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It would be so nice to have a program where these sorts of things are not so common. It gets so old discussing disappointment on such a regular basis. One day… One day.
I saw Bennett’s presser on SportCenter last night after winning the ACC. He spoke of the importance of defense and the rebuilding task he and his recruits embraced when he took the reigns at UVA. It took Bennett five years. We’re in year 3. I’m not saying that Gott is preaching the same things to his guys, but I don’t think we’re in a position to definitively state that he is not. Give him a couple more years. I love Washington and Anya.
I’m all for two more years, Bennet’s teams took three years to show serious improvement.
Kenpom AdjD numbers:
2009 96.8 #68
2010 96.6 #71
2011 93.5 #26
2012 89.1 #6 <- wow AdjO was 102 #147 (ouch)
2013 91.7 #24
2014 89.2 #3NC State over the same period:
2009 103.3 #198
2010 93.9 #35 <- I find that shocking.
2011 102.1 #170
Here’s NC State for Gott’s first 3 years
2012 97.1 #78
2013 98.4 #112
2014 103.6 #150We’ve hovered around atrocious, and given the makeup of our current roster, I think a little regression was to be expected.
^67
Was anybody else surprised to see Uncle Roy pull the 1-3-1 zone out after five years of nothing but MTM and beat Coach Rat bad the other night? (his kids said they had been practicing it for two weeks but nobody had seen it — Uncle Roy is a shifty dude)
You GOTT to play more Zone to win today’s game.
————–… If those that want to speed the game up and make it more “offensive” (in more ways than one)… the impact will be twofold on the defensive end….
… you gonna see more and more zone defenses… because of the foul difficulties when the refs average 45 whistles a game …
But none of them are going to be very good… cause it’s a foreign subject to the MACFIVEONEANDDONE Kids and the NBA doesn’t play it so why learn it… AND it takes THREE years to learn how to play it reasonably well…… which also translates to more recruiting headaches and more player transfers over playing time cause they ain’t learning faster and conflicts with coach ’cause coach wants me to do something I don’t want to do…
So let’s just shorten the shot clock by 5 or 10 seconds… and EVERYBODY over fifty years old can quit worrying about basketball ’cause NOBODY they know is watching it anymore….
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!How do you get that Bennett’s teams were right around where are ours are defensively for the first three? They aren’t even close.
How do you get that Bennett’s teams were right around where are ours are defensively for the first three? They aren’t even close.
Yeah, I wrote that misremembering how bad our D was. I thought we had been hovering right around 60-80. I edited it to reflect that 🙂
^If Gottfried could hover in the 50-60 range, and occasionally exceed that mark, his teams would be remarkable. IF you look at this NCAA tournament results and games against top flight competition, this has been his biggest problem. He’ll score at a pretty good clip but can’t stop anybody else. When you make the field of 64, you get exposed when you have weaknesses as lopsided as his are. Occasionally, you run into a hot shooting team that can outscore you, or simply an average offensive team that’s solid on the defensive end. But rarely do you ever run into a team that miraculously has a great defensive night. Just doesn’t happen.
Interesting…
I was very disappointed yesterday. We seemed to be a step behind…then caught up and played a fairly good 1st Half. THEN we just BLEW IT. Officiating was not a major factor. Vandy did NOT start well….Anya was in before the 17:30 mark in the 1st half.
Cat played well on defense but did not have a clue what to do on offense….except panic and try to make something happen that would not.
Lewis was doing OK on the O end….but getting eaten alive on the D end. BUT, he did not have a lock on THAT market…
A LOT of well placed folks are not happy….they say there is too much DRAMA in the program….and if half of the comments from folks in the know are correct….then I tend to agree. However, Lutz seems to be some of the glue that is holding the program together despite the drama….so, cutting him loose would really be a bad move.
We ARE a young team. Sometimes we can play with poise and really out hussle and out play our competition….despite their W/L or ranking….then all of a sudden, we get spooked and can’t even figure out which goal we are defending or which one we are trying to score in.
