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Please spare me your indignation. I assume you voted , all you can do now is watch and see what happens.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/opinion/the-democrats-screwed-up.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
No indignation here….read the article. The writer is the first Openly Gay NYT Op-Ed Columnist….a UNC Grad no less. a FREQUENT CNN and MSNBC contributor.
Yogi is spot on on the NYT….their “rededication” letter was hilarious.
Here are some points from the article….also written about by Charles Krauthammer.
President Obama has LOST the following
• 11 Senate Seats (he qualifies that)…that is HUGE
• 60 House Seats
• 14 Governorships (Our Patty Boy MAY be the only casualty….and he may be FLUSHED for HB2, but the GA was the real culprit here)
• Over 900 Legislative Seats in the State Houses nationwide….The LONGER version of this got sent to the WordPress SPAM folder. It MAY pop up here….so don’t think that I purposely DOUBLE posted….not the first time….nor will it be the last…
Really good summary….
BOTB, this election reminds me of an old episode of MASH. Hawkeye and Trapper were fed up (pun intended) with their food choices. Fish and liver, liver and fish. In the food line Hawkeye commented they had eaten a river of liver and an ocean of fish. To which they started banging their food trays on the tables and screamed “We want something else”. This election was just that. The same thing happened in 1980 and gave us Ronald Reagan. I’m not saying Trump is anywhere close to RR but he was “something else” warts and all. To put it another way it wasn’t that Trump was that great and the waffling of the electorate opinions showed it. It was like two horses coming down the stretch and both were completely out of gas. NO ONE knew that the word deplorable would energize a segment of the population but it did, and the fact that the FBI could or would tote Hillary off and plop her in an orange jumpsuit at any time was just too much of a load to carry. Trump nosed her out in the last 7 days.
In my estimation the wall and the concessions on ObamaCare are pragmatic decisions. Border security can be achieved without the wall all the way across, but currently border patrol’s hand are tied, untying them will go a long way. Repeal and replace was probably always going to carry with it those two provisions. Again pragmatism.
Smarter than the average bear
Trying to remember who signed TARP.
And Gramm-Leach-Bliley was a team effort.
Hope you like filibusters since Republicans are going to have all three branches of government here shortly.
Filibusters are fine. In fact I love the hell out of them because they DENY democracy. It is sweet music to my ears when I hear a politician claim that certain people are keeping the, from “getting things done”.
Republics protect minority opinion through political structure not government edicts.
Should the Democrats filibuster the effort to reintroduce Glass-Steagall?
Would you support that?
McCallum
Again pragmatism.
One of the issues needing pragmatism is an enumerated power, the other is not.
McCallum
The old professors at the old NCState all tried to teach us four things….
1. How to fix sh#t.
2. How to build sh#t.
3. How NOT to F sh#t up.
4. To be Leaders.Sometimes you GOTT to tear something down in order to build something better in its place.
Sometimes tearing something down is fun.Now is the time for leaders to stop tearing down and to start fixing and building.
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The United States is a democratic Republic, not a democracy….
a point that cannot be overemphasized.#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!I must say that rthomas44 has made my morning.
The pure state of “up yours” is a wonderful refreshment compared to the endless bantering about finding common ground and working together.
The Greeks, prior to being watered down by so much Turkish blood, had it fairly right. Once you get beyond 5,000-6,000 people government is largely unresponsive, tyrannical and ineffective.
McCallum
I found two words/terms that is tripping the filter on here. S o c ialism and t he p o o r.
Smarter than the average bear
To a great many in the polls the number who felt the country was going in the wrong direction was WAY high. Problems noted specifically were basically principles of s oc ia lism and yet when asked if they felt the country had become too soci al istic the numbers wound up about 50 – 50. That statistical anomaly was striking. Most interviewed did not make the connection between the two. You may draw your own assumptions from that data.
Smarter than the average bear
RThomas44,
I did vote. I did share articles written from folks that were not in the MSM with friends. I actually was NOT a Trump supporter until very late in the primary process. John Kaisch and Mike Huckabee and Carly and Meg were some of my early choices. I saw Jeb as a spoiled brat trying to get approval prior to his father’s death. Like the progdical son that squandered his inheritance and was pennieless….
