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The N&O’s Joe Giglio jumps into a retrospective of the Wolfpack’s 7-5 season in this article. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/colle
[See the full post at: N&O: State’s Stagnant Season]I disagree a little bit, in that I think we ABSOLUTELY could have played with the Holes had we bothered to show up as hungry as they did.
And Louisville and VPI played out the way they did because of the candy-ass schedule. It’s a bitch goddess, you can say “hey, it got us the 7 wins that vaulted us over everybody into CLT” BUT with the other hand it meant we were WOEFULLY underprepared for the challenge of facing what would turn out to be our two best “reasonable proving ground” opponents of the entire season (both of which were markedly more battle tested and ready than we were), as everyone else down the stretch (once we caught our breath and got up to speed) was either out of our league or a sack of shit.
Again, I can understand how and why it happened THIS YEAR, it just needs to never f-cking happen again. It’s not how competitive programs operate.
This year wasn’t about bowl games, as correctly noted, it was more about failing to take a more tangible step forward.
I will say that the game that I find most encouraging is the game @ FSU. We have given the best opponent we played in Raleigh a run for its money all 3 years, but against our best road opponents, we were destroyed… Not this hear.
We will see. I think next year we likely take a step back as we break in a new qb, but I think you give DD a chance and a few more years to see if we can build and sustain something here in Raleigh.
I think next year we likely take a step back as we break in a new qb, but I think you give DD a chance and a few more years to see if we can build and sustain something here in Raleigh.
I understand the thinking, however given what is shaping up to be a stinker of a year in basketball, I doubt the Pack faithful will be in a patient mood.
2016 is shaping up to be an ugly year for the Pack.
Tougher schedule, maybe we grow up faster and are ready for what October brings for a change. No reason to pre-emptively wave the white flag. Plus, Jacoby had a very disappointing year (not to say it can’t get worse because it certainly can and we have all seen it – from Jay Davis to Marcus Stone to ughhhhhhhh Daniel Evans).
I was never sold on Dave being a step up from TOB anyway. There’s no evidence of him being a program builder, just a coach who was able to sustain an already built program with an upper classman near NFL caliber QB (Lynch landed in the CFL I think) in the Mid-American conference for two seasons. That’s it. That is the extent of his track record as a HC.
When Dave criticized our fans in the first home game he coached here when we were playing Fordham (or whatever crap team we playing against) for not having the entire stadium packed for the start of the 3rd quarter really rubbed me the wrong way. Play some quality opponents and get us ranked in the top ten (or hell top 25) and see if we don’t rip the goal posts out of the ground and carry them to the local Waffle House after a win. Until then STFU and focus on YOUR job.
I think next year we likely take a step back as we break in a new qb, but I think you give DD a chance and a few more years to see if we can build and sustain something here in Raleigh.
I understand the thinking, however given what is shaping up to be a stinker of a year in basketball, I doubt the Pack faithful will be in a patient mood.
2016 is shaping up to be an ugly year for the Pack.
I hope you are wrong but fear you are right.
I’m just saying, we could actually be a better football team next year, and end up with a worse record (probably by a game).
Maybe I’m a bit different but I tend to separate sports. Both MG and DD have to stand on their own. On the AD level I do combine things. All I can say these is we are much better off without Jed.
We will see. I think next year we likely take a step back as we break in a new qb, but I think you give DD a chance and a few more years to see if we can build and sustain something here in Raleigh.
I have absolutely no inside sources or anything of the sort. So I ask is there any buzz at all about Jalen Mc? He was a high recruit and has great size and a good arm its just peculiar that we didnt see him more this year or. To my knowledge we heard virtually nothing about him at all this season. The pessimist in me thinks that is a telling sign from the coaching staff. I hope I am wrong.
I think the situations are totally different…. One guy has coached in major conferences for 15 years, in a sport where changes can happen quickly… The other has just 3 years experience where it takes several years to build something (especially at a school like NC state).
As for fan support. He kind of has a point. We don’t like to think of ourselves as fair weather or fickle, but to a certain extent we are. IMHO, pass outs are a huge issue. (I say this as someone who utilizes them)
But on TV it looks terrible… And we can’t expect much of a change in our football fortunes when recruits see that. Don’t get me wrong, as fans we are pretty much walked all over and while DD shouldn’t have called us out..we can’t expect much or expect a good coach to stay unless that changes.NC State football is a difficult job. Period.
