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03/13/2014 at 9:29 AM #45500
VaWolf82
KeymasterI have to admit that I’m skeptical of this approach if it led you to reach this conclusion last year:
Last year entering the NCAAT I kept beating the “We are better than our record indicates” drum.
03/13/2014 at 1:20 PM #45526MP
ParticipantThat looks much better… The columns across are:
Game / Pace / Result / FF Projected Result / NCSU Offensive Rating / Opponent Offensive Rating / NCSU eFG% / Opp. eFG% / NCSU Turnover % / Opp. TO% / NCSU Off. RB % / Opp. ORB % / NCSU Free Throw Rate % / Opp. FTR%
Source data comes from: http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/north-carolina-state/2014-schedule.html
Then click on the date of an individual game to see the game data.
03/13/2014 at 1:41 PM #45533MP
ParticipantRe: Your comment about last year’s team – Basically, using the FF criteria, we lost one game that we ‘should have won’ (home against Maryland) and we had three ‘toss-up games’ – which we lost all of them. So in other words, our individual game FF numbers justified at least a 12-6 conference record; or better with any toss-up games going our way.
But trust me, I think I get your drift.
03/13/2014 at 1:51 PM #45535VaWolf82
KeymasterUnder the “FF Projected Result”, does a blank mean “toss-up”?
03/13/2014 at 2:23 PM #45553VaWolf82
Keymaster1. If a team has an eFG% +2% better than the other, it is considered a clear advantage.
2. If a team has a TO% +3% better than the other, advantage.
3. If a team has an ORB% +4% better than the other, advantage.
4. If a team has a FTR +5% better than the other, advantage.There are statistical packages that might be able to help correlate these factors into projected wins and losses….much like the professors behind the Dance Card analyze the NCAAT selection process. However, I have no experience with any of these packages.
The real trick would be to turn these calcs into point spreads.
03/13/2014 at 5:07 PM #45588MP
ParticipantSorry got quite busy this afternoon. Yes! The blanks mean toss-ups just like you have it in the updated table.
And it would be very cool to know if statistics could be applied. I’m not the best for that. My margins basically came from staring at the ceiling and speculating on what point/TO/RB/FTR differential over a 100-possession range would become “significant enough” to potentially drive the outcome of a game. So for example, if you shoot +2% eFG better than your opponent over 100 possessions, that translates to 4 points which the other team would have to overcome in some other way (say – by dominating the offensive boards).
03/15/2014 at 12:45 PM #46483MP
ParticipantVaWolf,Thank you for fixing that table.
Looking at the last 2 nights by the same criteria:
The Miami game was a toss-up, but our clear advantage in TO% would suggest a win.
The Syracuse game would chart as a ‘should loss’ as they held the advantage in 3 factors… But similarly we had a very clear advantage in eFG% where their 3 advantages were much closer to being washes. But still… That one could have gone the other way.
03/17/2014 at 7:14 AM #47204StateFans
KeymasterBTTT because this is great work
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