If you do NOT want to read what I recommend, then that is fine, but you do not have to be so indignant. I have a friend that suggested that I was OD’ing on Fox and that I needed to spend more time on CNN and MSNBC to learn the REAL truth.
He then, later said….After reading some of the articles, I probably DO spend too much time on CNN and MSNBC and don’t know as many facts about Trump and Hillary as I need to. It will not change my vote….as I would then be banished from my home and never allowed to see my grandchildren again. My wife and daughter have been bombarded with campign info and they are 100% without fail behind Trump and even if HRC’s “oval office” were in Central Prison, they would be happy that she was elected.
If you want to see a slice of both the Left and the Right and the articles….then try RealClearPolitics.com. Their daily listing is usually 50/50. You probably know that their polling data is quoted, and watched like a hawk, buy BOTH sides and is frequently the “Gold Standard” for CNN and MSNBC.
I remember the “stump preachers” from NCSU. When we took my son to San Francisco after graduation, we were in the “free speech” area there. There was an individual that had a small crowd of individuals and he was in his best “Professor Harold Hill” mode. My son started laughing and walked over and the guy stopped and looked over and said…”XXXXXX, how the heck did you get out here….? and laughed. Obviously me son knew him and had “discussed” things….
The article I posted was one person’s opinion of what happened. It was NOT, by any stretch of the imagination (I HOPE) a justfication or a Campaign piece. If you are open minded and read what is out there and still espouse your position…then that is your prerogative.
I really am concerned about individuals, on BOTH SIDES of the Political Dividing Fence, that merely parrot and take as “Gospel” the party line or their “choice of media” pundits.
Yogi,
Question, if it is appropriate for you to publicly answer…is there any valid data on the number of voters, on BOTH SIDES, that might not be US Citizens or that perhaps voted “early and often”. Some of the more radical sites have the Non-Citizen vote totals at more than 3,000,000. That would concentrated in a couple of states and if you subtracted that, the the popular vote would be reversed.
I know that even in the late 80’s and early 90’s, the UGLY jobs were being done by Hispanic individuals. In rural MS, of all places, where the unemployment was through the roof (PUN INTENDED….read on), I had several major re-roofing jobs going on. I had a project manager and a full time QC person on each job. I would check on them at least monthly. My boss, a real wise apple Yankee, told me that he was going to shut down my crews….and that I needed to bribe him not to go up the ladder and yell….”redada de inmigración…” or “inmigración”. His Spanish was excellent. We chuckled and concluded that there would be the chance that some would take a swan dive off.
I did wonder in looking at some of the videos of the Latino precincts if someone yelled that, how MANY voters would be “called away”?
Tax more, spend less. Something akin to Simpson-Bowles. Yes there will be pain among some groups and individuals.Both parties need have too few statesmen among them, people incapable of digesting complex issues and making decisions that benefit the whole and all the while advocating for those they represent.
This election was all about anti-establishment politics and the Democrats not fulfilling the promise of 8 years ago, particularly among working class folks. Good luck bringing back jobs and controlling health care cost without swelling the deficit/debt, and without increasing tax revenue, cutting expenditures.
Predictions–very little done in the way of entitlement reform or defense spending. Very little momentum in the way of manufacturing increase. Very little accomplished overall.
WhiteShoes67,
Had I not been a bit of a “party animal” or perhaps a “skirt chaser” my sophomore year, I might have marched with you. It took some maturing for me to do that in 1968. NO, my IQ did not improve….only my ability to use my intelligence and focus it.Your comments are intriguing….and I can not, on all fronts, agree…or disagree. I was part of the NAFTA sucking sound that Ross Perot predicted. I fought the good fight and kept jobs in the USA as long as possible and I also was able to spread out the transition so that the impacted folks was a LONG as it could be….presumably so they could recover.
The USA is like a patient that is either getting older or has a terminal illness. Will they every recover to age 50 or so? Doubtful. Will they suddenly pass away one day (as in defaulting on our $20,000,000,000,000 debt or, stated another way, the $160,000 Individual Tax Payer Debt? Probably NOT.