We need Maturity….not MORE raw talent (young, inexperienced, etc.) We have the makings of a better team next year….I HOPE that Cat is telling Cal and the other pirates to GO AWAY. Cat will be a great asset…once he learns to be part of a team.
BillOnTheBeach (expecting Snow?), I totally agree. I did NOT write DY or BP or lambast the team after yesterday. I think that we got defeated by UNC TWICE….and that sucks.
I am STILL hoping for a good ACC Tourney run.
As to the comparisons with past coaches….remember, Lowe psyched the guys up his first year. I caravanned to Tampa and watched us go toe-to-toe with UNC for 1-1/2 halves….and the UNC crowd was really spooked. Next year, he had HIS drama and things just sort of fell apart.
We have REALLY been HEALTHY THIS YEAR. So Gott’s folks have done wonders for conditioning.
Anya is on a very strict diet…problem is, he falls off the wagon (reports from reliable sources in the field) and eats like a staring Robinson Curuso on the weekends. He STILL lumbers….not runs. He still seems like his concrete galoshies are holding him down.
Remember how we GOT GOTT? DY’s lawyers and Shaka’s lawyers stayed up ALL night on Saturday and we had a deal…but Shaka’s wife said NO….and that was the end of that. The others….they were just smoke screens….Shaka was the CLOSEST that we came to landing a coach. GW did do a number on DY….and I am GLAD that MD is gone and I hope that JS spends every last dime of the ACC reserves to extract every farthing from their sorry a$$ behinds….
Seems like a WOE IS ME WP WE. The Lady pack looked good for 17 minutes….then THEY fell apart….down 8 at the half. BUT in the second half, they outdid themselves….they were down almost 30 points.
With the loss of our two scorers, the tourney is NOT going to be a pretty site…unless Wes Moore wakes them up….
Going to the ACC Tourney…already have parking laid our for our MH complex. Was not going up until Wednesday night….but it LOOKS like we are trying our darnest to get qualified for the Wednesday (Les Robinson Invitational) games…
DY will not put up with much BS next year….the high $$ donors are already UNHAPPY about the DRAMA….and if Gott don’t produce….then he probably GOTTA find a new job….
Short answer to the Bennett question…
Joe Harris, Akil Mitchell
Both Seniors….———–
Everybody here loves BJ Anya… right ??
BJ’s a freshman…
How are going to teach BJ how to play good defense much less good zone defense in one season when the kid who apparently is coming from a somewhat undisciplined environment in basketball terms — shows up somewhere north of 300 pounds ???
In spite of that…. in the last two or three games… the freshman… BJ Anya has been a difference maker in a big positive way on the floor and on the bench.
Coach Rat, Boeheim… any other well know “defensive minded” basketsaurus / coach couldn’t do any better than GOTT & Company
with BJ Anya.Plus we GOTT BJ for three more years…
BJ will be ALL-ACC before he leaves Raleigh.#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!DY will not put up with much BS next year….the high $$ donors are already UNHAPPY about the DRAMA….and if Gott don’t produce….then he probably GOTTA find a new job….
I wish we had PMs, I would LOVE to know what this is about.
Those are very interesting takes Roo. And I know nothing about them. We all know there was quite a rift on the squad last year. Don’t know about this year but if what you imply is true then yea, Gott is going to get a stern talk or two. You cannot have that stuff in your program and expect to win big.
1) figure out how to defend the high ball screen. figure it out.
2) stop giving up and-1s.
3) put pressure on the passer. passing should be difficult with an athlete in your face.oach-ing v. Coach-ability => chicken v. egg ??
In any one year, you could argue that it is impossible to tell.
Over time….the only common denominator stands out.However, Lutz seems to be some of the glue that is holding the program together despite the drama….so, cutting him loose would really be a bad move.
And in a lot of ways… I wish you hadn’t but somebody was going to… so it might as well be one of our most respected members….
