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For you guys who may know about this type of letter and wording does this statement :
The purpose of this letter and its enclosure is to provide the University of North
Carolina, Chapel Hill, with an amended notice of allegations. Please note that the
policies and procedures outlined in the May 20, 2015, notice of allegations and
corresponding cover letter still apply.Click to access NOA_Amended_042516_NorthCarolina.pdf
mean that this is in addition too the already given allegations. So is this one added to the other one or does this one wipe out the other one and replaces it.
Fresh,
I believe it replaces. Amended means fixed. Also they are the same charges with most of the real bad stuff removed.Amended NOA means changed NOA. Policies & Procedures are not a NOA.
New NOA also states the infractions occur to “at least Fall 2005″… incredible timeline there wouldn’t you say?
I’m actually impressed how the new NOA is actually even less sever. How did they manage that? UNC is *almost* as powerful as the LGBT community.
Hate to say it, but told ya so.
And I believe we were called names for our justifiable skepticism. I won’t be holding my breath for any apologies.
I think we can disregard some claims to have ‘sources’.Just a tad premature, bigga boy. COI hasn’t met, and I’d like to know what name “we” were called. Maybe you could pull up that post?
At least 2 others saw it.
From what I read here Rick is correct:
“The NCAA didn’t just revise the notice of allegations against North Carolina during the eight-month intermission in this interminable process. Between August and April, the NCAA somehow revised its entire approach to the scandal.
Out went the broad allegations of impermissible academic assistance that included football and men’s basketball, among other sports. In its place, the revised NOA received from the NCAA on Monday takes a far narrower reading of NCAA bylaws, one that instead drops a sledgehammer on the women’s basketball program and that program alone.”
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article73829487.html#storylink=cpy
Here’s your next question, Rick…or whoever can answer it for me: Why has every coach, AD, and dean across the country got their head in the sand (or somewhere else)? Surely there’s a few that feel their program could withstand a retaliatory investigation by the ncaa. Shouldn’t there be a tremendous uprising of outcry and protest???!!!
If you add one comma to the “crucial line”, does this change the meaning for you guys to mean “the original still applies”. This is totally illogical to me to believe that all of the other stuff went away.
The Pack Pride group is like a bunch of rats jumping off a sinking ship. If we’ve been duped this bad, I’m even more pissed now!
"Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!
Just a tad premature, bigga boy. COI hasn’t met, and I’d like to know what name “we” were called. Maybe you could pull up that post?
At least 2 others saw it.
Somewhere the ghost of Orson Welles is laughing his ass off.
If it was in addition to the original NOA then why would they basically list the same ones twice? That doesn’t make sense. To me the amended NOA means the “changed” NOA.
If this is as everyone seems to believe, the Holes really did “bring down the NCAA”. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine spending another dime on college athletics, watching it, or wasting my time frustrated with it. And since the NCAA is our University and College chancellors and presidents, they can all “kiss my grits”!
I haven’t jumped off the Titanic yet and hope to get to laugh at those who have…
"Whomp 'em, Up, Side the Head"!
I mean, the LOIC is still there… 5 sev 1 infractions is nothing to scoff at, but new time frame set forth in the amended NOA (Fall of 2005 and after) likely means the banners stay up.
For certain the 2005 banner is fraudulent. Anyone paying attention to this story over the past several years knows 100% this to be true.
Alias,
They removed all reference to football and MBB. They are pinning it on wbb. Nothing significant is going to happen.I agree on this taking down the NCAA. Any school ever punished week sue. I don’t understand went they did it though.
lol i’m reading packpride for the first time in years.. they’re suggesting to quit playing UNC in all sports all together to setting up our own fake classes to compete.. and they are serious.
I can’t decide if they’re mentally ill or geniuses.
The new lineup from the NCAA is indeed gentler, and, astonishingly, nothing new. Not a thing. As Rick says, nothing on football or basketball. The beat goes on. We wait and wait and wait. But do yourself a service, stop waiting for crying out loud. If you are expecting anything significant from the COI, you’ve got your head in the sand and have completely misread the entire episode. I will repeat – nothing of real significance will come of this now 6 year circus. Mine as well come to terms with it.
“[It’s] hard to penalize somebody when you have no allegations against them,” Williams said.
from the article:
“Magically, the words “impermissible benefits,” “football” and “men’s basketball” no longer appear in the documents.”
I stopped reading there. Too big to fail.
Given this is from a presser by the accused I’ll wait a bit before deciding they will not suffer serious harm. Maybe they will not or maybe they will but we won’t known until after the next basketball season in my opinion.
Maybe they will not or maybe they will but we won’t known until after the next basketball season in my opinion.