I AM optimistic that there will be a slow down in the debt. I am optimistic that we will provide jobs for the USA….including the Non-Citizens in the country.
My biggest Optimism is that ALL the folks that find it MORE CONVENIENT NOT TO WORK will feel that they SHOULD get a job…and be a productive member of society. They might find that they have less time to be bussed to rallies and protests. We might find that our cities and neighborhoods were a little safer. I can’t recall which CA city’s mayor sent out an email to merchants telling them that IF the police force confronted and arrested the “we do NOT accept the Election Results” protesters, who were LOOTING and VANDALIZING businesses and personal property that SUCH ACTION (enforcing the LAWS) would only instigate them more and there MIGHT be more violence and perhaps bloodshed. WOW…so much for living in a country where the rule of law prevails. So much for expecting our police departments to protect our property and our families. Wonder if that equates to record background checks for firearms purchases?
We are too polarized now. Look at the polls (by the WP and NYT)….Race relations in the US have declined since 2009. That is more prevalent in the Republicans surveyed, but also a major drop in the Democratic respondents….
Same follows the White (Non-Hispanic) answers….but really SPOOKY…the Black (AfroAmerican) views are NEGATIVE…that President Obama did NOT “FIX THINGS” as he promised….and he actually MADE THEM WORSE.
Can’t give you an answer on your question. BUT, if we, the American People had Lung Cancer….then one would THINK that we would quit SMOKING. TO equate that to our situation….”Smoking” is akin to the protesters….they want eternal life but will not make sacrifices to their lifestyle that will improve their longevity….
EOR
Roo, we purposefully DID NOT ask if the respondent was/was not a citizen. Some locations/clients did have a question of how the respondents felt about voter ID requirements. There were data “ties” or “joins” between the response to that question and others. That’s as far as I can go without divulging proprietary information. I’ll give you a hint though, there “may” be a push for nationwide voter id in the future since even though local election boards control local voting for federal elections that “may” become a requirement.
Smarter than the average bear
Roo,
You can always tell who has a lot of time and a laptop vs those with a smartphone. I have not told you my position. I voted and will let the chips fall where they may Whiteshoes has it right. Much flash and fury signifying nothing.Just enough time for a quick comment. I really appreciate the differing opinions, commentary, and links to articles. Lots of great stuff for me to finish digesting and arrive at a more fully-informed opinion.
Hopefully, I will some time later this week to add something to the commentary here.
I have no problem talking and listening to folks of other persuasions and opinions. I am a registered Democrat but have frequently voted otherwise, probably 50/50 when it comes down to it (in national, state, or local.) I will change to unaffiliated, just haven’t done it yet. Neither party has a monopoly on good ideas, good intentions. The whole protest backlash junk is laughable to me. If you really expected one person to make that much change, you’re already in for a big, big disappointment. Count me among those who wasn’t thrilled with any of the presidential nominees. Count me among those that also wasn’t surprised, in spite of the polling, of the result.
As a parent of young children, my hope is that we try to leave this place a better one than it is, or was. I’m not nostalgic. I know our history. We, and our major parties, share a collective responsibility to fix the many problems this country has, but it’s still a beacon for most of the world. These problems weren’t created in one election cycle, and they won’t be solved in one.
Speaking of “tearing stuff down”…
Mr. Trump appears to be dismantling his “platform” one board at a time as many predicted.
Cue the Trump lunatic fringe to hit the streets to start their own protests.
#NCSU-North Carolina's #1 FOOTBALL school!Read this, rthomas44. READ IT! Spare me your vitriol!!!
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/14/anti-trump-protester-walks-out-into-highway-gets-hit-video/
But for real, yall, I tried SO hard not to laugh about this. Forgive me, Lord. I tell my 3 year old not to play in traffic. By the way, she’s unaffiliated. I just can’t fathom how these intellectually elite were completely unaware of the dangers of meandering onto an interstate (in the dark, nonetheless).
“Change!”, is all I ever hear. Sh#t. I remember when I needed change and jammed a buck into the machine.
Nothing happened.
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