And we REALLY don’t want to see where our market position is there right now. Doeren has two more full seasons before anyone should even ask questions, in my view.
NC State football is a difficult job. Period.
And we REALLY don’t want to see where our market position is there right now. Doeren has two more full seasons before anyone should even ask questions, in my view.
I agree its a tough job but for different reasons. We have too many Div 1 schools in this state and we are pretty much in SEC country. (for recruiting anyway) Thats why I think a) we were dumb to fire Chuck and b) we need a gimmicky offense to compete. I would love to see the Air Raid in Carter-F.
However I disagree with you about the market position comment. I think the infrastructure (fans, facilities, nice stadium etc) is in place for just about any one to come here and coach as long as you pay them. That always seems to be the rub with NCSU.
“And we can’t expect much of a change in our football fortunes when recruits see that. ”
Maybe I am wrong but playing crappy teams and not beating anyone of note would have more affect than fans missing from their seats in the third quarter.
Dumb to fire Chuck?? We didn’t have much of a choice. Once he got his own players in here and Rivers left his best conference record was 3-5 and 0-3 vs. UNC-ch teams that were actually pretty bad. If he had “it” he would have done better or at least ended up as hc somewhere else.
Rick – I don’t think the stinker OOC games hurt us as much from a recruiting perspective and with the exception of this year – its not typically as bad as it was this year. Still, we had major games vs. UNC and Clemson where the 1st half environment was good.
Look, the 2nd half attendance is a problem. We can act like it’s not a problem – but it certainly can’t help. It would be understandable if it was just for stinkers, but the same problem was there for the Clemson game as well and anyone watching the game on TV was treated to the announcers calling us out.
The market position IS being a small fish (mediocre football option in the worst major conference) in an overfished pond for local talent. And like you said…this is more natural SEC country for the better kids who DO come out of the mediocre pipeline.
In my view, the mistake was not actively going after SEC membership. Then at least we would have something to sell.
In my view, the mistake was not actively going after SEC membership. Then at least we would have something to sell.
Yep. We’ll regret that one.
If we think fanbase is an issue in the ACC, join the SEC and it will suck. Too far to travel for away games, not to mention the ACC fared better in football this year, with how many top rated teams? SEC is not happening, we just have to figure out how to improve our image in the ACC.
I think DD will be able to build the program, but it won’t happen next year. The talent level looks better to the eye. Let’s see where we are after the next three years. I think we will be in a better spot than we are now, which is the historical norm for NC State football.
Regarding the post “join the SEC and it will suck….Too far to travel for away games…..”
What could possibly suck worse than not being able to play your closest conference rival (Duke) who is 20 miles away but once every 8 or 9 years, yet have to travel darned near all the way to Canada every year to play either Syracuse or Boston College? That would be far worse than having to play Vanderbilt and Kentucky each season.
I was originally opposed to a switch to the SEC, but now am on board with BJD. There will probably be a few more moves before all this stuff settles, and NCSU should do everything it can to get the hell out of this league. It’s a Blue League and always will be. Being an SEC member would significantly upgrade our football recruiting. Basketball wouldn’t be any worse off because in the ACC we are likely to be no better than a middle of the road team.
If the fan sentiment is to keep Doeren at least 2 more seasons with no questions asked, we’re doomed to mediocrity and another coaching search in 3 to 4 years. I don’t dislike Doeren, but honestly, I have seen little from this staff in 3 seasons that makes me think we’re going to turn a corner anytime soon, if ever. When we first had Holtz, Rein and Sheridan, it didn’t take much to figure out that we had something special. I just don’t see it here now.
The beat goes on……
BC and Syracuse are on alternating schedules, home/away, whereas all the SEC doesn’t have anything near, except perhaps USC. But regardless of the sentiment, we all know there will never be any future plans for us leave the ACC, for the SEC. Just as the rumor that started about GT definitely bolting for the SEC, yet in the ACC they remain.
Yea, the SEC ship has sailed. Yow was very vocal about her allegiance to the ACC.
Doeren will have the necessary time to get it done. I like the guy but wish he’d upgrade the staff.
Yea, the SEC ship has sailed. Yow was very vocal about her allegiance to the ACC.
Doeren will have the necessary time to get it done. I like the guy but wish he’d upgrade the staff.
Yow doesnt have a say in a potential move
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