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  • #37667
    Whiteshoes67
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    An old timer MLB baseball scout told me many years ago that guys like Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine, both 2nd round MLB picks, would either be picked much later, or in the case of Maddux, possibly not at all these days. His point was that everybody went for the hard throwers, body types, stamina, and didn’t look at the nuances of pitching. Same is true of basketball. Everybody thinks because some 18 year old has 4-5 stars beside his name, he’s polished and a guarantee to dominate at the collegiate level, a sure 1st round NBA pick. The coaching is bad, the game is bad, the play is bad. Lots of reasons for it. But the best coaches still recruit guys who understand the nuances of the game, not only have the body types or athletic talent. They’re also great teachers.

    #37676
    bill.onthebeach
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    ^Exactly… think Del Negro and Googs… just to mention two we all know….

    Cat Barbour WILL BE FIRST TEAM All-ACC his junior year at State.
    GOTT & Company and ANTHONY can make that happen.

    Until then he’s just ANTHONY… not Cat….

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    #37679
    WolftownVA81
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    Our players do not seem to be progressing in their development. I’m starting to get concerned about what appears to point to coaching. Gott and company really need to get things turned in a different direction. We are young but too many fundamentals seem to be missing from our game. Leadership on the court is not evident and we really need to seem some strong leadership from the HC to right the ship. If this years continues in its death spiral, I would not be opposed to a change in direction. Three years should be enough time to know what we we’ve Gott, or don’t Gott.

    #37692
    Wulfpack
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    We’ve suffered two 30+ point losses in the past week. The worst teams aren’t even that bad. We’re bad. Plain and simple.

    #37736
    BJD95
    Keymaster

    We’ve suffered two 30+ point losses in the past week. The worst teams aren’t even that bad. We’re bad. Plain and simple.

    Yeah, that’s where I am at this point. Hard to break it down any further than that.

    #37744
    triadwolf
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    Player development doesn’t take place January thru March; it takes place primarily in the off season and Nov thru Dec. A couple of our young guys have hit a wall and the only cure is trying to play through it. There is a reason Freshman and Sophomores historically didn’t see much playing time, but it’s a new world now. The level of competition in conference games have hit the young guys square in the mouth; hopefully they can shake it off and get their heads back in the game.

    If we’re going to be successful it is imperative that Gott and his staff convince these kids to stay in the program for at least 3 years. That’s a tough job in today’s reality that everyone expects to get quality playing time and light it up from day one. There are only a handful of freshman that can come in and play at a high level right out of the gate and we are not getting those guys at this point. While we’re getting physically talented players, they all need to develop their game before they can have an impact. In particular it’s imperative that we keep Barber for at least 3 years, relying on freshman and sophomore point guards to run your team every year is an absolute recipe for disaster.

    Let’s hope these guys suck it up, shake the cobwebs out of their heads and start playing basketball again. Oh and can we please recruit someone that can make a shot from behind the arc!

    #37746
    bill.onthebeach
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    Triad… you GOTT it…

    Plus this….

    Considering the attitudes a lot of kids bring with them from high school…
    It takes a whole season… for them to “get humbled enough” to become willing to do the hard work to fix the necessary things.

    Our kids ain’t no different from Uncle Roy’s or Coach Rat’s or Calipari’s kids in this respect.

    This problem starts somewhere in the seventh grade.

    At least, as far as I know regarding this season, GOTT & Company don’t have a kid’s mama calling them daily to discuss her son’s playing time, or lack thereof, and the plays her kid is being asked to run.

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    #37757
    Tau837
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    Our players do not seem to be progressing in their development. I’m starting to get concerned about what appears to point to coaching.

    I disagree with this.

    Under the current coaching staff:
    – Howell, Warren, and Vandenberg all transformed their bodies significantly. It appears Anya will do the same, having already shed 30 pounds since arriving on campus.
    – Brown, Leslie, Howell, Warren, and to a lesser degree Wood and Vandenberg all improved their play. Certainly some of that is due to experience and maturity that comes with age, but the coaching staff also deserves some credit.

    I can only think of one rotation player who was in the program for more than one year and (so far) has not improved under the current coaching staff: Tyler Lewis.

    As someone else noted, most player improvements happen during the offseason, not in season. And particularly in the offseason between the player’s first and second seasons. I expect our current players will be better next season.

    #37760
    bill.onthebeach
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    … Agreed… which begs the question….

    Who, among the freshman or sophomores who are currently getting playing time, won’t be first or second ALL-ACC team before they graduate?

    If they will just do what GOTT & Company ask them to do… and baring injuries, methinks…. ALL of them.

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    #37767
    triadwolf
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    ^ I have to agree that all the underclassmen have the potential for some conference honors down the road, but I also have to say that I don’t see Lewis really competing at that level right now. Perhaps Gott will start him tonight and going forward that will get his motor jump started, but…

    @Tau87 – I agree with you on past player development. The only one glaring exception I see is CJL; he showed it at times, but I believe he got in is own way. I think he chose to work on the things he was already good at – which is not work at all – it’s working hard to improve your weaknesses that make the difference. I also did not see his body change at all in the 3 years he was here; anyone thinking of the NBA only has to watch one game to know they better hit the weights hard if they ever expect to play. You don’t have to bulk up and be a beast, but lack of strength will get you eaten alive.

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