Yep, going to be a good long while before we know for sure. All those WBB fans are going to have their panties in a wad…
I don’t know why anyone expected the NCAA to do much considering they are co-defendants in a lawsuit with UNC-CHeat. How can the NCAA punish UNC for academic “impermissible benefits” without opening the door for more athletes to sue them? The entire athletic department has been hit with LOIC, that is severe. I know old timers like me want revenge for what the UNC a-holes on the BOG and in the media did to our program years ago, but you also got to remember the NCAA did very little to us. I don’t fault the NCAA, I do fault the BOG, and that is where my anger and focus as been directed since this started. I am happy that UNC got tagged by the NCAA, and I live in peace knowing their alumni fan base lives in shame of what happened, their image is tarnished as long as Roy Williams coaches, and every kid that puts on the UNC uniform is well aware he/she wears the logo of a cheater!
I live in peace knowing their alumni fan base lives in shame of what happened, their image is tarnished as long as Roy Williams coaches, and every kid that puts on the UNC uniform is well aware he/she wears the logo of a cheater!
You are kidding right? No one cares but NCSU fans. This will be forgotten in no time.
Frankly at this point collegiate sports are a joke. Any school that does not set up a fake degree to keep their athletes eligible will fall behind.The Constitution has been amended. And I can still own a gun.
That said, nothing has changed my view that UNC is probably going to skate, for the most part.
I don’t know why anyone expected the NCAA to do much considering they are co-defendants in a lawsuit with UNC-CHeat. How can the NCAA punish UNC for academic “impermissible benefits” without opening the door for more athletes to sue them? The entire athletic department has been hit with LOIC, that is severe. I know old timers like me want revenge for what the UNC a-holes on the BOG and in the media did to our program years ago, but you also got to remember the NCAA did very little to us. I don’t fault the NCAA, I do fault the BOG, and that is where my anger and focus as been directed since this started. I am happy that UNC got tagged by the NCAA, and I live in peace knowing their alumni fan base lives in shame of what happened, their image is tarnished as long as Roy Williams coaches, and every kid that puts on the UNC uniform is well aware he/she wears the logo of a cheater!
You’re kidding, right? I’m an old timer too, and the reason the ncaa didn’t take steps against us is that we self-sanctioned with penalties more severe than necessary, even when the ncaa found that we were clean. That would never happen in the land of the cheaters, in fact, they will fight to the death even when they know themselves that they are a corrupt cheating bunch of ****heads. I fault the NCAA, the BOG, the SAC, and all universities who have been complicit by being quiet while the integrity of college sports is being systematically dismantled by this kind of fraud and cheating. Who besides the cheaters’ fans wants to watch that crap!?
^Rick: I fear you are right.
Some are pointing out that the ANOA still references LOIC for all athletics, but I can’t help but see this as a colossal fail for college athletics. In the cold light of day, everything else still feels like grasping at straws.
I am astonished still that the NCAA backed so far away from the original NOA and from the information that has emerged since it was released. I cannot in any way reconcile their new position with their espoused defense in the current litigation. They are hanging by the “students first” thread, and UNC was their opportunity to walk the walk and talk the talk. Their utter abandonment is baffling. Any lawyers still on the board who see something I don’t?
As theCOWDOG has pointed out, the COI hasn’t met and the penalties haven’t been announced. None of us really knows anything. But from my position, my expectations took a beating yesterday.
Back to Rick’s point: if the NCAA’s UNC ruling moves strongly toward the “wrist slap” end of the spectrum, most programs will be faced with an ethical dilemma: (1) Do we want to continue to work ethically, treating our SA’s with respect, and helping them take advantage of the privilege of attending and the opportunity to get a degree? or (2) do we want to compete? In my mind, these objectives are closer than ever this morning to mutual exclusivity.
I’ve thought for a long time that UNC men’s basketball was going to skate. The timing of everything was just too coincidental. What little hope I had was completely dashed when I heard the announcers during the Final Four with the talking points, as clearly handed out by the NCAA.
If I were any other school that had gotten sanctions by the NCAA, I’d be suing right now. The only reason that USC or Penn State would not though would be if this were paired with the rumored “Power 5 break away” that gives the biggest schools autonomy from the NCAA, and the ability to further their professional minor league sports in order to take in TV revenue. If USC and Penn State don’t sue, then expect to see the Power 5 announcement within the next ~ 9 months.
Big time D1 college athletics have been headed in the wrong direction for the past 15-20 years. Letting UNC skate is just another of a continuing trend.
The NCAA and the colleges better watch out because they’re about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. They’re protected right now due to those multi-year TV deals, but this landscape is drastically changing. I’ve cut my cord, won’t be going back, and won’t be paying for any sort of sports bundle either. Turn off enough customers with decisions like this, and it will be done.
And the PackPride posters do have the right idea. NC State should just cancel series with UNC. Just forfeit the games and don’t even play them. That’d be making a real STATEment.
The only way for the University to wake up is if they’re hit in the wallet. NC State fans have been complete suckers for years giving WPC dues, LTR payments, gobbling up season tickets, etc. which effectively just supports the status quo. If people want some change, the big money donors need to pull back (which has been rumored) and the rank and file need to walk out the door (in a way that makes it clear there won’t be a next generation of big money donors).
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