I say that with NO ethnic slur intended. He will be a GREAT asset. Supposedly from the summary on the David Glenn show this afternoon, he will be a short timer. He is considered, if he develops as planned, to be a Lottery Pick and will go pro ASAP.
Negative. The Turkish Team provided him with all sorts of BENEFITS. It will take some time, and considerable effort, to get his NCAA eligibility “authorized”. Thus, the Joe Gigglio tweet.
Comments….
Some one on another thread said that Coach Gottfried was in the “Scramble” mode. I was told by a reliable source that the term was more like “total state of panic” after the coaching upheaval and also Malik’s sudden attention to the NBA. I have NOT received any feedback since about a week after Malik’s decision and have NO INFO on whether he will be back.
Perhaps the coaching changes will calm down the practice climate….which got right hostile and also lead to some dissention in the team.
Finally, I guess that Coach Gottfried is pretty good at “scrambling” as he has had to scramble out of some very unpleasant situations over the past and usually talks his way out. I was told that HE personally was doing the recruiting of the REAL talent and was like the “new car sales manager” or CLOSER. Think flying into a school campus on a copter to “sign up” a player.
MY personal concern is WHAT we will do from a total program standpoint. We do not, according to the source, have anyone on the staff that is an X & O guy or a defensive specialist. Jim Laranaga was brought up in the conversation as a coach who could figure out HOW to staff and execute using the available talent he had….as well as recruit to JuCo’s to fill in the voids.
That seems like something that is critical here and it is discouraging that I do not see that insight….but, hey, I’m only a fan….and not a coach.
I know someone mentioned this but I want to give it more discussion.
Let’s say that the NCAA comes back and decides not to clear him. Maybe he took a little cash to support his family. Maybe his grades don’t translate to him being eligible his first year and since he is one and done he sits out and goes pro the next year. Let’s assume he is a really good student and good kid. Why not go to bat for him?
Someone said half heartedly to play him anyway. I say with all seriousness, yes do play him! I mean it. Ramifications and all. What’s the worst that could happen? We forfeit the games he played in? Hell we might lose those games if he doesn’t play. So what’s the next thing they could do? Ban us from the NCAA? Well let’s take a script from the UNC program. Let’s take this mess to court. Get a court injunction or self report some bogus allegation and extend the process a few more years. Tie it up for years to come. Fine the program? Set the money aside and let’s see how it unfolds. If at the end the Pack is found to be guilty then who cares. By that time we can self impose some post season ban that means absolutely nothing and hopefully by then the program will be up and running. This assumes that Gott can continue to recruit under the cloud of investigation. Gott isn’t Roy and NCSU isn’t UNC. Thank god! I say put all the chips in!
I am very serious about this. The NCAA is on it’s way out. Let’s keep the assault up.
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