I been saving this… until the inevitable post season — coaching carousel / media circus….
Check this pic out closely… late fourth quarter or OT in the *NC game last week during the fever pitch of the battle…
Pay special attention to the look on one of the assistant coaches face… contrast that with the rest of pic…
Now… I know what I think that LOOK says…. but I ain’t saying jack…
Problem is … I GOTT this from ESpin and a lot of other folks already have seen it and will be forming and spinning their own conclusions…
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!^yep… at least three possible languages here… paky…
As for the “drama”… round up the usual suspects…
starting with those who have already shown a propensity for drama from last year and ask your questions.#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!I realize Im in the minority, but the season has gone about as I expected, actually maybe a little better if you factor in the good showings at Sryacuse and against the heels.
I realize Im in the minority, but the season has gone about as I expected, actually maybe a little better if you factor in the good showings at Sryacuse and against the heels.
Nah, I’m not sure anybody expected much, but as a fan base we seem to live and die every game.
OK, I’ll bite. Just what is that snapshot supposed to mean? Im assuming that between the lines I’m supposed to gather that Lutz is disinterested, there’s trouble on the good ship Wolfpack and a mutiny (or keelhauling) is forthcoming. However, a snapshot is just a moment in time. I might buy into that theory if there were reports from people who attended the games and can tell me that this is a pattern.
I show you exhibit B, Coach K in agony, the assistants in various expressions from “hmmmm” to “meh”.
The NIT seems to favor the mid majors. FSU, Clemson and Maryland are also in the running. Virginia, FSU and Maryland made it last year. Miami was the only ACC team to make it the year prior. I think we’d be in today but we need to beat BC for sure. Beating Pitt tomorrow would be nice too but that will be tough.
Kudos to those of you still supportive of the program.
To me, this is really year one. The last two years Gott was playing w/ Sid’s team.
This team was ranked 331 in experience in D1. They were predicted to be 10th, and we’ll probably be about that.There’s good stuff coming.
Kudos to those of you still supportive of the program.
To me, this is really year one. The last two years Gott was playing w/ Sid’s team.
This team was ranked 331 in experience in D1. They were predicted to be 10th, and we’ll probably be about that.There’s good stuff coming.
I expect a dance invitation in Year Four. But that’s not a very high bar to clear, IMHO. I think MG will do it, and we’ll have the chance to regain some program momentum.
There’s quite a bit of scoring potential next year, and it should be balanced. Lacey, KW, and KH for starters. All three could be scoring machines. And I’ve seen enough the past two games to re-gain reasonable hope all is not lost with Cat.
BSW will be much more of an asset when he doesn’t need to be counted on for 30+ minutes. That was also the case with the original, vanilla version.
This season has been close to my expectations. It would be very disappointing to miss the NIT, and I think we need 2 more wins to feel confident of that bid. NIT-ology isn’t up for this season yet.
..ply…IDK…
the Cat ate the mouse ?ask BJD… he likes cats…
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!I agree with those inferring that Gott is safe through next season, with those results likely dictating the near future. A strong Ncaa birth may mean another extension, a bubble birth probably means no hot seat (not cold, either), NIT equals some real heat, less than that is most likely serious heat or possibly worse if disaster strikes.
While I’m throwing out my worthless $.02, I also wanted to add that if we’re going to continue to get athletes like Cat, Warren, Washington, etc and have a deep roster then I would love to see more of what we saw Saturday – some 3/4 court pressure / trap or some all out press. Warren was super effective at the point of that D, and Lee was a good fit for it as well. If we’re going to play a gambling defensive style then go for broke IMO. If halfcourt defense / rebounding are your biggest weaknesses and transition offense is your greatest strength, then do everything possible to minimize the halfcourt game.
^If we have shooters however, that opens up many more possibilities. We can still pressure the ball on defense, but don’t have to be afraid of an actual halfcourt set when we’re on offense. I haven’t written off this season, but am intrigued to see what next season will bring. I really like the nucleus of this team.
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